Who Won The Government Shut Down?

[Independent thinker]

Republicans hold a 53-47 seat margin over Democrats which means they hold leadership positions including Senate Majority Leader, chair of all committees, and largely control the legislative agenda and floor schedule.

IN OTHER WORDS: Republicans control the Senate, House, White House, and SCOTUS.

They can't pass most things without 60 votes, which means they DON'T have control.

 

[Independent thinker]

For a reference, I posted this same poll on a very highly infected left wing forum and the result was most of them saying democrats caved and not one saying republicans caved.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

For a reference, I posted this same poll on a very highly infected left wing forum and the result was most of them saying democrats caved and not one saying republicans caved.

With neither being accurate, as both sides compromised.

 

[Independent thinker]

With neither being accurate, as both sides compromised.

LOL. Democrats are attacking the eight who strayed off course and "compromised" and are even calling for Schumer's head. None of that is happening on the right and Trump is even saying he loves the "compromise" and that the deal is "very good". LOL. Face it, you guys lost the shutdown fight.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

LOL. Democrats are attacking the eight who strayed off course and "compromised" and are even calling for Schumer's head. None of that is happening on the right. Face it, you guys lost the shutdown fight.

I know they are. I also know they are putting on theater for voters.

Doesn't change the simple fact that both sides compromised.

 

[Independent thinker]

I know they are. I also know they are putting on theater for voters.

Doesn't change the simple fact that both sides compromised.

LOL. It was 10% compromise from Republicans, 90% from democrats.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

LOL. It was 10% compromise from Republicans, 90% from democrats.

The only thing they wanted was a vote on the ACA credits, so they don't expire.

And they got that.

Unless the cult party reneges on its promise, as it usually does.

 

[Darkwind]

The only thing they wanted was a vote on the ACA credits, so they don't expire.

And they got that.

Unless the cult party reneges on its promise, as it usually does.

They had that without the shutdown.

What is wrong with you?

The crappy subsidies are set to expire in December. A vote one way or another was going to happen.

I think they should shift the vote from subsidies to dismantling the ACA.

It has been a complete disaster.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They had that without the shutdown.

No they didn't. This is nonsense. No, a vote on them is not required.

And in under 8 weeks, the credits expire.

Now negotiations begin to extend them. Make of that what you want. It is what it is.

 

[whitehall]

Is it over? The fact that some democrat senators may have crossed over is an indication that the Trump administration won. On the other hand the media always supports democrat agenda so it's likely that they will crown Schumer.

 

[blackhawk]

Me I won the office pool on when it would end got five hundred dollars.

 

[Darkwind]

No they didn't. This is nonsense. No, a vote on them is not required.

And in under 8 weeks, the credits expire.

Now negotiations begin to extend them. Make of that what you want. It is what it is.

Correct. At that time, they could have pushed for a vote. The GOP leadership is weak enough to actually cave into that for fear of bad press instead of asserting their majority as they should.

Regardless, it has always been the democrats whose word cannot be trusted, in anything.

That is why we have CRs to begin with. If Democrats were honest negotiators, all of this would be handled through appropriations, with deadlines set to create maximum pain if they don't get their way.

**** them and those who think that business as usual should be the norm. The right has backed down to the violence of the left long enough.

The ACA needs to be dismantled.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The GOP leadership is weak enough to actually cave into that for fear of bad press instead of asserting their majority as they should.

Well sure, they are hearing it from their own constituency. Of the 60 million who use one or the other program (SNAP, ACA), they are probably half republican (of those who vote). Good, that's how democracy works.

That is why we have CRs to begin with.

No, Republicans seeming terminal allergy to tabling budgets is why we have those.

 

[Darkwind]

Well sure, they are hearing it from their own constituency. Of the 60 million who use one or the other program (SNAP, ACA), they are probably half republican (of those who vote). Good, that's how democracy works.


No, Republicans seeming terminal allergy to tabling budgets is why we have those.

That is just outright and deliberately misleading.

The single greatest failure of government over the past century is getting 42 million people dependent upon SNAP and other food programs. That alone is criminal. And both sides are responsible for that.

I'll never understand the fucked up mentality that empathy is somehow valuable when dealing with OTHER people's money.

Empathy is for an individual to act in accordance with how immediate conditions influence their emotions.

Government subsidies and food programs are precisely the opposite of what compassion should be.

We don't give a line of cocaine to a drug addict or a bottle of vodka to an alcoholic. We can have empathy for their plight and disease, but we do NOT ENABLE THEM.

Food stamps and other government programs that allow citizens to create a lifestyle around these programs instead of a "TEMPORARY' safety net.

Any and EVERY government aid to the citizens MUST come with a retraining of the person to be self sustaining and indpendent of the government.

That is the ONLY justifiable compassion we should ever have.

Life is hard, everyone gets that. Sometimes, life deals people a hard blow. We all understand that too.

But government programs should ONLY help you get up, dust you off, and give you a small time frame to get your head and life right... But then you are EXPECTED AND REQUIRED to get back on your own feet and get back into the game.

It is YOUR life, and you are required to put out the effort to sustain it.

 

[Slade3200]

Time to vote. Let's see what everyone thinks. Maybe everyone will be in agreement.

It shouldn’t be a debate. When politicians put politics ahead of innocent people like both parties did here then everybody loses.

It’s like cheating to win a game. You may have gotten what you wanted but I dont consider it a real win. They should all be shamed

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The single greatest failure of government over the past century is getting 42 million people dependent upon SNAP and other food programs. That alone is criminal.

Thanks to 45 years of the Trickle Down Economics Lie.

 

[candycorn]

The good guys lost....as per usual.

 

[Darkwind]

Thanks to 45 years of the Trickle Down Economics Lie.

It wasn't the trickle-down that was the problem.

It was the lust for power, always found on the left. SNAP and other government programs are not designed for temporary help to a citizen. That is just the lie they tell the taxpayer.

These programs are vote-buying schemes to keep them in power.

 

[Darkwind]

The good guys lost....as per usual.

In case you missed it.

The Democrats are the bad guys.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Time to vote. Let's see what everyone thinks. Maybe everyone will be in agreement.

Looks like everyone agrees.

The Democrats got owned.