Why aren't more people Libertarian?

[beagle9]

Well I'd certainly be in favor of eliminating intellectual property laws all together.

You mean the only hope any small time innovator has of making the big time? We have most of those laws because of Thomas Edison who stole more inventions than he ever came up with himself, no I am suggesting that companies may not hold patents and copyrights for decades as they do now just because they managed to beat the original inventor out of them.

I'm not interested in allowing any monopolies. Intellectual property makes no sense, and confers a monopoly on an idea. Our economy would be better off if everybody was constantly having to innovate rather than being able to rest on their laurels.

Protections should exist, but have an expiration date that makes sense..

 

[jillian]

Well I'd certainly be in favor of eliminating intellectual property laws all together.

You mean the only hope any small time innovator has of making the big time? We have most of those laws because of Thomas Edison who stole more inventions than he ever came up with himself, no I am suggesting that companies may not hold patents and copyrights for decades as they do now just because they managed to beat the original inventor out of them.

I'm not interested in allowing any monopolies. Intellectual property makes no sense, and confers a monopoly on an idea. Our economy would be better off if everybody was constantly having to innovate rather than being able to rest on their laurels.

someone who creates a work... only has their intellectual property to sell.

why would a libertarian want to steal their work product?

you really need to educate yourself and grow up a little

 

[Paulie]

I have read on the subject for many years, enough to know that there is nothing simple about it. Simply talking about libertarianism comprises more than just the stunted American version that is mostly made up of clueless teabaggers and embarrassed republicans.

Just the fact that you think the ideology is comprised mostly of tea partiers and embarrassed republicans shows me that your knowledge doesn't expand far beyond whatever you've learned about it on TV.

Before the Tea Party movement, MOST republicans couldn't stand libertariansm. After Ron Paul took off like he did, all the sudden it was cool to be libertarian.

You really lost points with that last sentence my man

Yeah I bet your so called libertarianism ends just as soon as someone offends your sense of decency, the debate over allowing mosques to build on "sacred ground" or just allowing a strip club or casino in your town puts the lie to most self described libertarians.

I couldn't care less where someone wants to build a mosque or a strip club. You're confusing libertarians with retarded ass republicans again.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Lol yeah because today's liberal is a TOTAL subscriber to the idea of "free will"

Gee.....who's telling who they can't smoke Pot??????
(....LONG before Libertarians came on-board!!!)

Check & MATE!!!!!

You need to hijack someone else's agenda.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Lol yeah because today's liberal is a TOTAL subscriber to the idea of "free will"

I can't buy a damned beer on Sunday here because conservatives are just so damned freedom loving.

Bingo!!​

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Are you talking about here in America? It's hard to say because as I explained even left-libertarians have many different ideologies concerning government, business, socialism, private property and so forth. It is a very broad area that I suspect you have not really investigated, do some reading on it and come back with a meaningful question.

No, you say European libertarianism is different from American libertarianism. I'm asking you if you can give me the names of some European libertarians that I can look into. It would appear that you're having difficulty with this simple request.

Here are a few for you: Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Jörg Guido Hülsmann, Gerard Casey, and Jesús Huerta de Soto. All European libertarians, but in the Rothbardian tradition. Not whatever it is you're trying to pass off as libertarianism.

It appears you have me at a disadvantage here as I have only general knowledge on the subject but your hair splitting impresses me not. It is also important to note that believers in your particular brand are jealous of the label and usually just refer to these people generally as anarchists making little distinction between them.

Can we be blamed if we're jealous of our descriptors? After all, we used to be liberals, and considered on the left of the spectrum. Now those terms mean something else entirely. As for you not being impressed by my knowledge of libertarianism, well, I wasn't particularly impressed with your attempting to lecture on a subject with which you're not very familiar. As for us just lumping everyone as anarchists, look in this thread. That's what people do to us.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

randians aren't libertarians. that's why.

barry goldwater is rolling over in his grave

Correct. Randians are objectivists.

Barry Goldwater, the great warmonger, wasn't a libertarian either.

even ayn rand wasn't a randian.

randians are just absurd and want us to live in a dickensian world.

again...being a libertarian doesn't mean one is stupid and naive about foreign relations.

nor does it mean that they distort the meaning of the constitution and pretend 200 years of caselaw doesn't exist.

see how that works.

Ayn Rand was a Randian. She was the cult leader of the objectivists. And again, objectivists (Randians as you call them) are not the same as libertarians.

Again, you don't get to define libertarianism. Just because you think a libertarian should believe a certain thing doesn't mean that that's what we have to believe. We'll define our ideology, and let you define yours.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I have read on the subject for many years, enough to know that there is nothing simple about it. Simply talking about libertarianism comprises more than just the stunted American version that is mostly made up of clueless teabaggers and embarrassed republicans.

Just the fact that you think the ideology is comprised mostly of tea partiers and embarrassed republicans shows me that your knowledge doesn't expand far beyond whatever you've learned about it on TV.

Before the Tea Party movement, MOST republicans couldn't stand libertariansm. After Ron Paul took off like he did, all the sudden it was cool to be libertarian.

You really lost points with that last sentence my man

Yeah I bet your so called libertarianism ends just as soon as someone offends your sense of decency, the debate over allowing mosques to build on "sacred ground" or just allowing a strip club or casino in your town puts the lie to most self described libertarians.

I guess Libertarians are much-too-busy patching holes (in the street), in-front-of their houses (you know....gettin' all self-reliant), to notice!!

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

My general knowledge is still plenty to debate the subject, maybe you need to eat some turkey, watch some football and turn down the pointless rage for a while.

I don't think it's plenty at all. I've seen enough of people thinking they know libertarians and libertarianism while actually displaying that they don't really have a clue, to accept that someone with "general knowledge" has any credibility in the debate.

The crazy thing is, you have only general knowledge but were the first to reply to the OP. I get the idea that a lot of you are fascinated with the ideology because it's different than what you see on TV everyday from either side of the aisle. But that difference frightens you.

I have read on the subject for many years, enough to know that there is nothing simple about it. Simply talking about libertarianism comprises more than just the stunted American version that is mostly made up of clueless teabaggers and embarrassed republicans.

So what have you read on the subject? Obviously not Hoppe, Hulsmann, Casey, or de Soto. Rothbard? Nock? Chodorov? Mises? Hell, Friedman? Hayek?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Lol yeah because today's liberal is a TOTAL subscriber to the idea of "free will"

I can't buy a damned beer on Sunday here because conservatives are just so damned freedom loving.

Pointing out that conservatives aren't libertarians has what to do with this discussion?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I have read on the subject for many years, enough to know that there is nothing simple about it. Simply talking about libertarianism comprises more than just the stunted American version that is mostly made up of clueless teabaggers and embarrassed republicans.

Just the fact that you think the ideology is comprised mostly of tea partiers and embarrassed republicans shows me that your knowledge doesn't expand far beyond whatever you've learned about it on TV.

Before the Tea Party movement, MOST republicans couldn't stand libertariansm. After Ron Paul took off like he did, all the sudden it was cool to be libertarian.

You really lost points with that last sentence my man

Yeah I bet your so called libertarianism ends just as soon as someone offends your sense of decency, the debate over allowing mosques to build on "sacred ground" or just allowing a strip club or casino in your town puts the lie to most self described libertarians.

Go do a search for the "Ground Zero Mosque" threads. I don't recall if Paulie posted in them or not, so I won't speak for him, but I know you'll find me in plenty of them discussing how property rights gives them the right to build their mosque in that location.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

You mean the only hope any small time innovator has of making the big time? We have most of those laws because of Thomas Edison who stole more inventions than he ever came up with himself, no I am suggesting that companies may not hold patents and copyrights for decades as they do now just because they managed to beat the original inventor out of them.

I'm not interested in allowing any monopolies. Intellectual property makes no sense, and confers a monopoly on an idea. Our economy would be better off if everybody was constantly having to innovate rather than being able to rest on their laurels.

someone who creates a work... only has their intellectual property to sell.

why would a libertarian want to steal their work product?

you really need to educate yourself and grow up a little

Are your condescension and insults evidence of your grown up maturity? If so, I think I'll pass.

 

[Contumacious]

nor does it mean that they distort the meaning of the constitution and pretend 200 years of caselaw doesn't exist.

see how that works.

You are right again MS Jill. Impressive.

But, Remind me again, which CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISO allows the Supreme Court, an entity which was itself created by the constitution, to amend the same via case law.

Awaiting your response I remain

Your admirer always

Contumacious Libertarian Freeman

 

[occupied]

Lol yeah because today's liberal is a TOTAL subscriber to the idea of "free will"

I can't buy a damned beer on Sunday here because conservatives are just so damned freedom loving.

Pointing out that conservatives aren't libertarians has what to do with this discussion?

It has everything to do with it as I already said that most of you government haters have no problem with using it for your own extraordinarily narrow purposes. If you don't want to be continually lumped in with the pretenders then it is what passes for the libertarian party's fault for trying to broaden their base among the hillbilly retards. I live in a southern state where they hate the federal government but they love to outlaw things that harm no one. This is your new libertarian party and it is a massive hypocritical joke.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I can't buy a damned beer on Sunday here because conservatives are just so damned freedom loving.

Pointing out that conservatives aren't libertarians has what to do with this discussion?

It has everything to do with it as I already said that most of you government haters have no problem with using it for your own extraordinarily narrow purposes. If you don't want to be continually lumped in with the pretenders then it is what passes for the libertarian party's fault for trying to broaden their base among the hillbilly retards. I live in a southern state where they hate the federal government but they love to outlaw things that harm no one. This is your new libertarian party and it is a massive hypocritical joke.

I wasn't aware the Libertarian Party was in power in any states. Which one is it?

 

[Desperado]

The majority of people cannot think for themselves
The majority of people cannot stand up for themselves
The majority of people are afraid of freedom and liberty.
Simply because the majority of people are mental midgets.

 

[PredFan]

Many many people are Libertarian, they just don't realize it.

I've been libertarian since I was a kid. I just never knew it was a political ideology until I started getting interested in politics. I've never liked authority, and have never gone with the herd.

I like the idea of being free to do what I want as long as it's at no one else's expense. I don't understand what's so crazy about that.

Same, I was Libertarian before I'd ever heard of it.

The OP is correct, the party's detractors simply don't understand what being Libertarian is.

 

[PredFan]

Many many people are Libertarian, they just don't realize it.

I've been libertarian since I was a kid. I just never knew it was a political ideology until I started getting interested in politics. I've never liked authority, and have never gone with the herd.

I like the idea of being free to do what I want as long as it's at no one else's expense. I don't understand what's so crazy about that.

The problem is the one's that WILL take freedom at someone else's expense. For the system to work politically it would require a basic shift in human nature. In that regard, it's a lot like Marxism. Nobody likes to be told what to do and in that regard, we're all libertarians. The problem comes in the nuts and bolts of actual living and governing. No regulation inevitably means that a number of the strong will prey on the weak. The solution is to make sure regulation does what it's supposed to do, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Perfect example right here. Konrad actually believes that Libertarians want no government regulation.

How do we get through to these people?

 

[Paulie]

Lol yeah because today's liberal is a TOTAL subscriber to the idea of "free will"

Gee.....who's telling who they can't smoke Pot??????
(....LONG before Libertarians came on-board!!!)

Check & MATE!!!!!

You need to hijack someone else's agenda.​

I don't really need to list all the things you liberals restrict, do I?

 

[PredFan]

Lol yeah because today's liberal is a TOTAL subscriber to the idea of "free will"

I can't buy a damned beer on Sunday here because conservatives are just so damned freedom loving.

Pointing out that conservatives aren't libertarians has what to do with this discussion?

Everyone left and right is totally confused when it comes to the LP. I've been fighting that stuff for decades, they never seem to get it.