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If a new Pope states that the Church is going to reverse the stigma of priests molesting children, does not the Church respond affirmatively? If he states that the Church is going to stop ostracizing homosexuals, does not the Church respond likewise?

Or do priests ignore the Pope's statements and just do what they choose to do?
 
Just for one example, if the Pope condemns a US president's policy on illegal immigration, do priests come out publicly in support of that policy? If the Pope states that Catholic Churches are to welcome illegal immigrants and shelter them from the government, do priests instead turn in illegal immigrants found in their congregations? I say a priest does not dare to conflict with the Pope's proclamation, no matter his own beliefs on the subject.
Priests, on the whole, are not involved with politics. Nor do they ask people for birth certificates, visas, passports, etc. If someone asks for help, they help--no politics involved. Priests turn no one from their congregation or their church. It has nothing to do with a pope's political views. Nor does the pope ask this of them.
 
A different Pope can take a different approach and say illegal immigrants should be identified to the government, and again, priests would not dare to shelter them instead.
Politics is not part of the pope's role. He can certainly share his own beliefs, and some do. That does not change the views or procedures in local parishes.
 
The Pope has authority to set Church policy, and we see this with every new Pope. The concern worldwide is, "What is he going to do about <insert political issue of the day here>? Is he going to be conservative or liberal? That concern is expressly because he has so much authority over the Catholic Church. Untold millions of Catholics are going to follow whatever he says because they believe he has that authority.
What does that have to do with Church policy? Answer: Nothing. Catholics can share the pope's political views and they can disagree with the pope's political views. Political views have nothing to do with Church policy.
 
What proclamations can he make (short of outright anti-Biblical heresy that would get him kicked out of office) that will not be obeyed?
Are you asking when a pope can be censored and who censors him? Would you censor a pope? Why? And over what?
 
I'm not talking about a local issue, I'm talking about the Pope's views on subjects. Whenever a new Pope is chosen, the speculation around the world is will he be a hardliner or laid back? What issues will he champion and what issues will he put on the back burner? He leads the Church and sets policy.
He does not set political policy any more than a Hollywood star sets political policy.
 
Why do you insist on mischaracterizing Protestant Churches?
I am not mischaracterizing them, and you know splits happen. I did not single out a single Protestant church, I just pointed to a well-known reason for new churches starting up. I understand that on any given year, that number can reach into the thousands.
 
Yet you separate yourselves from other Christians, who are praying that ALL believers would truly be one instead of insisting that "You can't be one with us unless you become a <fill in preferred denomination here>".
Not at all what I am saying.
 
He does not set political policy any more than a Hollywood star sets political policy.
Yet the world waits breathlessly to see the new Pope's political and moral beliefs. You can claim he doesn't have that authority, but millions upon millions of people believe he does.
 
Are you asking when a pope can be censored and who censors him?
Yes. Who has authority to tell the Pope that he got something wrong? He's human and he's fallible. Where are his checks and balances? Peter had the other Apostles of equal stature who could call him on the carpet if he got something wrong, and Paul did exactly that over the issue of making Gentile believers follow the Law.
Would you censor a pope?
If I had authority to do so and he was wrong about something, absolutely. I would do it for my pastor if he got something wrong from the pulpit because in our churches, lay members can challenge the pastor if he is wrong.
Why? And over what?
I'm leaving that open. The point is, one man can be wrong and should not have the immense power that the Pope has.
 
Not at all what I am saying.
I have seen that kind of attitude expressed several times, usually by Catholics who like to claim that the Catholic Church has it all figured out and everybody else is wrong.
 
Yet the world waits breathlessly to see the new Pope's political and moral beliefs.
So? The world also waits to see who agrees with him and who disagrees with him politically. So what?
 
Yes. Who has authority to tell the Pope that he got something wrong? He's human and he's fallible. Where are his checks and balances? Peter had the other Apostles of equal stature who could call him on the carpet if he got something wrong, and Paul did exactly that over the issue of making Gentile believers follow the Law.
This tells me you haven't a clue about the pope or his duties. What, exactly, are you imagining any pope does wrong? In two thousand years, only two or three infallible decisions have been made. This was after the entire church had given them their data and their opinions and are asking the pope for a decision. Are you saying someone above the pope should have told him whether the decision was right or wrong? Are you saying no one, not even a cardinal, ever disagrees with a pope? Who is providing you with this information?
 
If I had authority to do so and he was wrong about something, absolutely. I would do it for my pastor if he got something wrong from the pulpit because in our churches, lay members can challenge the pastor if he is wrong.
So? Go challenge the pope, if you would like.
 
You claim to know what is in the heads of others, and what others are finding when they look deep into scripture? How are you able to do this via posts on the internet?
People openly reveal what is in their heads.

What's the mystery?
 
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I'm leaving that open. The point is, one man can be wrong and should not have the immense power that the Pope has.
How much power does a servant have? You've built up your own image of a pope and his duties/responsibilities. Are you imagining that every parish priest talks about the Pope during the Mass or church meetings? In a Catholic Church, hell is rarely the topic in a homily--I've heard only three in my entire life. I've never heard a homily that features the pope. Never. We do pray for the Pope, bishop, and all the clergy at each Mass, but they are not topics of a homily. Homilies feature Biblical readings.

I'm beginning to think perhaps Protestants talk more about the Pope than Catholics. He sure seems to be living in your head.
 
Very good. But why did you leave out that Jesus came to build his Church?

not to build a church to renew what is already heavens creation, life and garden earth is their church - the sabbath to be kept holy ... ignored by all three desert religions.
 
That's part of #6 because it occurred due to #6
Remember, Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. There were more lost sheep from that House than those remaining in Israel at the time of Jesus. Think of the significance of Zebulun and Naphtali, and deportations that happened throughout that region. Jesus was not there simply to gather those who had remained and had descendants who lived where once the tribes of Zebulun and Naphtali resided. He gathered Twelve Apostles. There is significance in that as well, as 'apostle' is a missionary who goes forth. Jesus was setting up his Church long before some unbelief among the Jews.
 
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