Why are the Trumpsters so hung up on BLM?

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Having the majority of the country made up of criminal minorities is the problem. When white people are the minority, they wont suddenly have sky rocketing crime statistics. The crime will come from the new majority, aka blacks and hispanics, just like now, but worse because there will be more of you, in theory

Caucasians won't become a minority in our lifetime. This is a baseless fear contrived by winger fantasy. In addition, your silly theory is that even if Caucasians become a minority, they won't commit crime. Huh. That's some Cult45 logic right there!

They told you not to eat the lead paint chips, but you did what you wanted, huh?

So I choose to eat them rather then huff it like you crackers. What's it to you, cousin humper?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I'd like to see American Blacks separate themselves from White Liberals -- who have done little but coddle and lower standards for them over the last three generations -- and take this lead on this issue. White Liberals and White Nationalists/Trumpsters sure as hell aren't going to do it.

Let's have Black leaders from politics and popular culture challenge American Blacks to hold their own accountable for the biggest problems that they are facing today: Black on black crime, gangs and Black crime in general, commitment to higher education standards within families, fatherless children, thug culture.

And while they're doing that, they're challenging the Right to clean their own house by being brave enough to marginalize these nutter talk radio Trumpster types who are engaging in and/or blatantly enabling the blazingly obvious racism that still exists. Shame them into doing it by showing them how it's done.

I'm not expecting you to agree. But that's what I'd like to see, that's what I'm talking about.

Interesting...

To quickly address your views on a high level.

1. Separate themselves from white liberals and take the lead.
And run to white conservatives who are openly hostile in word and deed to the black community?

Blacks have taken the lead. Please explain how you view them as not?

2. Let's have black on leaders from politics and popular culture challenge American blacks to hold their own accountable for the biggest problem they are facing today: black on black crime.

There's so much wrong here, I almost don't know where to begin.
Who are the white leaders in politics and popular culture?
Blacks are, and have been, holding their own accountable for generations in this country. You even had President Barack Obama chastise a group of graduating students with a "pull your pants up" speech, which was very offensive, not to mention unnecessary. These were the brothers already doing the right thing. Let's not forget Bill Cosby version of "pull your pants up", another offensive and unnecessary thing to do. Look up "respectability politics" and come back with your findings. Lastly, what's the percentage of "Black on black crime?" I've been living in predominantly all black communities for all my life and I haven't experienced the carnage you and your ilk seem to believe is a reality. There's crime in the world, it will always be there. Crime tends to be more prevalent in poor communities. Due to America's racist history blacks have been relegated to those poor communities, I'd start by addressing poverty first more than anything. And "Black leaders", of all stripes, have been SCREAMING that for generations.

3. Shame [the right] by showing them how it's done.

Are you fletching kidding me?!?!?? Blacks have been doing this for generations. It has no affect on them as they have no shame. They simply double down on their offense. As you can see clearly demonstrated in this thread and hundreds others right here on USMB.

Can you recognize how your "suggestions" and/or viewpoint can be seen as offensive?

I have never seen you vilify black on black crime here but you do request reparations frequently.

how do you vilify black on black crime?? isn't crime in and of itself vilified? or do you feel black on black crime should be counted as extra extra crime?

It should have as much vitriol as white on black crime but the media seems to concentrate on that. You knew that but decided to play coy anyway. Weak sauce.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

They sure do attack that group a lot. Looks like they're trying to make anyone who is against white nationalism a member or supporter of the group.

Do they know that the phrase and the group are not necessarily the same things? Who knows.

My assumption is that they want to use the group BLM as the boogeyman so that they don't have to examine their own role in our race issues.

BLM is funded by Democrats. You need to cleanse your party of commies.

Seriously. I would actually consider Democrats if there were not 10 commies for every ACTUAL liberal in the party.

but don't democrats hate black people??

Why would they fund a group claiming to value the lives of black people?? in fact, they go so far as to say that black lives matter

Shouldn't Democrats, being the racists they are fund groups who oppose the concept of black lives mattering? You know, like the groups you support

Because the group gives not one single **** about "black people."

It's a communist, rabble-rouser organization, ACCORDING TO THE FOUNDER HERSELF!!!

Like I said, I may actually consider becoming a Democrat if it were not OVERRUN by communist/marxist twats, and was full of ACTUAL liberals (which I am).

What happened to that party? For the love of chupacabra taint.

Chupacabra is one thing..Chupacabra taint is another.

I am running out of creative ways to express the true level of my complete exasperation with these commie chameleons pretending they are not commies.

Commie Chameleon, Boy George is singing your song.

Commie Commie Commie Commie
Commie Chameleon

Still waiting for one of you cucks to talk about the policies......not your personality flaws...

DUDE!!!!

I GAVE YOU THE ANSWER!!!

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I have never seen you vilify black on black crime here but you do request reparations frequently.

Give an example.

You ask for reparations and cry racism. You never complain that people don’t care about black kids dying in Chicago. If I am wrong link me to a post that shows you do. Thanks.

 

[Shelzin]

I still find it odd that people think being offended by something as some sort of reason as to not to say your own opinion. Truth if you will.

Remember when Republicans were running around the media claiming offense to every and anything Barack and/or Michelle Obama did or said during those 8 or 9 years they were prominent in the media? Was this the case then as well?

Yes.

Do you support Marxism?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

When you say "ignoring black on black crime", what exactly do you mean? What should they be doing instead? I mean tangibly. What's your definition of ignoring?

Not addressing it honestly and comprehensively. Concentrating virtually all attention and efforts on white on black crime. Deflecting away from it when it's brought up.

Those are exactly the tactics used by the other end of the spectrum for their own misdeeds. I don't know how it could be more clear.

This doesn't get fixed unless and until both ends of this stop pointing the finger and start holding their own side accountable. This is an example.

Probably because bringing it up as a deflection to BLM is not very conducive to an honest conversation.

The problem is that it's not avoided only in BLM conversations. It's avoided most of the time.

This is a real problem and it's not being addressed by those who should be addressing it.

Its addressed. Just because you dont know about it doesnt mean its not being addressed. So what exactly do you think should be done that isnt being done? Be specific.

I don't see anyone from the Left talking about it on the national stage. I don't see black leaders addressing it regularly. I don't see Democrats addressing it.

All I see is them pointing the finger in one direction. That doesn't make what they're saying wrong, but they're CHOOSING to look at only HALF the picture.

So you want dems to talk about it more often? Anything else specifically that you think is not being done and should be done?

I'll try to answer your question, but do me a favor in good faith, and tell me: You can't really think of anything?

Theres only on thing I can think of thats not being done and that is going to take more than the "Dems".

I'd like to see American Blacks separate themselves from White Liberals -- who have done little but coddle and lower standards for them over the last three generations -- and take this lead on this issue. White Liberals and White Nationalists/Trumpsters sure as hell aren't going to do it.

Let's have Black leaders from politics and popular culture challenge American Blacks to hold their own accountable for the biggest problems that they are facing today: Black on black crime, gangs and Black crime in general, commitment to higher education standards within families, fatherless children, thug culture.

And while they're doing that, they're challenging the Right to clean their own house by being brave enough to marginalize these nutter talk radio Trumpster types who are engaging in and/or blatantly enabling the blazingly obvious racism that still exists. Shame them into doing it by showing them how it's done.

I'm not expecting you to agree. But that's what I'd like to see, that's what I'm talking about.

When Black leaders take the lead publicly they mysteriously tend to get assassinated and or condemned as racists.

Like I said just because you havent researched or been told what Blacks are doing for themselves doesnt mean there is no action on that front. Blacks do a lot of things that dont get attention unless someone wants to spin up a race angle.

You asked, I answered.

I asked for specific things that were not being done. Have you come up with anything yet?

I just did.

Never mind. You win. Don't do a thing.

I think he is saying that what you said is already being done....

They just don't have a PR campaign to inform you about it......but they exist...

and isn't Candace Owen, Jesse Lee Peterson, Larry Elders, Thomas Sewell -- aren't they black leaders?? Aren't they saying what you want to be said to black folks??

Jesse Lee Peterson even has an actual organization supposedly dedicated to doing what you said -- but for some reason -- I never hear you folks from the "someone needs to tell those blacks how to act" camp mention these organizations.....

Its almost like you folks just say this shit as a platitude response

Can you read this link???

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I still find it odd that people think being offended by something as some sort of reason as to not to say your own opinion. Truth if you will.

Remember when Republicans were running around the media claiming offense to every and anything Barack and/or Michelle Obama did or said during those 8 or 9 years they were prominent in the media? Was this the case then as well?

Give an example or a link. You’re in violation of board rules.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

by the way.....so people don't forget.....these are the founders of Black Lives Matter....
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Should the FBI arrest them?

Yeah because I think one of them recently was on a pod cast admitting that it's not about black lives at all, but a Marxist ideological revolution.

Tell me a Marxist policy they wish to implement?

Doing away with qualified immunity, no-knock warrants?

Oh let me guess, they wanna go full Stalin and expand Medicare so all people can have it? Yea, that is scary.....

Far scarier than trying to take away healthcare during a pandemic with ZERO REPLACEMENT

There is a reason why you morons have to resort to fear mongering -- because when it comes to policies....the majority of the country is AGAINST YOU -- you have no place else to go but to fearmonger and "otherize" any person of color who doesn't buckdance for your approval...

Ask the co founder of BLM what Marxist policies she wants to implement. She was the one saying she supports a Marxist revolution..not me.

You don't know what they are but you are afraid anyway.....cool.....


So you should also be against the way we calculate production value right? You know, the value of a product equals the means of production plus the time of labor....that's Marxism....


So again...what Marxist policies is BLM supporting? Can you name one?

Wtf ever, Excess Labor Value theory dumbass. (You are a Marxist)

So you are another person who can't name a single policy....got it

CLICK ON THIS LINK FOR A SINGLE POLICY....

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Why are the Trumpsters so hung up on BLM?

Maybe because they are destroying our cities and spreading Covid 19.....dumb ass question....

Dumb ass answer.

Dumb ass liberal....covid up among young protest participants....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Some members of the Washington, DC, National Guard—deployed over the past 2 weeks of protests and civil unrest in the wake of the George Floyd murder—have tested positive for COVID-19, a National Guard spokesperson confirmed with McClatchy news services yesterday, and US cases today topped 2 million.

One example doesn't prove your stupid assertion by a long shot.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

by the way.....so people don't forget.....these are the founders of Black Lives Matter....
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Should the FBI arrest them?

Yeah because I think one of them recently was on a pod cast admitting that it's not about black lives at all, but a Marxist ideological revolution.

Tell me a Marxist policy they wish to implement?

Doing away with qualified immunity, no-knock warrants?

Oh let me guess, they wanna go full Stalin and expand Medicare so all people can have it? Yea, that is scary.....

Far scarier than trying to take away healthcare during a pandemic with ZERO REPLACEMENT

There is a reason why you morons have to resort to fear mongering -- because when it comes to policies....the majority of the country is AGAINST YOU -- you have no place else to go but to fearmonger and "otherize" any person of color who doesn't buckdance for your approval...

Ask the co founder of BLM what Marxist policies she wants to implement. She was the one saying she supports a Marxist revolution..not me.

You don't know what they are but you are afraid anyway.....cool.....


So you should also be against the way we calculate production value right? You know, the value of a product equals the means of production plus the time of labor....that's Marxism....


So again...what Marxist policies is BLM supporting? Can you name one?

Wtf ever, Excess Labor Value theory dumbass. (You are a Marxist)

So you are another person who can't name a single policy....got it

You have nothing, and you never will until you get your ass to work.

Still waiting for you to name a policy.......

RIGHT HERE!!!

 

[MarcATL]

You ask for reparations and cry racism. You never complain that people don’t care about black kids dying in Chicago. If I am wrong link me to a post that shows you do. Thanks.

Since the OP was to chicken to fully go down this road, maybe you actually have the balls to.

Who do you believe are the people that don't care about children dying in Chicago?

Moreover, what do said dead children have to do with racism?

 

[MarcATL]

Yes.

Do you support Marxism?

What is Marxism? Seems like something from the past.

And did your logic apply to those Republicans claiming offense then as well, or nah?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Remember when Republicans were running around the media claiming offense to every and anything Barack and/or Michelle Obama did or said during those 8 or 9 years they were prominent in the media? Was this the case then as well?

Yes.

Do you support Marxism?

What is Marxism? Seems like something from the past.
[/QUOTE]
Do you support THESE STATED DEMANDS from BLM:
BLM Demands

Because, that shit.....IS MARXISM!!!

 

[Rambunctious]

Why are the Trumpsters so hung up on BLM?

Maybe because they are destroying our cities and spreading Covid 19.....dumb ass question....

Dumb ass answer.

Dumb ass liberal....covid up among young protest participants....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Some members of the Washington, DC, National Guard—deployed over the past 2 weeks of protests and civil unrest in the wake of the George Floyd murder—have tested positive for COVID-19, a National Guard spokesperson confirmed with McClatchy news services yesterday, and US cases today topped 2 million.

One example doesn't prove your stupid assertion by a long shot.

Spoken like a pure moron.....go ahead and protest...one less liberal is a good thing....

 

[Shelzin]

What is Marxism? Seems like something from the past.

That explains some things.

Marxism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Edit: Until such time as you can answer that question, I would suggest others to refrain from answering anything you ask, other than... Do you support Marxism?

You are a shit stirrer... I respect that. But ...

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Why are the Trumpsters so hung up on BLM?

Maybe because they are destroying our cities and spreading Covid 19.....dumb ass question....

Dumb ass answer.

Dumb ass liberal....covid up among young protest participants....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Some members of the Washington, DC, National Guard—deployed over the past 2 weeks of protests and civil unrest in the wake of the George Floyd murder—have tested positive for COVID-19, a National Guard spokesperson confirmed with McClatchy news services yesterday, and US cases today topped 2 million.

One example doesn't prove your stupid assertion by a long shot.

Spoken like a pure moron.....go ahead and protest...one less liberal is a good thing....

For ***** sake, you're colossally obtuse. I don't protest. Do you wear your mask at your Klan rallies?

 

[Asclepias]

When you say "ignoring black on black crime", what exactly do you mean? What should they be doing instead? I mean tangibly. What's your definition of ignoring?

Not addressing it honestly and comprehensively. Concentrating virtually all attention and efforts on white on black crime. Deflecting away from it when it's brought up.

Those are exactly the tactics used by the other end of the spectrum for their own misdeeds. I don't know how it could be more clear.

This doesn't get fixed unless and until both ends of this stop pointing the finger and start holding their own side accountable. This is an example.

Probably because bringing it up as a deflection to BLM is not very conducive to an honest conversation.

The problem is that it's not avoided only in BLM conversations. It's avoided most of the time.

This is a real problem and it's not being addressed by those who should be addressing it.

Its addressed. Just because you dont know about it doesnt mean its not being addressed. So what exactly do you think should be done that isnt being done? Be specific.

I don't see anyone from the Left talking about it on the national stage. I don't see black leaders addressing it regularly. I don't see Democrats addressing it.

All I see is them pointing the finger in one direction. That doesn't make what they're saying wrong, but they're CHOOSING to look at only HALF the picture.

So you want dems to talk about it more often? Anything else specifically that you think is not being done and should be done?

I'll try to answer your question, but do me a favor in good faith, and tell me: You can't really think of anything?

Theres only on thing I can think of thats not being done and that is going to take more than the "Dems".

I'd like to see American Blacks separate themselves from White Liberals -- who have done little but coddle and lower standards for them over the last three generations -- and take this lead on this issue. White Liberals and White Nationalists/Trumpsters sure as hell aren't going to do it.

Let's have Black leaders from politics and popular culture challenge American Blacks to hold their own accountable for the biggest problems that they are facing today: Black on black crime, gangs and Black crime in general, commitment to higher education standards within families, fatherless children, thug culture.

And while they're doing that, they're challenging the Right to clean their own house by being brave enough to marginalize these nutter talk radio Trumpster types who are engaging in and/or blatantly enabling the blazingly obvious racism that still exists. Shame them into doing it by showing them how it's done.

I'm not expecting you to agree. But that's what I'd like to see, that's what I'm talking about.

When Black leaders take the lead publicly they mysteriously tend to get assassinated and or condemned as racists.

Like I said just because you havent researched or been told what Blacks are doing for themselves doesnt mean there is no action on that front. Blacks do a lot of things that dont get attention unless someone wants to spin up a race angle.

You both seem to be doing a lot of tiptoeing around each other. If we don't see the action, how are we supposed to comment on it? You say things are being done behind the scenes and to take your word for it. That's not usually how I roll. I don't try and pretend the race angle isn't the elephant in the room

" If we don't see the action, how are we supposed to comment on it? "

Not sure what you mean by "we" and what would commenting on it do?

 

[Rambunctious]

Why are the Trumpsters so hung up on BLM?

Maybe because they are destroying our cities and spreading Covid 19.....dumb ass question....

Dumb ass answer.

Dumb ass liberal....covid up among young protest participants....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Some members of the Washington, DC, National Guard—deployed over the past 2 weeks of protests and civil unrest in the wake of the George Floyd murder—have tested positive for COVID-19, a National Guard spokesperson confirmed with McClatchy news services yesterday, and US cases today topped 2 million.

One example doesn't prove your stupid assertion by a long shot.

Spoken like a pure moron.....go ahead and protest...one less liberal is a good thing....

For ***** sake, you're colossally obtuse. I don't protest. Do you wear your mask at your Klan rallies?

Klan rallies???? Buuuaaahahahahahahahaha all I see are butthurt whiny BLM rallies/Riots.....what Klan rallies?.....LMFAO....TDS IS BAD.....

 

[Juicey Omelette]

Also in reference to OP's title. Not all who oppose BLM are "Trumpsters".

I didn't vote for Trump. Neither did many in the overwhelmingly lefty college town where I live.

However, most people I know personally..do not support BLM. Mainly because they do not support how BLM are going about trying to achieve their goals.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

When you say "ignoring black on black crime", what exactly do you mean? What should they be doing instead? I mean tangibly. What's your definition of ignoring?

Not addressing it honestly and comprehensively. Concentrating virtually all attention and efforts on white on black crime. Deflecting away from it when it's brought up.

Those are exactly the tactics used by the other end of the spectrum for their own misdeeds. I don't know how it could be more clear.

This doesn't get fixed unless and until both ends of this stop pointing the finger and start holding their own side accountable. This is an example.

Probably because bringing it up as a deflection to BLM is not very conducive to an honest conversation.

The problem is that it's not avoided only in BLM conversations. It's avoided most of the time.

This is a real problem and it's not being addressed by those who should be addressing it.

Its addressed. Just because you dont know about it doesnt mean its not being addressed. So what exactly do you think should be done that isnt being done? Be specific.

I don't see anyone from the Left talking about it on the national stage. I don't see black leaders addressing it regularly. I don't see Democrats addressing it.

All I see is them pointing the finger in one direction. That doesn't make what they're saying wrong, but they're CHOOSING to look at only HALF the picture.

So you want dems to talk about it more often? Anything else specifically that you think is not being done and should be done?

I'll try to answer your question, but do me a favor in good faith, and tell me: You can't really think of anything?

Theres only on thing I can think of thats not being done and that is going to take more than the "Dems".

I'd like to see American Blacks separate themselves from White Liberals -- who have done little but coddle and lower standards for them over the last three generations -- and take this lead on this issue. White Liberals and White Nationalists/Trumpsters sure as hell aren't going to do it.

Let's have Black leaders from politics and popular culture challenge American Blacks to hold their own accountable for the biggest problems that they are facing today: Black on black crime, gangs and Black crime in general, commitment to higher education standards within families, fatherless children, thug culture.

And while they're doing that, they're challenging the Right to clean their own house by being brave enough to marginalize these nutter talk radio Trumpster types who are engaging in and/or blatantly enabling the blazingly obvious racism that still exists. Shame them into doing it by showing them how it's done.

I'm not expecting you to agree. But that's what I'd like to see, that's what I'm talking about.

When Black leaders take the lead publicly they mysteriously tend to get assassinated and or condemned as racists.

Like I said just because you havent researched or been told what Blacks are doing for themselves doesnt mean there is no action on that front. Blacks do a lot of things that dont get attention unless someone wants to spin up a race angle.

You both seem to be doing a lot of tiptoeing around each other. If we don't see the action, how are we supposed to comment on it? You say things are being done behind the scenes and to take your word for it. That's not usually how I roll. I don't try and pretend the race angle isn't the elephant in the room

" If we don't see the action, how are we supposed to comment on it? "

Not sure what you mean by "we" and what would commenting on it do?

Allow for some sort of dialogue, for one.