Why did US government create mess in Iraq and the middle east?

[Harry Dresden]

The original post asked the question: Why did US government create mess in Iraq and the middle east?

I answered with the truth. You know Republicans knew nothing about Iraq or it's people when Bush invaded. And they didn't care. You know they didn't care.

The Taliban blew up 1700 year old statues. Because of ignorance and a refusal to have any interest in what destroying them would do to other people who revered them.

How is that different than Republicans? What they did to Iraq? Worse, 15 of the 16 terrorists were from Arabia.

what ancient statues did Republicans blow up?....

Moron. They blew up Iraq.

hey dipshit....this Country has blown up a lot of other countries....now what ancient statues did the Republicans PURPOSELY blow up just because.....like the Taliban did...

 

[kiwiman127]

The US has been involved in the ME for decades.
It all starts with the US's support of Israel. Continues with the US's hunger for oil. Back in 1953 the US was involved in the Iranian coup d'état, where a democratically elected leader of Iran was disposed of in favor of the Shan of Iran and western oil interests. The US has stuck it's nose in where it didn't belong in the ME.
And what is going on in Iraq was predicted by US intelligence before we invaded Iraq to dispose of Saddam. But we went ahead with one of the big blunder's in US history. Now we have to deal with the results of our actions.
Trying to pin the blame on just one US political ideology, it just plain ignorant. Historical facts destroy that approach every single time.

 

[BlindBoo]

Well it all started with the breakup of the Ottoman Empire after the end of WWI and the drawing arbitrary boarders for the Allies to exploit. Then of course they discovered Oil. So the Middle East has been fucked up for a long while. Looks like the breakup of the Iraqi State is leading to a regional war that could re-align some of the borders too.

Of course the US went isolationist after WWI but after we had to save the world from the Fascist a generation later we've stepped up our role in world affairs.

"Ancient History": U.S. Conduct in the Middle East Since World War II and the Folly of Intervention | Cato Institute

I don't believe Bush intended to start a regional war or even a Civil war in Iraq, he just took advice from the wrong people. Should have listened to his dad.

Reasons Not to Invade Iraq,

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Give me a list of wars the West wasn't involved in in the Middle East.

Fuck off. I made my point and you CANT refute it.

I just did.

You didn't refute anything. You offered a strawman.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Jihad: The Obama Legacy

 

[whitehall]

Oil. Despite the insane agenda by the Hussein administration to convert America to a windmill agrarian society we still need fossil fuel and we try to protect our sources. WW2 was fought over oil and we ultimately nuked Japan over it.

 

[KNB]

Since oil became important, US oil companies have been vying for Middle Eastern oil. The CIA coup in Iran in 1953 wasn't about spreading democracy. Iran had a democracy and it was overthrown with help from the CIA. The US has not stopped playing God with that region since the end of World War II, and it has all been about natural resources.

The CIA created the modern jihad in 1979 to fight the Soviet Union. Now the US has occupied Afghanistan for ten years just like the Soviets did, and we're no closer to victory than the Soviets were. Our national infrastructure is being neglected, something like 30k bridges across America don't pass safety standards? What is America now? High unemployment, low school test scores, the rich getting richer, good soldiers still dying for rich men's lies, and no military victory in sight.

Smart phones, smart bombs, and stupid people. God bless America.

 

[kiwiman127]

Jihad: The Obama Legacy

In real life, there is a long list of US leaders who are responsible for the mess in the Middle East and Iraq. You're not doing yourself any favors intellectually, by pinning it on one man.

 

[Sallow]

Simple.

OIL

 

[Sallow]

Oil. Despite the insane agenda by the Hussein administration to convert America to a windmill agrarian society we still need fossil fuel and we try to protect our sources. WW2 was fought over oil and we ultimately nuked Japan over it.

WW2 was not fought over oil.

And "our" sources?

Those should vendors.

As in the SELL us oil.

As in it's THEIR OIL to sell.

You folks go ON AND ON about free trade.

EXCEPT when it puts you at a disadvantage.

 

[dilloduck]

Oil. Despite the insane agenda by the Hussein administration to convert America to a windmill agrarian society we still need fossil fuel and we try to protect our sources. WW2 was fought over oil and we ultimately nuked Japan over it.

WW2 was not fought over oil.

And "our" sources?

Those should vendors.

As in the SELL us oil.

As in it's THEIR OIL to sell.

You folks go ON AND ON about free trade.

EXCEPT when it puts you at a disadvantage.

This move prompted the United States to embargo all oil exports, leading the Imperial Japanese Navy to estimate that it had less than two years of bunker oil remaining and to support the existing plans to seize oil resources in the Dutch East Indies.

Events leading to the attack on Pearl Harbor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Misty]

Simple.

OIL

Wrong again.

"If oil were a major factor for prosecuting war in Iraq, it stands to reason the United States would be getting substantial amounts of it. It may come as a shock to Greenwald as well as a number of other Americans, but with regard to importing oil, the overwhelming percentage of our imported oil does not come from the Middle East. Canada and Latin America*provide*the United States with 34.7 percent of our imported oil. Africa provides another 10.3 percent. The entire Persian Gulf, led by Saudi Arabia at 8.1 percent, provides us with a total of 12.9 percent of our imported oil.


As recently as December 2012, Iraq*provided*the United States with approximately 14.3 million barrels of oil out of a total of about 298 million barrels imported, or 4.8 percent of our total imports. And as this*chart*indicates, we were importing the highest amount of oil from Iraq before we went to war to oust Saddam Hussein."

The War For Oil Myth | FrontPage Magazine

 

[Misty]

The fact that we get any oil from misogynist countries is disgusting.

 

[Sallow]

Oil. Despite the insane agenda by the Hussein administration to convert America to a windmill agrarian society we still need fossil fuel and we try to protect our sources. WW2 was fought over oil and we ultimately nuked Japan over it.

WW2 was not fought over oil.

And "our" sources?

Those should vendors.

As in the SELL us oil.

As in it's THEIR OIL to sell.

You folks go ON AND ON about free trade.

EXCEPT when it puts you at a disadvantage.

This move prompted the United States to embargo all oil exports, leading the Imperial Japanese Navy to estimate that it had less than two years of bunker oil remaining and to support the existing plans to seize oil resources in the Dutch East Indies.

Events leading to the attack on Pearl Harbor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You guys are nuts.

Really..just nuts.

That's kind of like saying the Civil War was fought over a fort in South Carolina.

 

[Sallow]

Simple.

OIL

Wrong again.

"If oil were a major factor for prosecuting war in Iraq, it stands to reason the United States would be getting substantial amounts of it. It may come as a shock to Greenwald as well as a number of other Americans, but with regard to importing oil, the overwhelming percentage of our imported oil does not come from the Middle East. Canada and Latin America*provide*the United States with 34.7 percent of our imported oil. Africa provides another 10.3 percent. The entire Persian Gulf, led by Saudi Arabia at 8.1 percent, provides us with a total of 12.9 percent of our imported oil.


As recently as December 2012, Iraq*provided*the United States with approximately 14.3 million barrels of oil out of a total of about 298 million barrels imported, or 4.8 percent of our total imports. And as this*chart*indicates, we were importing the highest amount of oil from Iraq before we went to war to oust Saddam Hussein."

The War For Oil Myth | FrontPage Magazine

It's not about supply.

It's about control.

And using dimwit Ahlert for anything is going to put you in the dimwit category.

I've personally had an "email" war with that rube. His acumen in anything is below sea level.

 

[BlindBoo]

Oil. Despite the insane agenda by the Hussein administration to convert America to a windmill agrarian society we still need fossil fuel and we try to protect our sources. WW2 was fought over oil and we ultimately nuked Japan over it.

WW2 was not fought over oil.

And "our" sources?

Those should vendors.

As in the SELL us oil.

As in it's THEIR OIL to sell.

You folks go ON AND ON about free trade.

EXCEPT when it puts you at a disadvantage.

This move prompted the United States to embargo all oil exports, leading the Imperial Japanese Navy to estimate that it had less than two years of bunker oil remaining and to support the existing plans to seize oil resources in the Dutch East Indies.

Events leading to the attack on Pearl Harbor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oil is certainly an important strategic part of any war, but the conquests of Japan, like seizure of allies lands in the Pacific was the reason FDR started embargoing raw materials, including oil, from Japan.

 

[KGB]

Simple question, maybe someone can explain. not interested about blaming bush, Hillary or Obama they are clearly a team of con artists that follow orders.

Here's my feeble take on Iraq.

Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. As a result of the billionaire Arab Shieks (and their oil money) being in jeopardy, the United States put together a coalition of countries that had a vested interest in Saudi Oil and they ran Hussein back into Iraq.

The UN voted on sanctions against Hussein (to include a no fly zone) which Hussein immediately ignored. He attacked coalition planes with missiles on numerous occasions (in spite of warnings). At some point (I do NOT recall the date) - Saddam attempted to have George H W Bush assassinated and failed.

After a change in administration to Bush the younger, nothing changed. Hussein was warned repeatedly, by coalition members, the US and the UN, NOT to continue violations of the no fly zone - which he ignored. Around this time, it was brought to life that Hussein had used NBC weapons on his own people.

Finally, the attacks on the World Trade Center happened and the rest is history. Regardless of the fact that the attackers did not come from Iraq, Bush used Iraq as an excuse to invade that country after the world's Intelligence agencies (as well as the US CIA, DIA) briefed coalition forces as well as the UN and the Congress and advised them that Hussein's NBC capabilities could be used as weapons of mass destruction. Unknown to the majority of people involved, Hussein had already moved his chemical weapons into Syria for safe keeping.

Most of both Houses (Bipartisan) agreed that it was time to act and they did.

Thousands of young men and women were sent to war. Some of them did not come home. Some of them came home mortally wounded in battles to capture different cities. Thousands more were sent to Afghanistan in a feeble attempt to rout the Taliban and hunt down Osama Bin Laden. Many were killed or maimed and are STILL being killed and maimed today.

As a veteran of combat in Vietnam - and having endured "coming home" to a country that hated that war and the young men that fought there, I know what it feels like to NOT be the victor. I know EXACTLY what it is like to attack repeatedly to gain ground only to walk away from it.

To all these young men and women (regardless of party) who fought like warriors, and to those who, unfortunately never came home, and to those who left arms and legs in the sand in a fruitless waste of time, money and manpower - I SALUTE you! God Bless you, from the bottom of my heart. Those who have seen death at a young age in such gruesome ways in combat are the best the country has to offer and should never leave the battlefield without final victory.

To the politicians, both Republicans, Independents and Democrats who so callously sent these young men and women into harms way, only to tie their collective hands behind their backs (as in Vietnam) - rather than allow them to bring their enemy to it's knees - God Damn you. God Damn you to hell.

There. That's MY take. No politics, no bullshit.

Nice "take", but not exactly what happened.

Saddam did indeed invade Kuwait. Bin Laden wanted to put together a coalition of Arab States to drive Saddam out of Kuwait. But countries like Saudi Arabia called on the US which has the biggest military on earth and because both countries had signed peace treaties and agreements. It was the duty of the US to drive Saddam from Kuwait. I never had a problem with it. And Bush Sr. was smart. He pushed Saddam back to the border and stopped. That way, we didn't have to pay to fix Iraq. See? When you sign agreements you have to honor them. It's your duty.

So what pissed off Bin Laden? He felt that it was sacrilege for infidels (US) to kill Muslims on Islamic Holy Lands. And he was pissed his Arab friends turned away from his help to ask for aid from the west. But the US did what it was supposed to do. So Bin Laden got pissed. That was his problem. And we he attacked, he deserved to be killed.

But the Republicans totally screwed that up.

The difference between Bush 1 and Bush 2. Bush 1 at barely 20 was a WWII fighter pilot who saw action. His life was as a public servant. He was an Officer, Head of the CIA, Vice President and President.

Bush 2 was in the champagne unit of the National Guard (called that because it was filled with the athletes and the children of the "elite"). He spent Vietnam passed out under a bar stool. A rich kid with the worse case of rich kid "I'm special so the rules don't apply to me" that I've ever seen since Mitt Romney.

When Bush 2 invaded Iraq, in one fell swoop, he ruined our foreign policy, added trillions to the deficit, got rid of the one country that kept Iran in check

I'm too tired to write any more, but at least that's the beginning of what happened. And why Bin Laden hated us. How do I know? He told us. Just like he told us he was going to attack before 9/11. It's required to give warning according to his religion.

bin Laden declared his jihad against America way back in '96. Care to guess who was in office back then?

I was amused by your comment about bin Laden wanting a coalition of Arab States to drive Saddam out. Why would a man who turned his back on his own country to lead a non-state terrorist group suddenly turn back to the geo-political nation-state construct? bin Laden wanted to establish a Caliphate on the corpses of these same states. He wanted to get together his jihadi buddies for a throw down, but it is intellectually dishonest to suggest he wanted anything to do with any recognized Arab state.

Incidentally, we never left Iraq after the first Gulf War. It was continued by Operations Northern & Southern Watch.

 

[Misty]

Well if the US really wanted control why didn't they bid enough money to secure control?

Simple.

OIL

Wrong again.

"If oil were a major factor for prosecuting war in Iraq, it stands to reason the United States would be getting substantial amounts of it. It may come as a shock to Greenwald as well as a number of other Americans, but with regard to importing oil, the overwhelming percentage of our imported oil does not come from the Middle East. Canada and Latin America*provide*the United States with 34.7 percent of our imported oil. Africa provides another 10.3 percent. The entire Persian Gulf, led by Saudi Arabia at 8.1 percent, provides us with a total of 12.9 percent of our imported oil.


As recently as December 2012, Iraq*provided*the United States with approximately 14.3 million barrels of oil out of a total of about 298 million barrels imported, or 4.8 percent of our total imports. And as this*chart*indicates, we were importing the highest amount of oil from Iraq before we went to war to oust Saddam Hussein."

The War For Oil Myth | FrontPage Magazine

It's not about supply.

It's about control.

And using dimwit Ahlert for anything is going to put you in the dimwit category.

I've personally had an "email" war with that rube. His acumen in anything is below sea level.

 

[Steinlight]

Fuck off. I made my point and you CANT refute it.

I just did.

You didn't refute anything. You offered a strawman.

You don't know what a strawman is.

 

[rdean]

How do you live with yourself, supporting a president who armed al qaeda aligned islamist groups when those people and that ideology killed so many people on 9/11, 3000 of our people?

How can you stand by and support a president as the islamist groups he armed savage Iraq, a country we have screwed again and again?

The thing is, terrible individuals like you are just as bad as the neo-cons who supported the war in Iraq. It's like none of you have a conscience or think your immoral actions have consequences. Shame on you.

What the fuck are you talking about. Obama never wanted to go into Iraq and he took out Bin Laden after Republicans let Bin Laden go. Obama was given a huge bucket of shit and Republicans have done everything they can to make sure he's stuck with that shit.

And look at Syria. Republicans screaming to arm the cannibals. Obama has wisely stepped back.

Not only are you a sick individual that supports Obama's war crimes in Syria, you lie about it. Obama's support of radical islamist has now come home to roost in the form of a failed Iraqi state.

CIA begins weapons delivery to Syrian rebels - The Washington Post

Syrian rebels seen firing U.S.-made weapons raises questions - TIME

US reportedly starts supplying Syrian rebels with anti-tank weapons ? RT USA

U.S., Britain suspend aid to north Syria after Islamists seize weapons store | Reuters


The Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria: Two Arab countries fall apart | The Economist

U.S. providing some lethal aid to Syrian rebels: opposition spokesman | Reuters

» Susan Rice Admits U.S. Giving Arms to Al-Qaeda in Syria Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

How do you live with supporting such a piece of shit arrogant neo-liberal with no regard for the consequences of his actions?

Really no difference between you an the neo-cons.Both of your lots are enemies of humanity.

May I ask why you are such a terrible person? Why do you support such evil people?

I go to one of your links and it says, "Obama is running human trafficking". Really?