Why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions?

[The Rabbi]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Conservatives understand that free movement of labor and capital is not what is happening.
Nor are we experiencing immigration. Our borders have been removed. We now have a tsunami of nonAmericans taking our jobs and incomes. These people are not here to become Americans. They are here to usurp America.

 

[Dovahkiin]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Real conservatism is being replaced by something far worse.. protectionism..

 

[pismoe]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

----------------------------------- I think , hope that Conservatism is being redefined . I've said it before and sounds like Trump is saying it now . Conservatism may be redefined to mean America and Americans First Rabbi !!

 

[The Rabbi]

Conservatives understand that free movement of labor and capital is not what is happening.
Nor are we experiencing immigration. Our borders have been removed. We now have a tsunami of nonAmericans taking our jobs and incomes. These people are not here to become Americans. They are here to usurp America.

That is completely false. We still have borders. Try going to Canada or Mexico and coming back without iD. No one is taking anything from you. No one is here to usurp anything.

 

[The Rabbi]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

----------------------------------- I think , hope that Conservatism is being redefined . I've said it before and sounds like Trump is saying it now . Conservatism may be redefined to mean America and Americans First Rabbi !!

America First is not conservatism but fascism.

 

[Dovahkiin]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

----------------------------------- I think , hope that Conservatism is being redefined . I've said it before and sounds like Trump is saying it now . Conservatism may be redefined to mean America and Americans First Rabbi !!

America First is not conservatism but fascism.

"Germany first! These damn "others" are ruining german culture! Glory to the german state!"

 

[2aguy]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

They support legal immigration and Trump has stated he supports legal immigration.....he has also stated he wants to make better trade deals with foriegn countries and as an experienced negotiator he has thrown out the idea of tarrifs....as a bargaining chip...........

Conservatives who support Trump do so because they have supported Republican "conservatives" who have failed to stand up to obama on obamacare, immigration and budget increases.....Trump says he will take on these issues....so having been betrayed by those who claim they are conservatives with conservative principals, they will now give Trump a chance...partly to show the Republican "conservatives" that there is a price to pay for lying....and partly because they believe Trump will actually fight the lefties.....

 

[Dovahkiin]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

They support legal immigration and Trump has stated he supports legal immigration.....he has also stated he wants to make better trade deals with foriegn countries and as an experienced negotiator he has thrown out the idea of tarrifs....as a bargaining chip...........

Conservatives who support Trump do so because they have supported Republican "conservatives" who have failed to stand up to obama on obamacare, immigration and budget increases.....Trump says he will take on these issues....so having been betrayed by those who claim they are conservatives with conservative principals, they will now give Trump a chance...partly to show the Republican "conservatives" that there is a price to pay for lying....and partly because they believe Trump will actually fight the lefties.....

Trump is not going to do anything to "balance the budget."
This is a good thing, since "balancing the budget" is lunacy anyways.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Because immigration is changing the lives of Americans, that's why.

Immigrants are lowering our wages in this country, they are taking American jobs that Americans should have, they are changing us to a bilingual country because they come here without knowing the language and expect us to cater to them instead of the other way around. They are earning American dollars here and sending it back over the border to spend over there.

Wages are a supply and demand process. The lower the supply and higher the demand, prices go up. The higher the supply and lower demand, prices go down.

We can't increase our wages when we have an endless supply of workers coming into this country.

 

[Dovahkiin]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Because immigration is changing the lives of Americans, that's why.

Immigrants are lowering our wages in this country, they are taking American jobs that Americans should have, they are changing us to a bilingual country because they come here without knowing the language and expect us to cater to them instead of the other way around. They are earning American dollars here and sending it back over the border to spend over there.

Wages are a supply and demand process. The lower the supply and higher the demand, prices go up. The higher the supply and lower demand, prices go down.

We can't increase our wages when we have an endless supply of workers coming into this country.

Immigrants are "lowering wages" in the range of less then a dollar.
Immigrants are filling jobs that businesses can't fill from the domestic labor poor. This includes many high skilled jobs.
They don't expect us to know the language. It's nice to know spanish though, for employment reasons.
So what if they earn dollars?
Prices have gone down in regards to wages if we use that example thanks to capital taking over labor.

 

[The Rabbi]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

They support legal immigration and Trump has stated he supports legal immigration.....he has also stated he wants to make better trade deals with foriegn countries and as an experienced negotiator he has thrown out the idea of tarrifs....as a bargaining chip...........

Conservatives who support Trump do so because they have supported Republican "conservatives" who have failed to stand up to obama on obamacare, immigration and budget increases.....Trump says he will take on these issues....so having been betrayed by those who claim they are conservatives with conservative principals, they will now give Trump a chance...partly to show the Republican "conservatives" that there is a price to pay for lying....and partly because they believe Trump will actually fight the lefties.....

So we should change immigration laws to make it easier to immigrate here, not try to enforce a failed system. actually open borders would be the real conservative principle.

 

[The Rabbi]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Because immigration is changing the lives of Americans, that's why.

Immigrants are lowering our wages in this country, they are taking American jobs that Americans should have, they are changing us to a bilingual country because they come here without knowing the language and expect us to cater to them instead of the other way around. They are earning American dollars here and sending it back over the border to spend over there.

Wages are a supply and demand process. The lower the supply and higher the demand, prices go up. The higher the supply and lower demand, prices go down.

We can't increase our wages when we have an endless supply of workers coming into this country.

They arent doing any of those things.
The reason this is an issue is because we have the worst economy since WW2. If businesses were being formed, expanding, and hiring at normal rates no one would notice immigration.

 

[Dovahkiin]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Because immigration is changing the lives of Americans, that's why.

Immigrants are lowering our wages in this country, they are taking American jobs that Americans should have, they are changing us to a bilingual country because they come here without knowing the language and expect us to cater to them instead of the other way around. They are earning American dollars here and sending it back over the border to spend over there.

Wages are a supply and demand process. The lower the supply and higher the demand, prices go up. The higher the supply and lower demand, prices go down.

We can't increase our wages when we have an endless supply of workers coming into this country.

They arent doing any of those things.
The reason this is an issue is because we have the worst economy since WW2. If businesses were being formed, expanding, and hiring at normal rates no one would notice immigration.

Correct, we need to find a way to increase demand which will in turn lead to business expansion.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Conservatives don't support immigration restrictions.

 

[FaerieGodfather]

"Real" conservatism isn't laissez-faire capitalism and never has been. Conservatism is about the preservation of existing societal institutions and authorities against change; protecting our borders and limiting trade reduces our exposure to foreign people and foreign ideas that would lead to change.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital.

No it isn't. Three reasons:

1) Free movement in the context of immigration assumes that everyone coming here is coming here legally, and that as a result we should welcome them with open arms. That runs contrary to the existing conservative values. An open border policy is a direct contradiction to one of the core pillars conservative values. Deny it all you like... but that is the message the title of your OP is implying, furthermore;

2) Free movement of capital assumes that we are supposed to accept trade deals freely and without question. That can't happen. You should make deals that protect and ensure the free movement of capital and protects the existing labor force without making sacrifices or compromises along the way, your support for no trade restrictions only ensures that bad deals will be made and accepted, and;

3) Free movement of labor assumes the same thing as the first example, and assumes these "legal" immigrants aren't sucking jobs away from other Americans. This runs contrary to the free movement of capital by giving preference to foreign labor over American labor.

"Free movement" is such a blanket term, it is also a very dangerous term to flout about as far as conservative values go. It doesn't always mean what you think it means.

People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want

People, in this instance, should feel free to naturalize themselves before they start offering labor to any employer, to wit, employers should not be allowed to hire every Julio, Jose, and Juanita that comes through his door, simply because Julio, Jose, and Juanita might be illegal immigrants. There should be punishments for illegal immigration, and it should start at the employment application process---oh wait, I thought that was what E-Verify was for.

This leads me to ask:

Who are you and what have you done with the real Rabbi? This doesn't sound like you at all.

 

[Muhammed]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Real conservatism is being replaced by something far worse.. protectionism..

What is wrong with protectionism?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The basic value of conservatism is free movement of labor and capital. People are free to offer their labor to employers, employers are free to hire whom they want, consumers are free to buy what they want and sellers are free to sell what they want.
Given that why do conservatives support immigration and trade restrictions when those things are the antithesis of basic conservatives values?

Because immigration is changing the lives of Americans, that's why.

Immigrants are lowering our wages in this country, they are taking American jobs that Americans should have, they are changing us to a bilingual country because they come here without knowing the language and expect us to cater to them instead of the other way around. They are earning American dollars here and sending it back over the border to spend over there.

Wages are a supply and demand process. The lower the supply and higher the demand, prices go up. The higher the supply and lower demand, prices go down.

We can't increase our wages when we have an endless supply of workers coming into this country.

They arent doing any of those things.
The reason this is an issue is because we have the worst economy since WW2. If businesses were being formed, expanding, and hiring at normal rates no one would notice immigration.

They aren't doing any of those things? So what you're telling me is that when I went to vote in the primary, I wasn't handed an English/Spanish ballot? All the signs on the tables and doors were written in English only? You mean to tell me I don't have to press 1 to speak to a representative in our language? None of that is happening?

Yes, they are keeping our wages lower because employers can hire them over us because they are willing to work for less money. Without them, employers that couldn't' find American employees would have to make a better offer to attract workers. I see it in my industry daily.

They are not sending our money back over the border? What do you think work Visas are?

 

[ScienceRocks]

The republican party during the late 19th century into the early 20th century based most of their platform on restricting immigration and tariffs in trade. Of course, the op has the education of a 3rd grader so I wouldn't expect him to understand history.

we're being fucked by China, Mexico and the rest of the world. Of course you don't give a damn.