Why are you against universal health care?

[Hector12]

Government ran anything turns out to be a disaster and throwing more money at a problem doesn't fix anything it just means more bureaucracy.

That is only true for some programs, like The War on Poverty.

The War on Poverty After 50 Years

Social Security and Medicare are popular with the voters because they are well run.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

That is only true for some programs, like The War on Poverty.

The War on Poverty After 50 Years

Social Security and Medicare are popular with the voters because they are well run.

Yeah they are run great.

Medicare and Social Security Are Responsible for 100 Percent of US Unfunded Obligations

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why are you opposed to universal healtPoor [eop;ehcare for all Americans?

Why are you opposed to universal healthcare for all Americans?

Poor people may get treatment and that is un ameican

 

[Captain Caveman]

Many Yanks have weird thoughts when it comes to health-care

 

[Hector12]

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Many Yanks have weird thoughts when it comes to health-care

The truth remains that countries with socialized medicine get better results for less money.

 

[Darlo kittu]

And how the hell do you big government libs plan to pay for this ridiculous idea?

Even CA gave up on their version of Medicare for all when they saw the cost

We have Obozocare which was called The Affordable Healthcare Act. What the hell is affordable?

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Hafar1014]

The truth remains that countries with socialized medicine get better results for less money.

100% false they get poor care and it costs more. The NHS in the UK is collapsing. ITs broke wait times are in months and years, Drs leaving in large numbers, they got one raise in 15 years, zero mental health for children.

 

[Hector12]

That is outrageous, but socialized medicine still gets better results than the American system for less money.

 

[Hafar1014]

That is outrageous, but socialized medicine still gets better results than the American system for less money.

It costs more and the care is poor wait times are in months even years

 

[dblack]

That is outrageous, but socialized medicine still gets better results than the American system for less money.

All these kinds of claims are based on aggregate spending, or sometimes even just government spending. And I don't give a **** about how other people are spending their money. It's none of my business. Just as my health care spending is none of theirs. Collectivism blows.

 

[Hector12]

100% false they get poor care and it costs more. The NHS in the UK is collapsing. ITs broke wait times are in months and years, Drs leaving in large numbers, they got one raise in 15 years, zero mental health for children.

The United States Spends More on Healthcare per Person than Other Wealthy Countries​

U.S. healthcare spending per capita is twice the average of other wealthy countries​

Healthcare Costs per Capita ($)
United States $14,885
Switzerland $9,963
Germany $9,365
Netherlands $8,436
Sweden $7,871
Ireland $7,813
Belgium $7,750
Australia $7,469

France $7,354
Canada $7,301
United Kingdom $6,747
Japan $5,790
Italy $5,164
Korea $4,797
Source: Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development

Does Higher Spending Lead to Better Outcomes?​

Higher healthcare spending can be beneficial if it results in better health outcomes. However, despite higher healthcare spending, America’s health outcomes are not any better than those in other developed countries. The United States actually performs worse in some common health metrics like life expectancy, infant mortality, unmanaged diabetes, and safety during childbirth.

How Does the U.S. Healthcare System Compare to Other Countries?

Despite higher healthcare spending, America’s health outcomes are not any better than those in other developed countries.

www.pgpf.org

 

[Hafar1014]

The United States Spends More on Healthcare per Person than Other Wealthy Countries​

U.S. healthcare spending per capita is twice the average of other wealthy countries​

Healthcare Costs per Capita ($)
United States $14,885
Switzerland $9,963
Germany $9,365
Netherlands $8,436
Sweden $7,871
Ireland $7,813
Belgium $7,750
Australia $7,469

France $7,354
Canada $7,301
United Kingdom $6,747
Japan $5,790
Italy $5,164
Korea $4,797
Source: Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development

Does Higher Spending Lead to Better Outcomes?​

Higher healthcare spending can be beneficial if it results in better health outcomes. However, despite higher healthcare spending, America’s health outcomes are not any better than those in other developed countries. The United States actually performs worse in some common health metrics like life expectancy, infant mortality, unmanaged diabetes, and safety during childbirth.

How Does the U.S. Healthcare System Compare to Other Countries?

Despite higher healthcare spending, America’s health outcomes are not any better than those in other developed countries.

www.pgpf.org

Yes do you know why a BMW costs more than a Fiat? Its better. America has the best healthcare in the world.
Its costs more when its the government. For example the NHS in the UK is broke. When you figure costs did you include the 15% VAT tax and lower standard of living?

 

[JohnDB]

That is outrageous, but socialized medicine still gets better results than the American system for less money.

So killing/murdering patients is a better result?

I dont think you really understand what you are saying.

In Canada, instead of doctors and doctor groups selling themselves to patients the reverse is true. Patients have to sell themselves to doctors so they will agree to see you.

And the biggest issue with healthcare in the USA is government involvement and the need for tort reform (Congress being unwilling) ....(lawsuits for unwanted results despite doctors and nursing staff doing everything correctly)

 

[Hector12]

Yes do you know why a BMW costs more than a Fiat? Its better. America has the best healthcare in the world.
Its costs more when its the government. For example the NHS in the UK is broke. When you figure costs did you include the 15% VAT tax and lower standard of living?

We also get worse results. This can also be seen in our lower life expectancy, our higher rates of infant and maternal mortality.

People with low wage jobs rarely have insurance policies at work. They cannot afford to pay for insurance themselves.

 

[Captain Caveman]

America has the best healthcare in the world.

The US is 15th whilst spending the most -

The Best Healthcare in the World: Country Rankings

Discover the countries with the best healthcare in 2024 and learn about the key factors that make Italy, Singapore, and Iceland top the list.

www.internationalinsurance.com

 

[Captain Caveman]

That is outrageous, but socialized medicine still gets better results than the American system for less money.

As you might know, the UK has both the NHS and a private insurance system, plus you can mix both. So for example, I needed an MRI scan on my back but it was going to take 5 weeks or so. So I paid £500 for the scan and was scanned the next day. I would have waited, no rush, but it was just £500. So seeing the doctor before the scan was NHS, I sped up the scan, then everything afterwards was NHS. And the scan was done at the..........NHS hospital.

I was off work for a few months, and touch wood, 22 years later I've still not needed an operation.

And the beauty of the above, impossible for me to go bankrupt over medical costs.

Edit : On my Aviva app that I use for my private pension, I can get a private healthcare insurance quote -

 

[Greenbeard]

Judging by the GOP's hearing this week, a bipartisan pro-single-payer consensus is emerging.

Big Insurers Try to Shift Blame for High Health Costs to Hospitals and Drug Makers

Members of both parties slammed the insurers on several grounds, including their high executive compensation and their widespread practice of denials and delays in paying for patients’ care. Even amid sparring over whether the Affordable Care Act plays a role in contributing to higher premiums and out-of-pocket expenses, the panels’ Republicans and Democrats expressed widespread agreement that the insurers had failed to contain costs.

“There is not one single American I have met that believes health insurers are effective at lowering costs,” said Representative Jason Smith, the Republican from Missouri who chairs the House Ways and Means Committee.

“Premiums are rising — patients are struggling to afford care,” said Representative Buddy Carter, the Georgia Republican and pharmacist who is a member of the health panel under the House Energy and Commerce committee. He also pointed to the high annual compensation of executives at CVS Health, including David Joyner, its current chief executive, who was paid $17 million in 2024.

The hearings were held against the backdrop of the decision by the Republican-controlled Congress to allow the expiration of generous subsidies under Obamacare, doubling or even tripling costs for millions of people. And the hearings were influenced by the spike in annual insurance rates for the privately insured — 180 million people in the United States rely on an employer to provide their insurance. They are confronting steep increases in the cost of coverage and in how much they will have to pay directly for medical bills.

 

[kevinthrowe]

You're not here to pay my bills, I'm not here to pay yours.

Have you figured the amount we each pay for the others health insurance?
We cover the cost of every federal employee’s health insurance.
We pay for the health insurance of every state employee.
We pay the health insurance for the military.
We pay for every uninsured person going to the ER.
most books show these cost along would cover universal healthcare.
Remove the 39,000 ish people in the health loop who do not do healthcare and the savings are great.