Why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions?

[Dovahkiin]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Real conservatism is being replaced by something far worse.. protectionism..

What is wrong with protectionism?

Anti free trade... harms the global economy.

 

[bripat9643]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

When did opening borders to unlimited immigration ever have anything to do with conservatism? That may benefit the immigrants, but it doesn't benefit us. Labor should be free to move within the country, but not into the country.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Naïve, sophomoric reactionaryism is not a ‘value’ – it’s being simplistic and ignorant.

And most on the right support immigration restrictions because of fear and bigotry, the nativism common to most conservatives.

 

[bripat9643]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

----------------------------------- I think , hope that Conservatism is being redefined . I've said it before and sounds like Trump is saying it now . Conservatism may be redefined to mean America and Americans First Rabbi !!

America First is not conservatism but fascism.

Bullshit. It's common sense. Why should any American place the welfare of foreigners over his own?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Because like I said, they are in essence not the antithesis of "conservative values." What you're suggesting is a more liberal approach to immigration, jobs, and trade. Hate to break it to you, but that's not conservative.

You're suggesting that we dispense with American exceptionalism in order to adhere to "basic conservative values."

 

[Muhammed]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Real conservatism is being replaced by something far worse.. protectionism..

What is wrong with protectionism?

Anti free trade... harms the global economy.

Bullshit.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Conservatives understand that free movement of labor and capital is not what is happening.
Nor are we experiencing immigration. Our borders have been removed. We now have a tsunami of nonAmericans taking our jobs and incomes. These people are not here to become Americans. They are here to usurp America.

And this would be an example of that fear, ignorance, and bigotry – along with the propensity of most on the right to lie.

 

[TooTall]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Most conservatives I know support legal immigration.

 

[leftwinger]

Fair Trade is not what we have. Everything in SK is made by LG Samsung or Hyundai. No American cars on the road, even the elevators are not Otis. No John Deere, no Caterpillar in sight. Yet they dump here.

Proton cars all over Malaysia. $30K Tax for American or BMW.

Fair trade, right?

 

[bripat9643]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Naïve, sophomoric reactionaryism is not a ‘value’ – it’s being simplistic and ignorant.

And most on the right support immigration restrictions because of fear and bigotry, the nativism common to most conservatives.

Being replaced by foreign labor is something you should be afraid of. I fail to see anything admirable about ignoring issues that are extremely harmful. That's the sign of an imbecile.

 

[bripat9643]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Because immigration is changing the lives of Americans, that's why.

Immigrants are lowering our wages in this country, they are taking American jobs that Americans should have, they are changing us to a bilingual country because they come here without knowing the language and expect us to cater to them instead of the other way around. They are earning American dollars here and sending it back over the border to spend over there.

Wages are a supply and demand process. The lower the supply and higher the demand, prices go up. The higher the supply and lower demand, prices go down.

We can't increase our wages when we have an endless supply of workers coming into this country.

Immigrants are "lowering wages" in the range of less then a dollar.
Immigrants are filling jobs that businesses can't fill from the domestic labor poor. This includes many high skilled jobs.
They don't expect us to know the language. It's nice to know spanish though, for employment reasons.
So what if they earn dollars?
Prices have gone down in regards to wages if we use that example thanks to capital taking over labor.

Total fucking bullshit. Employers could easily fill them if they raised the wages they paid or they were willing to pay for training. Employers always prefer the cheaper course of action, so of course they claim they have to import labor.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Protectionism is economic patriotism.

 

[TemplarKormac]

This is a good thing, since "balancing the budget" is lunacy anyways.

And I bet you're the type who liked to ride a see-saw with only one person. Balance is a good thing.

 

[Dovahkiin]

This is a good thing, since "balancing the budget" is lunacy anyways.

And I bet you're the type who liked to ride a see-saw with only one person. Balance is a good thing.

No, it's really not.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

----------------------------------- I think , hope that Conservatism is being redefined . I've said it before and sounds like Trump is saying it now . Conservatism may be redefined to mean America and Americans First Rabbi !!

America First is not conservatism but fascism.

Oh? What's wrong with American exceptionalism?

 

[The Rabbi]

"Real" conservatism isn't laissez-faire capitalism and never has been. Conservatism is about the preservation of existing societal institutions and authorities against change; protecting our borders and limiting trade reduces our exposure to foreign people and foreign ideas that would lead to change.

That isnt conservatism in the modern sense. That is conservatism in the European sense.

 

[The Rabbi]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Because immigration is changing the lives of Americans, that's why.

Immigrants are lowering our wages in this country, they are taking American jobs that Americans should have, they are changing us to a bilingual country because they come here without knowing the language and expect us to cater to them instead of the other way around. They are earning American dollars here and sending it back over the border to spend over there.

Wages are a supply and demand process. The lower the supply and higher the demand, prices go up. The higher the supply and lower demand, prices go down.

We can't increase our wages when we have an endless supply of workers coming into this country.

They arent doing any of those things.
The reason this is an issue is because we have the worst economy since WW2. If businesses were being formed, expanding, and hiring at normal rates no one would notice immigration.

They aren't doing any of those things? So what you're telling me is that when I went to vote in the primary, I wasn't handed an English/Spanish ballot? All the signs on the tables and doors were written in English only? You mean to tell me I don't have to press 1 to speak to a representative in our language? None of that is happening?

Yes, they are keeping our wages lower because employers can hire them over us because they are willing to work for less money. Without them, employers that couldn't' find American employees would have to make a better offer to attract workers. I see it in my industry daily.

They are not sending our money back over the border? What do you think work Visas are?

I didnt see any Spanish language notices the last time I voted.
Employers cannot hire illegals over legal citizens.
If you do not support employers' rights to hire whomever they want at whatever wage they can agree on then you are not a conservative. You are a statist.

 

[The Rabbi]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

When did opening borders to unlimited immigration ever have anything to do with conservatism? That may benefit the immigrants, but it doesn't benefit us. Labor should be free to move within the country, but not into the country.

Free movement of labor and capital. Which part of that is confusing to you? Free movement means free movement, regardless of borders.

 

[TemplarKormac]

This is a good thing, since "balancing the budget" is lunacy anyways.

And I bet you're the type who liked to ride a see-saw with only one person. Balance is a good thing.

No, it's really not.

What am I supposed to glean from that chart, exactly?

 

[Dr Grump]

What is wrong with protectionism?

Ask american exporters...