Zone1 Why can't there be a serious intellectual discusion about Jesus' gender and sexuality?

[BackAgain]

actually to be historically correct he was an image of a man but not a man,

No. He WAS a man born in the image of a man. But He was also Himself, a man.

the trinity of christs making his accounts is the subject, 1 of the 3 may have been bi and maybe because they were a woman who was characterized as a man by birth defect(Turners syndrom).

No part of that analysis of the Trinity is coherent.

 

[HaShev]

No. He WAS a man born in the image of a man. But He was also Himself, a man.

No part of that analysis of the Trinity is coherent.

No, the historical figures used for the man named Jesus were claimed men, but Jesus is merely ink on papyrus, you have to discuss which of the figures you call Your christ Jesus then discuss from a historical standpoint, but once you do the story unravels because that's when you realise characters in the story don't fit the time period but tney fit the other Christs period instead. Combined figures need new names and none of those historical Christs would even turn their head around if you yelled out the name Jesus a name they never knew, a female name at that time.

 

[BackAgain]

No, the historical figures used for the man named Jesus were claimed men, but Jesus is merely ink on papyrus, you have to discuss which of the figures you call Your christ Jesus then discuss from a historical standpoint, but once you do the story unravels because that's when you realise characters in the story don't fit the time period but tney fit the other Christs period instead. Combined figures need new names and none of those historical Christs would even turn their head around if you yelled out the name Jesus a name they never knew, a female name at that time.

Disagree. But, don’t much care.

 

[onefour1]

Everyone of the day referred to and knew Jesus as a man. Jesus bled from every pore because of the extreme suffering that no other man in history has ever suffered. When you can have another man suffer for all the sins of all mankind and live to tell about it, maybe then you can compare the outcome to that of Jesus. Until then, you have no proof from others in this life. When Jesus resurrected, there were no skeletal remains in the tomb. Read Luke 24 where Jesus appears after his resurrection to his disciples and they touch his hands and feet and saw every other part of his being. He didn't leave his skull behind. The BS people come up with never ceases to amaze me. Jesus' mother, who changed his diapers would know better that all others of mortal mankind on this earth whether Jesus was a man or woman. The record shows that he was born male and circumcised:

Luke 2:21
21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

I don't think they ever circumcised a female. Even the angels pronounced that he would be the SON of God.

 

[ding]

One post you bring up seeking truth, then scalded me (with the very thing your post is doing and lacking).
All for getting to truth through discussion which note: nobody has yet refuted without ad hominem smokescreens and avoidance techniques.
Isn't this like Dems scalding Musk for seeking the unpopular truth about our gov't corruption? So the unpopular truth seems unkind but isn't it true love that you just hate because you can't stand the refiners fire used to skim the impurities off the surface so what's left is more pure (a faith)?
Which is real love; One who knows something but is affraid to tell you because you will be angry and persecute them, so they hold it back.
-Or-


one who reveals what they know that is unpopular but true that you weren’t studied to know or privy to knowing, so they sacrifice being the hated messenger to reveal it to you so you’d be safe?

Not many people really stood up and dared to tell you the facts of life, because they didn’t love you enough to risk doing so or bother to waste energy doing so, and it’s because of how you treat them when they do. Thus it’s you and that human ego who hates yourself and is to blame for not recognizing true love over people using you or people who are silent to your foibles.
Sometimes people can't recognize real love which is unconditional love, from phony love which is riddled with conditions or a facade. For some see people like me or Elon or Trump as a pain, but real love is willingness to be unpopular and face the sacrifice for the sake of giving you what you need and not what you wish to hear. That's true love, although people don't see it as such or realize it. This sacrifice for the unpopular truth to be proven right in the future is a lesson taught on Chanukah and is in Genesis /And the Torah portion for this is called the "Mikeitz" probably
because =Dan 10:21.
It's one's hardest task in teaching the unpopular truth that won't be recognized as love till the future and time is right. It’s also why Israel is called the suffering servant throughout Isaiah, because to hold the covenant of God and the laws in a world which is riddled with transgression and iniquity is truly a sacrificing task. It’s necessary although to assure the will and promises of God is fulfilled and that the teachings would eventually purify all nations and not just Israel.

I'm bringing it all up because your motives are not pure. Your motives are self serving and against the principles of Judaism.

 

[HaShev]

I'm bringing it all up because your motives are not pure. Your motives are self serving and against the principles of Judaism.

You just admitted Christianity's motives are not pure because
1) it can't stand up to scrutiny
2) everyone else is expected to endure the refiners fire but not them (rules for thee but not me)
3)the 2 choices were either Jesus was a female or your church motives were not pure regarding the constant fake relics

So your solution to either choice is to blame the Jew, because you can't come to grips you've been checkmated (by your own choice)?

 

[ding]

You just admitted Christianity's motives are not pure because
1) it can't stand up to scrutiny
2) everyone else is expected to endure the refiners fire but not them (rules for thee but not me)
3)the 2 choices were either Jesus was a female or your church motives were not pure regarding the constant fake relics

So your solution to either choice is to blame the Jew, because you can't come to grips you've been checkmated (by your own choice)?

No, I didn't. I said your motives are not pure. Keep making threads like this and I'll keep pointing out that your behaviors are at odds with Judaism.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

there are only 2 genders/sexs,,

male and female,,

discussion over

There are people who do not meet the definition of these two genders though. Just because there are "two genders" does not mean that every person born, is one of those two.

Intersex - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[progressive hunter]

There are people who do not meet the definition of these two genders though. Just because there are "two genders" does not mean that every person born, is one of those two.

Intersex - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

are you talking about mutations or abnormalities??

sorry they dont count,,

and dont act like thats what we re talking about,,

the controversy is about people that think theyre one of the other hundred genders being made up daily by the mentally ill

 

[HaShev]

No, I didn't. I said your motives are not pure. Keep making threads like this and I'll keep pointing out that your behaviors are at odds with Judaism.

and via your standard you called your faith not pure and deflected it upon your faith's favorite scapegoat (the Jews), because your faith via the Roman authority created 1 world religion demonized their revolters of their subversive control.=liken to the Dems demonization of Maga with the same purity the dems display. Same corruption, same fake good news, same word play and same control of the narrative. They did this to most of the kingdoms they subverted.

 

[ding]

and via your standard you called your faith not pure and deflected it upon your faith's favorite scapegoat (the Jews), because your faith via the Roman authority created 1 world religion demonized their revolters of their subversive control.=liken to the Dems demonization of Maga with the same purity the dems display. Same corruption, same fake good news, same word play and same control of the narrative. They did this to most of the kingdoms they subverted.

No. I didn't. That's all in your head.

 

[HaShev]

No. I didn't. That's all in your head.

So now you deny your own standard and are arguing against yourself.

 

[shimon]

So now you deny your own standard and are arguing against yourself.

Or against the Holy Ghost “ Caspar” I guess since Ding swallowed the Trinity angle hook line and sinker there are three of them arguing with each other in his head while he is teeing off while golfing. Makes for a crowded scene ..

 

[HaShev]

Or against the Holy Ghost “ Caspar” I guess since Ding swallowed the Trinity angle hook line and sinker there are three of them arguing with each other in his head while he is teeing off while golfing. Makes for a crowded scene ..

4 if you believe the Mormons and 5 if you also believe the Branch Davidians.

 

[ThisIsMe]

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Someone was offended by this artwork someone released of a trans Jesus, but they weren't offended by the real travesty of the Sun cross (Baal cross) symbol in it.
I ask you all why can't the artist have this discussion if there is good evidence he might have a secret worth sharing.

Actually it's a valid discussion as to the Gender of 1 of the trinity of characters used for the Jesus image and combined story.
Resarch the female skeleton of Jesus, the head is hiding in Neuillville --France
At one time The Vatican insisted they found the tomb of Jesus.About the story it was researched by British biochemist Anthony Harris who is formerly from the TRINITY College in Dublin (so non biased or more biased towards the Church). He saw many possibilities that Jesus was a woman with turners syndrom, because only a woman with this condition is known to sweat blood (Luke 22:43-44)
Around the time of the Inquisition
There were found the catheri relics one labeled "Caput LVIII" contained the skull of a woman and this was sworn to be the flesh and blood tomb of Jesus.Josephus reported Jesus to be a mere 5 foot tall. Other history reports Jesus to be slightly built and without beard.
These facts can be read in the old Omni magazine Dec 1988 issue or his book titled the Sacred Virgin and the Holy Whore.
Hey I don't write these things or make them up, I just leave open all possiblities for us all to ponder, I basically just report what I see and what you all miss, even as connections appear to support these possibilities.
The relic:
A great head of gilded silver, most beautiful, and constituting theimage of a woman. Inside were two head bones, wrapped in a cloth of white linen, with another red cloth around it. A label was attached, on which was written the legend Caput LVIIIm. The bones inside were those of a rather small woman."

Other evidence would be the fact that when they discovered the bones to be of a woman that is the time period where the forged shroud of an over 6'
bearded man thst magically appeared on the scene.

Fact: Jesus relationships reveal it's possibility:
"A newly translated Gnostic gospel, entitled The Secret Book of Judas of Kerioth, According to this seeminglyauthentic early Cainite-Ophite text, translated from the Coptic by Mohammed al-Murtada and Francis Bendik, said Jesus had an active bisexual love life, including relations with John, Lazarus and Mary Magdelene.
Also validating that: is
in the missing portions of Mark it shows Jesus sleeping with a naked young rich man, but also the NT validates this:
"...there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold of him: And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked." (Mark 14:51-52). Was this the companion that Luke observed with Jesus inside the garden?

"...he that is courageous among the mighty shall flee away naked on that day..."(Amos 2:16----the Hebrew 'labab' translated 'flee away' here, actually means 'transported with love', and also 'ravished'). Now that certainly fits this episode of the young man fleeing away naked from Jesus outside the garden of Gethsemane.

Who was this young man if not perhaps the rich man whom "Then Jesus beholding him, loved him..."(Mark 10:21). Perhaps it was the rich man Lazarus, of whom "...he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth..."(John 11:11----The Greek 'philos' translated 'friend', also means 'dear' and 'fond of').

Fact: the only historical person named Jesus was in 70 or 90 ad and was a name used for a woman.
Joshua (Hosea) is used for a man.

Fact: the truth Gospels shows us the original trinity
at that time was Father- Mother -Son,
Jesus was therefore both man and Woman.

Fact: The church is clothed in the lady worship.

Fact:they claim the central source Q used to write the gospels came from a woman.

Fact: in the Book of Thomas he speaks of the day body parts will be changed and man made female and female into men, but why?
How would he know unless he was transformed?
Which brings us to:
Fact: He always spoke about being transformed.

Discuss: was Jesus like Chaz Bono, a woman living as a man, or like woman characters in history (Joan of Arc) who were mischaracterized & posed as men to compete in a male dominant society?
*(in my best Seinfeld voice: "not that there was anything wrong with that")

Blood sweat can also be caused by hemotidrosis, which can be onset by stress and anxiety...

 

[HaShev]

Blood sweat can also be caused by hemotidrosis, which can be onset by stress and anxiety...

Thank you, I had to look that up, of those rare cases it seems to affect women while they've had their periods.
1) Was Jesus on his/her period?
2)wasn't Jesus claimed perfect without blemish?
3) wasn't he a healer?
4)why would he cry that God had foresaken him when he knew Rome's penalty for revolt?
5)Which is a better magic trick, The Church changing a man's bones into Female Skeletal remains or Pennsylvania Voting stations who pulled perfectly unfolder uncreased mail in ballots out of a smaller envelope?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Thank you, I had to look that up, of those rare cases it seems to affect women while they've had their periods.
1) Was Jesus on his/her period?
2)wasn't Jesus claimed perfect without blemish?
3) wasn't he a healer?
4)why would he cry that God had foresaken him when he knew Rome's penalty for revolt?
5)Which is a better magic trick, The Church changing a man's bones into Female Skeletal remains or Pennsylvania Voting stations who pulled perfectly unfolder uncreased mail in ballots out of a smaller envelope?

Hemitodrosis can affect anyone, both men and women. The idea of attributing Jesus to being a woman because of turners syndrome isnt accurate.

 

[shimon]

Regardless whether Jesus was a man or a woman one must keep in mind if he/she was suffering from a bodily discharge of blood he / she would be considered unclean by Jewish law we are reminded of this by looking at Leviticus 2:15 where it states “ Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When any man hath a running issue out of his flesh, because of his issue he is unclean” So if Jesus was a man he would be considered unclean and unfit to be anything special further if he was a woman the same criteria applies to her; in Leviticus 15:19 And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even……………… Hardly a fitting sacrifice and since human sacrifice is an abomination it goes without saying…..

 

[Blackrook]

HaShev, you're making yourself look ridiculous.

 

[shimon]

4 if you believe the Mormons and 5 if you also believe the Branch Davidians.

And 6 when seeing him in their cornflakes because Tony the Tiger says they are “ Great” lol