Why did US government create mess in Iraq and the middle east?

[rdean]

Here's my feeble take on Iraq.

Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. As a result of the billionaire Arab Shieks (and their oil money) being in jeopardy, the United States put together a coalition of countries that had a vested interest in Saudi Oil and they ran Hussein back into Iraq.

The UN voted on sanctions against Hussein (to include a no fly zone) which Hussein immediately ignored. He attacked coalition planes with missiles on numerous occasions (in spite of warnings). At some point (I do NOT recall the date) - Saddam attempted to have George H W Bush assassinated and failed.

After a change in administration to Bush the younger, nothing changed. Hussein was warned repeatedly, by coalition members, the US and the UN, NOT to continue violations of the no fly zone - which he ignored. Around this time, it was brought to life that Hussein had used NBC weapons on his own people.

Finally, the attacks on the World Trade Center happened and the rest is history. Regardless of the fact that the attackers did not come from Iraq, Bush used Iraq as an excuse to invade that country after the world's Intelligence agencies (as well as the US CIA, DIA) briefed coalition forces as well as the UN and the Congress and advised them that Hussein's NBC capabilities could be used as weapons of mass destruction. Unknown to the majority of people involved, Hussein had already moved his chemical weapons into Syria for safe keeping.

Most of both Houses (Bipartisan) agreed that it was time to act and they did.

Thousands of young men and women were sent to war. Some of them did not come home. Some of them came home mortally wounded in battles to capture different cities. Thousands more were sent to Afghanistan in a feeble attempt to rout the Taliban and hunt down Osama Bin Laden. Many were killed or maimed and are STILL being killed and maimed today.

As a veteran of combat in Vietnam - and having endured "coming home" to a country that hated that war and the young men that fought there, I know what it feels like to NOT be the victor. I know EXACTLY what it is like to attack repeatedly to gain ground only to walk away from it.

To all these young men and women (regardless of party) who fought like warriors, and to those who, unfortunately never came home, and to those who left arms and legs in the sand in a fruitless waste of time, money and manpower - I SALUTE you! God Bless you, from the bottom of my heart. Those who have seen death at a young age in such gruesome ways in combat are the best the country has to offer and should never leave the battlefield without final victory.

To the politicians, both Republicans, Independents and Democrats who so callously sent these young men and women into harms way, only to tie their collective hands behind their backs (as in Vietnam) - rather than allow them to bring their enemy to it's knees - God Damn you. God Damn you to hell.

There. That's MY take. No politics, no bullshit.

Nice "take", but not exactly what happened.

Saddam did indeed invade Kuwait. Bin Laden wanted to put together a coalition of Arab States to drive Saddam out of Kuwait. But countries like Saudi Arabia called on the US which has the biggest military on earth and because both countries had signed peace treaties and agreements. It was the duty of the US to drive Saddam from Kuwait. I never had a problem with it. And Bush Sr. was smart. He pushed Saddam back to the border and stopped. That way, we didn't have to pay to fix Iraq. See? When you sign agreements you have to honor them. It's your duty.

So what pissed off Bin Laden? He felt that it was sacrilege for infidels (US) to kill Muslims on Islamic Holy Lands. And he was pissed his Arab friends turned away from his help to ask for aid from the west. But the US did what it was supposed to do. So Bin Laden got pissed. That was his problem. And we he attacked, he deserved to be killed.

But the Republicans totally screwed that up.

The difference between Bush 1 and Bush 2. Bush 1 at barely 20 was a WWII fighter pilot who saw action. His life was as a public servant. He was an Officer, Head of the CIA, Vice President and President.

Bush 2 was in the champagne unit of the National Guard (called that because it was filled with the athletes and the children of the "elite"). He spent Vietnam passed out under a bar stool. A rich kid with the worse case of rich kid "I'm special so the rules don't apply to me" that I've ever seen since Mitt Romney.

When Bush 2 invaded Iraq, in one fell swoop, he ruined our foreign policy, added trillions to the deficit, got rid of the one country that kept Iran in check

I'm too tired to write any more, but at least that's the beginning of what happened. And why Bin Laden hated us. How do I know? He told us. Just like he told us he was going to attack before 9/11. It's required to give warning according to his religion.

bin Laden declared his jihad against America way back in '96. Care to guess who was in office back then?

I was amused by your comment about bin Laden wanting a coalition of Arab States to drive Saddam out. Why would a man who turned his back on his own country to lead a non-state terrorist group suddenly turn back to the geo-political nation-state construct? bin Laden wanted to establish a Caliphate on the corpses of these same states. He wanted to get together his jihadi buddies for a throw down, but it is intellectually dishonest to suggest he wanted anything to do with any recognized Arab state.

Incidentally, we never left Iraq after the first Gulf War. It was continued by Operations Northern & Southern Watch.

Amused by the "truth"???? That in and of itself is "quite amusing".

Profile: Osama bin Laden - Council on Foreign Relations

it was the Gulf crisis that crystallized his hatred. When Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, bin Laden wanted Arab veterans of the Afghan war to help the Saudi army defend Saudi Arabia. He saw the arrival of American troops to confront Saddam—and the continued U.S. military presence in the Gulf after the war—as a violation of the sanctity of Muslim territory.

 

[Steinlight]

What the fuck are you talking about. Obama never wanted to go into Iraq and he took out Bin Laden after Republicans let Bin Laden go. Obama was given a huge bucket of shit and Republicans have done everything they can to make sure he's stuck with that shit.

And look at Syria. Republicans screaming to arm the cannibals. Obama has wisely stepped back.

Not only are you a sick individual that supports Obama's war crimes in Syria, you lie about it. Obama's support of radical islamist has now come home to roost in the form of a failed Iraqi state.

CIA begins weapons delivery to Syrian rebels - The Washington Post

Syrian rebels seen firing U.S.-made weapons raises questions - TIME

US reportedly starts supplying Syrian rebels with anti-tank weapons ? RT USA

U.S., Britain suspend aid to north Syria after Islamists seize weapons store | Reuters


The Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria: Two Arab countries fall apart | The Economist

U.S. providing some lethal aid to Syrian rebels: opposition spokesman | Reuters

» Susan Rice Admits U.S. Giving Arms to Al-Qaeda in Syria Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

How do you live with supporting such a piece of shit arrogant neo-liberal with no regard for the consequences of his actions?

Really no difference between you an the neo-cons.Both of your lots are enemies of humanity.

May I ask why you are such a terrible person? Why do you support such evil people?

I go to one of your links and it says, "Obama is running human trafficking". Really?

Which link? And how does another article you dont like disprove the content of the article I cited or all the other links I provided not only in that post but through out this forum.

Here are more articles driving my point home.
The US Is Arming Jihadists In Syria - Business Insider
CIA Weapons Going To Jihadists in Syria - Business Insider
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/w...rms-sent-to-syrian-rebels.html?pagewanted=all

You are a deliberately ignorant person that keeps their head in the sand. Now Obama's aggression and war crimes in Syria are coming back in the form of blowback with ISIS overrunning Iraq. Obama has blood on his hands, just like Bush and Co for their crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You are an incredibly low a intellectually dishonest person with no moral compass, who doesn't care about the suffering of people in Syria or Iraq, or you would be condemning Obama for his role in the madness.

Again, how do you live with yourself? I would be curious to know.

 

[Sunni Man]

The fact that we get any oil from misogynist countries is disgusting.

Are you a lezbo or just a typical fem-nazi?? .

 

[Steinlight]

The fact that we get any oil from misogynist countries is disgusting.

Are you a lezbo or just a typical fem-nazi?? .

Yea she sounds like a waste of space a typical neo-liberal imperialist that justifies aggression in cutsey terms like feminism, "gay rights" and "democracy".

Unfortunately your people have bear the brunt of the mongering nation building liberals and neo-cons for years. For that you have my condolences, and it wasn't in my name. A tiny minority controls our foreign policy interests, not the American people.

 

[Sunni Man]

The fact that we get any oil from misogynist countries is disgusting.

Are you a lezbo or just a typical fem-nazi?? .

Yea she sounds like a waste of space a typical neo-liberal imperialist that justifies aggression in cutsey terms like feminism, "gay rights" and "democracy".

Unfortunately your people have bear the brunt of the mongering nation building liberals and neo-cons for years. For that you have my condolences, and it wasn't in my name. A tiny minority controls our foreign policy interests, not the American people.

Well said.....and sadly, so true. ..

 

[tinydancer]

Are you a lezbo or just a typical fem-nazi?? .

Yea she sounds like a waste of space a typical neo-liberal imperialist that justifies aggression in cutsey terms like feminism, "gay rights" and "democracy".

Unfortunately your people have bear the brunt of the mongering nation building liberals and neo-cons for years. For that you have my condolences, and it wasn't in my name. A tiny minority controls our foreign policy interests, not the American people.

Well said.....and sadly, so true. ..

It's sad. People east and west do not understand the territory we are talking about. Sigh. We are talking the cradle of civilization when we are talking Iraq. Some days I have no words.

Consequently they make light of ancient conflicts that will not be resolved tomorrow.

Obama has blown America's chance to in this day and age heal wounds and put Iraq on a sensible path of three countries. I wish someone would condemn the past. Not Bush. Way before. When the bloody stupid League of Nations created a country out of mid air.

 

[KGB]

Nice "take", but not exactly what happened.

Saddam did indeed invade Kuwait. Bin Laden wanted to put together a coalition of Arab States to drive Saddam out of Kuwait. But countries like Saudi Arabia called on the US which has the biggest military on earth and because both countries had signed peace treaties and agreements. It was the duty of the US to drive Saddam from Kuwait. I never had a problem with it. And Bush Sr. was smart. He pushed Saddam back to the border and stopped. That way, we didn't have to pay to fix Iraq. See? When you sign agreements you have to honor them. It's your duty.

So what pissed off Bin Laden? He felt that it was sacrilege for infidels (US) to kill Muslims on Islamic Holy Lands. And he was pissed his Arab friends turned away from his help to ask for aid from the west. But the US did what it was supposed to do. So Bin Laden got pissed. That was his problem. And we he attacked, he deserved to be killed.

But the Republicans totally screwed that up.

The difference between Bush 1 and Bush 2. Bush 1 at barely 20 was a WWII fighter pilot who saw action. His life was as a public servant. He was an Officer, Head of the CIA, Vice President and President.

Bush 2 was in the champagne unit of the National Guard (called that because it was filled with the athletes and the children of the "elite"). He spent Vietnam passed out under a bar stool. A rich kid with the worse case of rich kid "I'm special so the rules don't apply to me" that I've ever seen since Mitt Romney.

When Bush 2 invaded Iraq, in one fell swoop, he ruined our foreign policy, added trillions to the deficit, got rid of the one country that kept Iran in check

I'm too tired to write any more, but at least that's the beginning of what happened. And why Bin Laden hated us. How do I know? He told us. Just like he told us he was going to attack before 9/11. It's required to give warning according to his religion.

bin Laden declared his jihad against America way back in '96. Care to guess who was in office back then?

I was amused by your comment about bin Laden wanting a coalition of Arab States to drive Saddam out. Why would a man who turned his back on his own country to lead a non-state terrorist group suddenly turn back to the geo-political nation-state construct? bin Laden wanted to establish a Caliphate on the corpses of these same states. He wanted to get together his jihadi buddies for a throw down, but it is intellectually dishonest to suggest he wanted anything to do with any recognized Arab state.

Incidentally, we never left Iraq after the first Gulf War. It was continued by Operations Northern & Southern Watch.

Amused by the "truth"???? That in and of itself is "quite amusing".

Profile: Osama bin Laden - Council on Foreign Relations

it was the Gulf crisis that crystallized his hatred. When Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, bin Laden wanted Arab veterans of the Afghan war to help the Saudi army defend Saudi Arabia. He saw the arrival of American troops to confront Saddam—and the continued U.S. military presence in the Gulf after the war—as a violation of the sanctity of Muslim territory.

At what point did I state otherwise? I am well aware the first Gulf war drove bin Laden against us. However the fatwa didn't occur until 1996. Also, you incorrectly stated that bin Laden was trying to build a coalition of Arab states to drive Saddam out. That never happened, I called you on it & then you restated what I already told you....

And again the first Gulf War never really ended as both Operations Northern & Southern Watch were in effect between both Gulf Wars.

 

[Wildman]

Simple question, maybe someone can explain. not interested about blaming bush, Hillary or Obama they are clearly a team of con artists that follow orders.

let me make it E - ZEE 4 U, O K ? http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...turn-iraq-over-to-al-qaeda-3.html#post9256454 post 106

 

[Billo_Really]

We created that mess for the same reason a dog licks' its balls.

 

[Political Junky]

Oil and those who profit from war ... Blackwater, K.B.R.-Halliburton, CACI and Titan.

Iraq for Sale: The War Profiteers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[rdean]

Not only are you a sick individual that supports Obama's war crimes in Syria, you lie about it. Obama's support of radical islamist has now come home to roost in the form of a failed Iraqi state.

CIA begins weapons delivery to Syrian rebels - The Washington Post

Syrian rebels seen firing U.S.-made weapons raises questions - TIME

US reportedly starts supplying Syrian rebels with anti-tank weapons ? RT USA

U.S., Britain suspend aid to north Syria after Islamists seize weapons store | Reuters


The Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria: Two Arab countries fall apart | The Economist

U.S. providing some lethal aid to Syrian rebels: opposition spokesman | Reuters

» Susan Rice Admits U.S. Giving Arms to Al-Qaeda in Syria Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

How do you live with supporting such a piece of shit arrogant neo-liberal with no regard for the consequences of his actions?

Really no difference between you an the neo-cons.Both of your lots are enemies of humanity.

May I ask why you are such a terrible person? Why do you support such evil people?

I go to one of your links and it says, "Obama is running human trafficking". Really?

Which link? And how does another article you dont like disprove the content of the article I cited or all the other links I provided not only in that post but through out this forum.

Here are more articles driving my point home.
The US Is Arming Jihadists In Syria - Business Insider
CIA Weapons Going To Jihadists in Syria - Business Insider
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/w...rms-sent-to-syrian-rebels.html?pagewanted=all

You are a deliberately ignorant person that keeps their head in the sand. Now Obama's aggression and war crimes in Syria are coming back in the form of blowback with ISIS overrunning Iraq. Obama has blood on his hands, just like Bush and Co for their crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You are an incredibly low a intellectually dishonest person with no moral compass, who doesn't care about the suffering of people in Syria or Iraq, or you would be condemning Obama for his role in the madness.

Again, how do you live with yourself? I would be curious to know.

Halfway down your info wars link was this video:



How these ignorant right wingers compare Bush to Obama is a mystery.

Republicans tore down the Sunni government in Iraq which was a block to Iran and put in place a Shiite government which is why Iraq is suddenly friends with Iran. HOW COULD THEY NOT KNOW THAT? Because they are ignorant fucks who think all Muslims are the same. They invaded Iraq and bullied the people without knowing anything about them. And by installing a Shiite government and disenfranchising the Sunni's, you cause them to join up with al Qaeda, which is also Sunni. Just to show how fucking stupid Republicans are, there is a video of Joe Leiberman telling John McCain that Iran was not helping al Qaeda and that they are enemies. McCain was so surprised. And this was years AFTER the Iraqi invasion. Even years after the Iraqi invasion, Republicans haven't learned anything. I don't believe they have the ability.

 

[pvsi]

Not only are you a sick individual that supports Obama's war crimes in Syria, you lie about it. Obama's support of radical islamist has now come home to roost in the form of a failed Iraqi state.

CIA begins weapons delivery to Syrian rebels - The Washington Post

Syrian rebels seen firing U.S.-made weapons raises questions - TIME

US reportedly starts supplying Syrian rebels with anti-tank weapons ? RT USA

U.S., Britain suspend aid to north Syria after Islamists seize weapons store | Reuters


The Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria: Two Arab countries fall apart | The Economist

U.S. providing some lethal aid to Syrian rebels: opposition spokesman | Reuters

» Susan Rice Admits U.S. Giving Arms to Al-Qaeda in Syria Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

How do you live with supporting such a piece of shit arrogant neo-liberal with no regard for the consequences of his actions?

Really no difference between you an the neo-cons.Both of your lots are enemies of humanity.

May I ask why you are such a terrible person? Why do you support such evil people?

I go to one of your links and it says, "Obama is running human trafficking". Really?

Which link? And how does another article you dont like disprove the content of the article I cited or all the other links I provided not only in that post but through out this forum.

Here are more articles driving my point home.
The US Is Arming Jihadists In Syria - Business Insider
CIA Weapons Going To Jihadists in Syria - Business Insider
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/w...rms-sent-to-syrian-rebels.html?pagewanted=all

You are a deliberately ignorant person that keeps their head in the sand. Now Obama's aggression and war crimes in Syria are coming back in the form of blowback with ISIS overrunning Iraq. Obama has blood on his hands, just like Bush and Co for their crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You are an incredibly low a intellectually dishonest person with no moral compass, who doesn't care about the suffering of people in Syria or Iraq, or you would be condemning Obama for his role in the madness.

Again, how do you live with yourself? I would be curious to know.

Google or Youtube also Saudi sends death row inmates to Syria. and Obama invites Saudi king to the white house. rdeans hypocrite who promised to the voters that he would MEET with Syrian leader to win elections in 2008 CNN debate

 

[pvsi]

Simple question, maybe someone can explain. not interested about blaming bush, Hillary or Obama they are clearly a team of con artists that follow orders.

let me make it E - ZEE 4 U, O K ? http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...turn-iraq-over-to-al-qaeda-3.html#post9256454 post 106

Because he is a puppet cockroach of international bankers, who like Bush probably could not even go to the bathroom without getting permission from his advisors first.

 

[pvsi]

Halfway down your info wars link was this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnUH5D7mwgE

How these ignorant right wingers compare Bush to Obama is a mystery.

You give a link of Alex Jones and you try to portray him as a right winger, how ignorant is that?

 

[Mr Natural]

9/11

Whether the reaction was right or wrong, who knows, but that was the trigger.

The Cheney/Bush team were cooking up an Iraq invasion long before they got elected.

9/11 was just a convenient excuse.

 

[Meathead]

Yeah, before American intervention the Middle East was a veritable paradise of happy prosperous people. FFS!

 

[Sunni Man]

Yeah, before American intervention the Middle East was a veritable paradise of happy prosperous people. FFS!

May not have been your idea of paradise.....but it was for them. ..

 

[Mr Natural]

Off topic here but someone explain to me the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Meathead]

Yeah, before American intervention the Middle East was a veritable paradise of happy prosperous people. FFS!

May not have been your idea of paradise.....but it was for them. ..

Well, if perpetual wars and poverty are paradise to them, then Bush did them a favor.

 

[sealybobo]

Simple question, maybe someone can explain. not interested about blaming bush, Hillary or Obama they are clearly a team of con artists that follow orders.

Simple answer. The government did it because corporations like Haloburton and Shell told them to. Corporations now own/run the USA.

Hey, I just thought of this. Look at the Republican voters now running to the bad old evil stupid GOVERNMENT to solve the problem in Iraq.

Hey Haloburton and Republicans. Iraq is your opportunity to show us how Libertarianism/Unregulated Capitalism works. Go fucking take over and fix Iraq. Show us what you god. Don't ask the US taxpayers to help. We pay too much taxes already, re fucking member? Douchbags.