Why can't conservatives/GOP learn from history?

[Dad2three]

Correll; that loser cant be taken seriously. He actually tried to say the Clinton years were exempt from his "35 years of failed supply-side economics" based soley on the fact Clinton raised taxes.

never mind Clinton LOWERED CAPITAL GAINS TAXES, which even this left-wing loser admits is how the richest make their money
nevermind Clinton REDUCED WELFARE WHILE OBAMA HAS EXPANDED IT
nevermind Clinton made all kinds of deals with any carbon-based fuel producer on the planet

libs are losers who lie to themselves

Got it, you'll keep living in denial of what "supply side" policy is. Hint Clinton creating 3 new tax brackets, taking the top rate to 39.6^, WASN'T supply side. Yes he governed many things as a conservative lite!

FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’


FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’

 

[bedowin62]

i gave that idiot left-wing idiot about 10 examples of policies the right was on the "correct side on in history" yesterday

he cowardly deflected

BZZZ nope, sorry Bubba, conflating party with ideology when parties have switched several times the past 150 years, doesn't cut it!
Hint YES, you listed PROGRESSIVES giving blacks the right to vote and OTHER progressive ideas. Conservatives? They fought it, mostly the CONservative CONfederate States ofAmeriKKKa, today's GOP base!

this is just you being a coward. they were democrats you moron; democrats through and through that were lynching black people left and right, there was no liberal wing of the Democrat Party that opposed the lynchings of black people.
and Republican "PROGRESSIVES" WERE THE ONES THAT AGREED WITH LEFT-WING PROGRESSIVES ON ISSUES LIKE EUGENICS.

you're a loser lying to himself

 

[bedowin62]

obama lost MILLIONS OF JOBS over and above what was lost under Bush; before things started to get better. and they started to get better when there more Republicans elected to Congress

Yep, Dubya lost 10 million jobs his last couple years, Obama lost 4 million his first 9 months of inheriting Dubya's economy. But electing Repugs got the economy going again? lol. PLEASE give me bills they passed that did it? lol

republican OBSTRUCTION contributed to the recovery dullard

you didnt think we had to run from that did you?

lol
obama and dems wanted to spend HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS MORE then they ended up spending

now isnt that right?

 

[bedowin62]

you like the p-word huh idiot?

let's go over the history of the Progressive movement in America shall we?

 

[Dad2three]

You mean BJ Bill's 22+ million jobs created was really job losses? Talk about being totally screwed up Bubba!




Yes, Clinton was the best Conservative Prez since Ike, YES BJ Bill got Ronnie's NAFTA passed. Yes 60% of Dems in Congress voted against NAFTA AND every other "free trade" agreement.

HONEST ENOUGH DUMMY?

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arent you the idiot that says the fact that Clinton hiked taxes means "trickle-down" wasnt in effect on h is watch?

now you're saying he was a conservative?

contradicting yourself again

idiot

weird how tiny your brain is Bubba. Seriously...

Everyone noticed that you had no answer to his claim.

You aren't fooling anyone.

Got it Bubba, you didn't understand the false premise!

Without false premises,m distortions and lies, what would right wingersd EVER have?

PLEASE since you want to be the "grownup" in the debate, PRETTY PLEASE give me just ONE policy conservatives have EVER gotten on the correct side of US history on ANY policy? Just one example PLEASE?


Thanks Bubba

it isnt a "false premise" you clearly made that point yesterday. when asked about it you deflected chump.

you can clear up an misconceptions RIGHT NOW OK? just by answering the question: Were the fabulously successful clinton years "supply-side" economics or "trickle-down" or not? if they were there goes your theory. if they werent what do you call those years? and if you're saying they werent then what makes you say that?

NO YOU DUMBF**k CLINTON DIDN'T USE "SUPPLY SIDE", IF HE HAD HE WOULDN'T HAD VETOED THE GOP'S $700+ BILLION TAX CUT AFTER HIS FIRST SURPLUS!!!!

 

[bedowin62]

you're a joke dude

 

[bedowin62]

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arent you the idiot that says the fact that Clinton hiked taxes means "trickle-down" wasnt in effect on h is watch?

now you're saying he was a conservative?

contradicting yourself again

idiot

weird how tiny your brain is Bubba. Seriously...

Everyone noticed that you had no answer to his claim.

You aren't fooling anyone.

Got it Bubba, you didn't understand the false premise!

Without false premises,m distortions and lies, what would right wingersd EVER have?

PLEASE since you want to be the "grownup" in the debate, PRETTY PLEASE give me just ONE policy conservatives have EVER gotten on the correct side of US history on ANY policy? Just one example PLEASE?


Thanks Bubba

it isnt a "false premise" you clearly made that point yesterday. when asked about it you deflected chump.

you can clear up an misconceptions RIGHT NOW OK? just by answering the question: Were the fabulously successful clinton years "supply-side" economics or "trickle-down" or not? if they were there goes your theory. if they werent what do you call those years? and if you're saying they werent then what makes you say that?

NO YOU DUMBF**k CLINTON DIDN'T USE "SUPPLY SIDE", IF HE HAD HE WOULDN'T HAD VETOED THE GOP'S $700+ BILLION TAX CUT AFTER HIS FIRST SURPLUS!!!!

so this is your final answer idiot?

that a tax hike and vetoing a tax cut means there is no supply-side economics present?

want to stick with this? your last shot dummy!!!????

 

[bedowin62]

that's GREAT LEFTARD!!

so let's slash the capital gains tax, that's how the richest make their money isnt it?

it isnt "supply-side economics" to do so according to you!!!


lol

 

[bedowin62]

and let's bring back the WELFARE REFORM from the clinton years that obama GUTTED!!

nevermind you Progs say "welfare and unemployment save or create jobs"!1

it isnt supply-side to SLASH WELFARE LIKE CLINTON DID!!

 

[Dad2three]

the Clinton years: supply-side economics

libs are losers who lie to themselves

FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’


The Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 are scheduled to expire at the end of the year, and President Obama, just as he did on the campaign trail, has proposed renewing the cuts for all but those in the highest two income tax brackets, allowing tax rates for the wealthiest two percent of Americans to reset to the rate at which they were under President Clinton.

Republicans, however, want to renew all of the cuts, and have been apoplectic about Obama’s plan, claiming that it will kill jobs and cripple small businesses. “This is about stopping a job-killing tax hike on small businesses during tough economic times,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT). “You can’t raise taxes in the middle of a weak economy without risking a double dip in the recession,” said House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH).



...Here is just some of the rhetoric employed by Republicans in 1993 to fearmonger about Clinton’s tax increases (there’s more below the fold):




Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), February 2, 1993: We have all too many people in the Democratic administration who are talking about bigger Government, bigger bureaucracy, more programs, and higher taxes. I believe that that will in fact kill the current recovery and put us back in a recession. It might take 1 1/2 or 2 years, but it will happen. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bill Archer (R-TX), May 24, 1993: I would much rather be here today supporting the President and I would do so if his proposals could expect to increase jobs and the standard of living for Americans, but I believe his massive tax increases will do just the opposite. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-GA), July 13, 1993: Small businesses generate the bulk of this Nation’s new jobs. And they will be the hardest hit by the Clinton tax-and-spend budget. Because, when you raise taxes, you kill jobs. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Christopher Cox (R-CA), May, 27, 1993: This is really the Dr. Kevorkian plan for our economy. It will kill jobs, kill businesses, and yes, kill even the higher tax revenues that these suicidal tax increasers hope to gain. (Congressional Record, 1993, Page: H2949)


FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’


SURE BUBBA, SURE

WTF??

now you are trying to back up your claims based on the statements of the Republicans you dismiss at every turn?

i'm embarrassed FOR you

Yeah sure Bubba, sure. Clinton used "supply side" economics THAT'S why not a single GOPer voted for his/Dems 1993 bill that increased revenues and taxes. NOT that those quote of the GOP bashing Clinton's policies matter right? lol

 

[Dad2three]

the Clinton years: supply-side economics

libs are losers who lie to themselves

FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’


The Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 are scheduled to expire at the end of the year, and President Obama, just as he did on the campaign trail, has proposed renewing the cuts for all but those in the highest two income tax brackets, allowing tax rates for the wealthiest two percent of Americans to reset to the rate at which they were under President Clinton.

Republicans, however, want to renew all of the cuts, and have been apoplectic about Obama’s plan, claiming that it will kill jobs and cripple small businesses. “This is about stopping a job-killing tax hike on small businesses during tough economic times,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT). “You can’t raise taxes in the middle of a weak economy without risking a double dip in the recession,” said House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH).



...Here is just some of the rhetoric employed by Republicans in 1993 to fearmonger about Clinton’s tax increases (there’s more below the fold):




Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), February 2, 1993: We have all too many people in the Democratic administration who are talking about bigger Government, bigger bureaucracy, more programs, and higher taxes. I believe that that will in fact kill the current recovery and put us back in a recession. It might take 1 1/2 or 2 years, but it will happen. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bill Archer (R-TX), May 24, 1993: I would much rather be here today supporting the President and I would do so if his proposals could expect to increase jobs and the standard of living for Americans, but I believe his massive tax increases will do just the opposite. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-GA), July 13, 1993: Small businesses generate the bulk of this Nation’s new jobs. And they will be the hardest hit by the Clinton tax-and-spend budget. Because, when you raise taxes, you kill jobs. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Christopher Cox (R-CA), May, 27, 1993: This is really the Dr. Kevorkian plan for our economy. It will kill jobs, kill businesses, and yes, kill even the higher tax revenues that these suicidal tax increasers hope to gain. (Congressional Record, 1993, Page: H2949)


FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’


SURE BUBBA, SURE

how does any of this back up your claim that the Clinton years werent an example of supply-side economics?? because Republicans said so??

Perhaps it was that not a single GOPer voted for Clinton's 1993 omnibus bill that increased taxes on the rich, the opposite of supply side theory Bubba? lol

 

[bedowin62]

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU NUTJOB; and your fellow LWNJs can chime in and answer it too.

what do you call what we have now?

IS IT SUPPLY-SIDE?
if it is, is it working?

if it isnt what do you call it?
and again is it working?
if so how do you quantify that?
and if not then why not? and how do you quantify that?

 

[Dad2three]

arent you forgetting about something leftard?

the DOT-COM REVOLUTION.

supply-side

Oh right sorry, in conservative/GOP "reality" NO US Prez policy goes beyond his term in office (that's why Obama gets stuck with ALL debt by Dubya's policies Jan 20th 2009 FORWARD),, , EXCEPT Super Reagan who was responsible for 18+ years of economic activity. lol

 

[bedowin62]

the Clinton years: supply-side economics

libs are losers who lie to themselves

FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’


The Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 are scheduled to expire at the end of the year, and President Obama, just as he did on the campaign trail, has proposed renewing the cuts for all but those in the highest two income tax brackets, allowing tax rates for the wealthiest two percent of Americans to reset to the rate at which they were under President Clinton.

Republicans, however, want to renew all of the cuts, and have been apoplectic about Obama’s plan, claiming that it will kill jobs and cripple small businesses. “This is about stopping a job-killing tax hike on small businesses during tough economic times,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT). “You can’t raise taxes in the middle of a weak economy without risking a double dip in the recession,” said House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH).



...Here is just some of the rhetoric employed by Republicans in 1993 to fearmonger about Clinton’s tax increases (there’s more below the fold):




Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), February 2, 1993: We have all too many people in the Democratic administration who are talking about bigger Government, bigger bureaucracy, more programs, and higher taxes. I believe that that will in fact kill the current recovery and put us back in a recession. It might take 1 1/2 or 2 years, but it will happen. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bill Archer (R-TX), May 24, 1993: I would much rather be here today supporting the President and I would do so if his proposals could expect to increase jobs and the standard of living for Americans, but I believe his massive tax increases will do just the opposite. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-GA), July 13, 1993: Small businesses generate the bulk of this Nation’s new jobs. And they will be the hardest hit by the Clinton tax-and-spend budget. Because, when you raise taxes, you kill jobs. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Christopher Cox (R-CA), May, 27, 1993: This is really the Dr. Kevorkian plan for our economy. It will kill jobs, kill businesses, and yes, kill even the higher tax revenues that these suicidal tax increasers hope to gain. (Congressional Record, 1993, Page: H2949)


FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’


SURE BUBBA, SURE

how does any of this back up your claim that the Clinton years werent an example of supply-side economics?? because Republicans said so??

Perhaps it was that not a single GOPer voted for Clinton's 1993 omnibus bill that increased taxes on the rich, the opposite of supply side theory Bubba? lol

i got it stupid. it isnt supply-sideif you're hiking taxes on the richest. you can do a hundred other things that benefit the rich, subsidies, slash capital gains......etc

but those arent examples of supply-side


idiot

 

[Dad2three]

the Clinton years: supply-side economics

libs are losers who lie to themselves

FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’


The Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 are scheduled to expire at the end of the year, and President Obama, just as he did on the campaign trail, has proposed renewing the cuts for all but those in the highest two income tax brackets, allowing tax rates for the wealthiest two percent of Americans to reset to the rate at which they were under President Clinton.

Republicans, however, want to renew all of the cuts, and have been apoplectic about Obama’s plan, claiming that it will kill jobs and cripple small businesses. “This is about stopping a job-killing tax hike on small businesses during tough economic times,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT). “You can’t raise taxes in the middle of a weak economy without risking a double dip in the recession,” said House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH).



...Here is just some of the rhetoric employed by Republicans in 1993 to fearmonger about Clinton’s tax increases (there’s more below the fold):




Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), February 2, 1993: We have all too many people in the Democratic administration who are talking about bigger Government, bigger bureaucracy, more programs, and higher taxes. I believe that that will in fact kill the current recovery and put us back in a recession. It might take 1 1/2 or 2 years, but it will happen. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bill Archer (R-TX), May 24, 1993: I would much rather be here today supporting the President and I would do so if his proposals could expect to increase jobs and the standard of living for Americans, but I believe his massive tax increases will do just the opposite. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-GA), July 13, 1993: Small businesses generate the bulk of this Nation’s new jobs. And they will be the hardest hit by the Clinton tax-and-spend budget. Because, when you raise taxes, you kill jobs. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Christopher Cox (R-CA), May, 27, 1993: This is really the Dr. Kevorkian plan for our economy. It will kill jobs, kill businesses, and yes, kill even the higher tax revenues that these suicidal tax increasers hope to gain. (Congressional Record, 1993, Page: H2949)


FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’


SURE BUBBA, SURE

Got it. Clinton had 22+ million new jobs, increasing wealth at almost all areas, but my defending Clinton on NAFTA, which 60% of Dems in Congress voted against, and me calling Clinton the best conservative Prez since Ike, make me" dishonest defense of Clinton" the issue. No fukkn critical thinking or honesty required to be a conservative today

BTW, Yeah it was luck, not his GOOD GOV'T POLICY (like vetoing the GOP's $700+ billion tax cut after HIS first balanced budget.

...cs

Yes. Clinton was lucky enough to take office in the beginning of an economic upturn.

That does not change the fact the long standing Free Trade Policies and Globalization were still taking effect moving manufacturing jobs out of the country despite the overall job growth.

YOur reference to Clinton as the "best conservative Prez" is irrelevant spin.

Yes, the dems in congress did try to mostly vote against NAFTA, but the democratic President signed it, not vetoed it.

Reviving American Manufacturing

Wow. THat'sa great graph.

I love the way it makes no distinction between one term presidents and two term presidents.


Who is Bill Foster and why should I trust his numbers?

Differentiate 1 term and 2? lol

Note the red (GOPers versus blue (Dems)? Hmm wonder if theior ideology like Gov't policy matters?




So NO, you can't refute his numbers *from BLS). Thanks anyways Bubba

You know bedowin is crushing you so badly, i don't feel there is much for me to do here.

lol Sure Bubba, sure. I guess in right wing world, "crushing" means something totally different than in the real world


I'll acknowledge YOU can't give me even ONE POLICY conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history. Submission accepted!

 

[Dad2three]

you're trying to defend your position based on the statements of people you insist havent been on the right side of ANYTHING "IN HISTORY"??

GOT IT, THANKS

dismissed

Did I say conservatives OR GOP statements? Thanks for playing Bubs

 

[bedowin62]

arent you forgetting about something leftard?

the DOT-COM REVOLUTION.

supply-side

Oh right sorry, in conservative/GOP "reality" NO US Prez policy goes beyond his term in office (that's why Obama gets stuck with ALL debt by Dubya's policies Jan 20th 2009 FORWARD),, , EXCEPT Super Reagan who was responsible for 18+ years of economic activity. lol

your Party voted for bush's policies WHEN BUSH WAS PRESIDENT, ACTUAL reality reveals that idiot.

also ACTUAL REALITY reveals one Senator obama voted for them
and ACTUAL REALITY ALSO SHOWS DEMOCRATS KEPT VOTING FOR THEM LONG AFTER BUSH WAS GONE

SO YES IDIOT; it would be fair to say bush's policies went "beyond his term in office". DEMS SAW TO THAT

what a loser you are

 

[bedowin62]

when you're talking bout the policies of sombody else and claim to be against them

you ought to be able to show where you mindless moron

 

[Dad2three]

obama lost MILLIONS OF JOBS over and above what was lost under Bush; before things started to get better. and they started to get better when there more Republicans elected to Congress

Yep, Dubya lost 10 million jobs his last couple years, Obama lost 4 million his first 9 months of inheriting Dubya's economy. But electing Repugs got the economy going again? lol. PLEASE give me bills they passed that did it? lol

i can give you the bills obama passed that were Republican bills; like THE BUSH TAX CUTS; ALL OF THEM, IDIOT, EVEN FOR THE HIGHEST BRACKETS. OBAMA EXTENDED THEM, even though he still had Dem majorities in BOTH chambers of Congress. then he made 98% OF THEM PERMANENT

thanks for playing though idiot

So NO, you can't give me a law the GOP passed that CHANGED to help the economy. All smoke and mirrors like usual with YOU Bubs

 

[bedowin62]

DUH

it's not hard to see policies go "beyond" somebody's term when both sides are voting for them, continuing them


lol you're making a fool of yourself!!