Zone1 Why can't there be a serious intellectual discusion about Jesus' gender and sexuality?

[zaangalewa]

luiza

If you have absolutelly not any light idea what you try to comment - why do you try to do so, atheist? And by the way, slave of Putin: Tell your master to end his stupid, senseless and criminal war on Europe in the Ukraine. Leave the Ukraine with all of your soldiers. Yesterday.

 

[shimon]

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Someone was offended by this artwork someone released of a trans Jesus, but they weren't offended by the real travesty of the Sun cross (Baal cross) symbol in it.
I ask you all why can't the artist have this discussion if there is good evidence he might have a secret worth sharing.

Actually it's a valid discussion as to the Gender of 1 of the trinity of characters used for the Jesus image and combined story.
Resarch the female skeleton of Jesus, the head is hiding in Neuillville --France
At one time The Vatican insisted they found the tomb of Jesus.About the story it was researched by British biochemist Anthony Harris who is formerly from the TRINITY College in Dublin (so non biased or more biased towards the Church). He saw many possibilities that Jesus was a woman with turners syndrom, because only a woman with this condition is known to sweat blood (Luke 22:43-44)
Around the time of the Inquisition
There were found the catheri relics one labeled "Caput LVIII" contained the skull of a woman and this was sworn to be the flesh and blood tomb of Jesus.Josephus reported Jesus to be a mere 5 foot tall. Other history reports Jesus to be slightly built and without beard.
These facts can be read in the old Omni magazine Dec 1988 issue or his book titled the Sacred Virgin and the Holy Whore.
Hey I don't write these things or make them up, I just leave open all possiblities for us all to ponder, I basically just report what I see and what you all miss, even as connections appear to support these possibilities.
The relic:
A great head of gilded silver, most beautiful, and constituting theimage of a woman. Inside were two head bones, wrapped in a cloth of white linen, with another red cloth around it. A label was attached, on which was written the legend Caput LVIIIm. The bones inside were those of a rather small woman."

Other evidence would be the fact that when they discovered the bones to be of a woman that is the time period where the forged shroud of an over 6'
bearded man thst magically appeared on the scene.

Fact: Jesus relationships reveal it's possibility:
"A newly translated Gnostic gospel, entitled The Secret Book of Judas of Kerioth, According to this seeminglyauthentic early Cainite-Ophite text, translated from the Coptic by Mohammed al-Murtada and Francis Bendik, said Jesus had an active bisexual love life, including relations with John, Lazarus and Mary Magdelene.
Also validating that: is
in the missing portions of Mark it shows Jesus sleeping with a naked young rich man, but also the NT validates this:
"...there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold of him: And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked." (Mark 14:51-52). Was this the companion that Luke observed with Jesus inside the garden?

"...he that is courageous among the mighty shall flee away naked on that day..."(Amos 2:16----the Hebrew 'labab' translated 'flee away' here, actually means 'transported with love', and also 'ravished'). Now that certainly fits this episode of the young man fleeing away naked from Jesus outside the garden of Gethsemane.

Who was this young man if not perhaps the rich man whom "Then Jesus beholding him, loved him..."(Mark 10:21). Perhaps it was the rich man Lazarus, of whom "...he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth..."(John 11:11----The Greek 'philos' translated 'friend', also means 'dear' and 'fond of').

Fact: the only historical person named Jesus was in 70 or 90 ad and was a name used for a woman.
Joshua (Hosea) is used for a man.

Fact: the truth Gospels shows us the original trinity
at that time was Father- Mother -Son,
Jesus was therefore both man and Woman.

Fact: The church is clothed in the lady worship.

Fact:they claim the central source Q used to write the gospels came from a woman.

Fact: in the Book of Thomas he speaks of the day body parts will be changed and man made female and female into men, but why?
How would he know unless he was transformed?
Which brings us to:
Fact: He always spoke about being transformed.

Discuss: was Jesus like Chaz Bono, a woman living as a man, or like woman characters in history (Joan of Arc) who were mischaracterized & posed as men to compete in a male dominant society?
*(in my best Seinfeld voice: "not that there was anything wrong with that")

The twisting and turning that occurs to cover up one lie after another lie is truly something to behold and in each telling the myth ,the legend grows in the imagination of those who tell the lies … It is liken to a man in a fishing boat talking about the “ fish” that got away… In his story the fish is a foot long and weighs twenty pounds but by the time the story has reached the fiftieth person the fish was not a fish but a whale and has become a whale of a tail with the tail waging the fish….Think how the tale grew over a couple of Milenia…Now back to the topic at hand. “ Eve” was always portrayed as coming from the “ rib” of Adam( or man) .. It does not take a genius to figure out that those who gave us the Jesus fable with all its mumble jum( bull) could come up with the concept of the man the myth transforming into a woman like a butterfly after all the idea is to sell their form of snake oil for the little fishes to swallow and by being all things to all peoples they can hook in more little fishes who accept their tall tales and fictions…. Very interesting facts you have brought to the forefront Michael I wonder why so many more people are not discussing them more and how the church can use this to their advantage maybe like being at the forefront of transgender ideas secretly…hmmm….

 

[ding]

For the trinity to be legit you'd be ignoring the original trinity before it changed twice, & validating my
commentaries & teachings about time messaging and non linear time. However if you claim a short return as one not first recognized (in the stories) then that's 4 not three and 5th if you believe Mormons and a 6th if you believe future return (in Hebrew=hashev) new body new name says the text and legend.

A personal relationship with God is far superior to a conceptual belief in God.

 

[HaShev]

The twisting and turning that occurs to cover up one lie after another lie is truly something to behold and in each telling the myth ,the legend grows in the imagination of those who tell the lies … It is liken to a man in a fishing boat talking about the “ fish” that got away… In his story the fish is a foot long and weighs twenty pounds but by the time the story has reached the fiftieth person the fish was not a fish but a whale and has become a whale of a tail with the tail waging the fish….Think how the tale grew over a couple of Milenia…Now back to the topic at hand. “ Eve” was always portrayed as coming from the “ rib” of Adam( or man) .. It does not take a genius to figure out that those who gave us the Jesus fable with all its mumble jum( bull) could come up with the concept of the man the myth transforming into a woman like a butterfly after all the idea is to sell their form of snake oil for the little fishes to swallow and by being all things to all peoples they can hook in more little fishes who accept their tall tales and fictions…. Very interesting facts you have brought to the forefront Michael I wonder why so many more people are not discussing them more and how the church can use this to their advantage maybe like being at the forefront of transgender ideas secretly…hmmm….

Which is why it's ironic that they use the Charab (dung beetle) as the symbol for him, since the dung beetle keeps piling through rolling bull sh*t after bull sh*t till it has a great pile of dung. Unless that was the hoke intended by the Roman creators of the one world religion.

 

[ding]

Which is why it's ironic that they use the Charab (dung beetle) as the symbol for him, since the dung beetle keeps piling through rolling bull sh*t after bull sh*t till it has a great pile of dung. Unless that was the hoke intended by the Roman creators of the one world religion.

Maybe worry about yourself instead of others? Because it seems to me you are not sharing your faith with goodwill, love, and concern for your neighbors. You seem to be petty and self righteously condescending.

 

[Meriweather]

The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you; the LORD lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace

Why can't there be a serious intellectual discussion about Commandments, prayer, and the ways of God?

What has sex got to do with it...

Anything?

 

[ding]

For the trinity to be legit you'd be ignoring the original trinity before it changed twice

Isn't truth generally discovered?

 

[shimon]

Which is why it's ironic that they use the Charab (dung beetle) as the symbol for him, since the dung beetle keeps piling through rolling bull sh*t after bull sh*t till it has a great pile of dung. Unless that was the hoke intended by the Roman creators of the one world religion.

It definitely is ironic people should actually study the connections for it for example church fathers are mentioned in Isaac Myers book of Scarabs Pg 63.. St Ambrose himself called Jesus the good scarabaeus who rolled up before him the unshaven mud of our bodies. Further St Epiphanius has been quoted of saying of Christ.. He is the scarabaeus of God... There is much more if people bothered to look but basically it is telling Jesus was compared to a dung beetle rolling a ball of dung across the ground and his disciples to that dung ball... Doesn't sound very holy or godly to me just a bunch of pagan nonsense trying to explain things they had no idea about like the sun moving across the sky or anything else they had absolutely no knowledge about...They just flung their bull at it and hoped the masses would swallow their crap hook line and stinker.. Borrowing from other cultures and claiming it for their own was always the Roman way and using dung to cover that up is typical of those who want to bury those facts in dirty smelly places that people are loath to look into for fear of becoming as smelly and stinky as they were…

 

[ding]

validating my
commentaries & teachings about time messaging and non linear time.

I didn't know this was about you. I thought this was about God. Maybe read what Maimonides says about discovering truth and the ensuing obligation of discovering said truth?

 

[ding]

However if you claim a short return as one not first recognized (in the stories) then that's 4 not three and 5th if you believe Mormons and a 6th if you believe future return (in Hebrew=hashev) new body new name says the text and legend.

You sound very keen on the form of religion but the question I'd ask is how's your "communication" with God? Or do Jews believe they can't access God's power through righteous actions and following His ways or feel God's presence and guidance in their lives?

 

[HaShev]

Maybe worry about yourself instead of others? Because it seems to me you are not sharing your faith with goodwill, love, and concern for your neighbors. You seem to be petty and self righteously condescending.

well this is your leader of your faith sucking his thumb wearing the fishead hat of Dagon (Baal's father/morning star's grandfather), the Popes who are claimed to be the god of this world, so like my reply in the other topic said, "your choice" to listen to him over me.
But remember your reply doesn't dispute anything, it merely is an ad hominem to discredit the poster instead of the post.

 

[HaShev]

Isn't truth generally discovered?

truth is subjective unless you take note of my solution for this discernment problem via my reply post to why bad things happen, that you also responded to.

 

[ding]

truth is subjective unless you take note of my solution for this discernment problem via my reply post to why bad things happen, that you also responded to.

God is truth, among other "things."

 

[HaShev]

I didn't know this was about you. I thought this was about God. Maybe read what Maimonides says about discovering truth and the ensuing obligation of discovering said truth?

be real, the only way one can be father and son and spirit is through being from the future involved (inserted) into the past (non linear time). If another body and new name is used at a future time that destroys the trinity.

 

[HaShev]

You sound very keen on the form of religion but the question I'd ask is how's your "communication" with God? Or do Jews believe they can't access God's power through righteous actions and following His ways or feel God's presence and guidance in their lives?

re-read my reply to the other thread on why bad things happen.

 

[ding]

well this is your leader of your faith sucking his thumb wearing the fishead hat of Dagon (Baal's father/morning star's grandfather), the Popes who are claimed to be the god of this world, so like my reply in the other topic said, "your choice" to listen to him over me.
But remember your reply doesn't dispute anything, it merely is an ad hominem to discredit the poster instead of the post.

But you weren't sharing your faith with goodwill, love, and concern for your neighbor. And you were being petty and self righteously condescending. You still are.

Judaism teaches to prioritize peace ("shalom") above all else; to understand different perspectives and be respectful of other cultures and religions. Is that what you believe you are doing with this thread?

 

[BackAgain]

Jesus was a He. We don’t know much (if anything) about His “sex life,” including whether He even had one.

 

[ding]

re-read my reply to the other thread on why bad things happen.

No thanks. If you can't be bothered with admitting that you access God's power through righteous actions and following His ways and that you can feel God's presence and guidance in your life, we have nothing further to discuss. Because I do believe that God's power is accessed through righteous actions and following His ways and that I can feel God's presence and guidance in my life

 

[HaShev]

But you weren't sharing your faith with goodwill, love, and concern for your neighbor. And you were being petty and self righteously condescending. You still are.

Judaism teaches to prioritize peace ("shalom") above all else; to understand different perspectives and be respectful of other cultures and religions. Is that what you believe you are doing?

One post you bring up seeking truth, then scalded me (with the very thing your post is doing and lacking).
All for getting to truth through discussion which note: nobody has yet refuted without ad hominem smokescreens and avoidance techniques.
Isn't this like Dems scalding Musk for seeking the unpopular truth about our gov't corruption? So the unpopular truth seems unkind but isn't it true love that you just hate because you can't stand the refiners fire used to skim the impurities off the surface so what's left is more pure (a faith)?
Which is real love; One who knows something but is affraid to tell you because you will be angry and persecute them, so they hold it back.
-Or-


one who reveals what they know that is unpopular but true that you weren’t studied to know or privy to knowing, so they sacrifice being the hated messenger to reveal it to you so you’d be safe?

Not many people really stood up and dared to tell you the facts of life, because they didn’t love you enough to risk doing so or bother to waste energy doing so, and it’s because of how you treat them when they do. Thus it’s you and that human ego who hates yourself and is to blame for not recognizing true love over people using you or people who are silent to your foibles.
Sometimes people can't recognize real love which is unconditional love, from phony love which is riddled with conditions or a facade. For some see people like me or Elon or Trump as a pain, but real love is willingness to be unpopular and face the sacrifice for the sake of giving you what you need and not what you wish to hear. That's true love, although people don't see it as such or realize it. This sacrifice for the unpopular truth to be proven right in the future is a lesson taught on Chanukah and is in Genesis /And the Torah portion for this is called the "Mikeitz" probably
because =Dan 10:21.
It's one's hardest task in teaching the unpopular truth that won't be recognized as love till the future and time is right. It’s also why Israel is called the suffering servant throughout Isaiah, because to hold the covenant of God and the laws in a world which is riddled with transgression and iniquity is truly a sacrificing task. It’s necessary although to assure the will and promises of God is fulfilled and that the teachings would eventually purify all nations and not just Israel.

 

[HaShev]

Jesus was a He. We don’t know much (if anything) about His “sex life,” including whether He even had one.

actually to be historically correct he was an image of a man but not a man, the trinity of christs making his accounts is the subject, 1 of the 3 may have been bi and maybe because they were a woman who was characterized as a man by birth defect(Turners syndrom).