Seymour Flops
Diamond Member
Lot's to unpack, but first let's make sure we know what we are talking about. Here the man who can honestly be said to represent the Democratic Party thought process, Adam Schiff, asks how we can get farm work done if we deport illegals:
So, let's be sure we understand what Schiff is talking about when he says "farm labor." Remember the Steinbeck novel "Grapes of Wrath?" What those white migrant farm workers from Oklahoma went through is what current brown migrant farm workers from Mexico and other LA countries go through in California. Schiff is concerned that they night not be here to be exploited by farm owners, labor brokers and supervisory figures which in the old south were known as "overseers." I don't know what they're called now, but I imagine Schiff does, as he must worry who they will slavedrive to make sure we have plenty of avocadoes to make our guacamole.
In no particular order:
1) In Germany, they have legal migrant workers. The average farm worker makes nineteen Euros per hour. I'm sure there is roughly the same in the rest of Europe, but I know Germany. I lived in Germany for several years, and I don't remember seeing fifty dollar beets or any of the other outrages we are warned against. Why can they do it and not us?
American farmers are subsidized so that they have a guaranteed selling price for their products. When Trump gets other countries acting like partners instead of adversaries, our farmers will have a world wide market for their products, which are the best in the world. Why should the workers not share in that prosperity?
2) Schiff said that "it's estimated that perhaps half of California's farm workforce is undocumented." Given Schiff's propensity to lie at every turn, and his use of the passive voice instead of saying where that estimate comes from, it is safe to assume that it is much, much less than half. But let's pretend he's an honest person who provided a source for his statistic. If half are undocumented, then half are documented, by simple common sense. Do the undocumented half do all the work?
Of course not. Documented migrant workers, legal residents, and American citizens are perfectly capable of doing farm work. They ARE doing farm work, according to Adam Schiff's statement above. Why not simply increase the number of H-2-A visas issued and have the workforce be legal? I think it was John Henry Fauk who said stolen watermelons taste sweeter (or was it IM2?). Do Democrats believe that tomatoes picked by illegals make better Bloody Mary's after a night of drinking screwdrivers made with illegally picked oranges?
3) Will any Democrat on here state firmly that is is worth the rapes, murders, drug deaths, gang wars, child sex trafficking and exploitation of migrants to have this "cheap" farm labor? Because if we must put up with all those things in oder to have those illegal workers here, that seem an extremely high price to pay for something they call "cheap."
4) Schiff says "Americans don't want to do that work it's (chuckle) too back breaking." Really? When I was in college, I worked at UPS. My first job was unoading trailers that had been sitting in the sun for several hours and were stacked to the ceiling with packages, which I pulled from the top, placed on built-in rollers and pushed to the back so the waiting sorters could handle them. It was backbreaking work in temps well over 100 degrees and no fresh air. I was an American and I did that work.
I was motivated by money and the opportunity for advancement. I never heard the corporate execs of UPS demanding that they they be allowed to use illegal aliens so they could pay them sub-minimum wage.
So, why is it that Americans don't want to do that work? the pay is not enough. Why is raising the pay not the first answer that comes to them minds of Democrats? WHy do they immediately go to "Bring in poor immigrants. They'll have to do it, Bwah-hah-hah-hah!!"
Sorry for the long rant. By Allah! Democrats are evil scum.
So, let's be sure we understand what Schiff is talking about when he says "farm labor." Remember the Steinbeck novel "Grapes of Wrath?" What those white migrant farm workers from Oklahoma went through is what current brown migrant farm workers from Mexico and other LA countries go through in California. Schiff is concerned that they night not be here to be exploited by farm owners, labor brokers and supervisory figures which in the old south were known as "overseers." I don't know what they're called now, but I imagine Schiff does, as he must worry who they will slavedrive to make sure we have plenty of avocadoes to make our guacamole.
In no particular order:
1) In Germany, they have legal migrant workers. The average farm worker makes nineteen Euros per hour. I'm sure there is roughly the same in the rest of Europe, but I know Germany. I lived in Germany for several years, and I don't remember seeing fifty dollar beets or any of the other outrages we are warned against. Why can they do it and not us?
American farmers are subsidized so that they have a guaranteed selling price for their products. When Trump gets other countries acting like partners instead of adversaries, our farmers will have a world wide market for their products, which are the best in the world. Why should the workers not share in that prosperity?
2) Schiff said that "it's estimated that perhaps half of California's farm workforce is undocumented." Given Schiff's propensity to lie at every turn, and his use of the passive voice instead of saying where that estimate comes from, it is safe to assume that it is much, much less than half. But let's pretend he's an honest person who provided a source for his statistic. If half are undocumented, then half are documented, by simple common sense. Do the undocumented half do all the work?
Of course not. Documented migrant workers, legal residents, and American citizens are perfectly capable of doing farm work. They ARE doing farm work, according to Adam Schiff's statement above. Why not simply increase the number of H-2-A visas issued and have the workforce be legal? I think it was John Henry Fauk who said stolen watermelons taste sweeter (or was it IM2?). Do Democrats believe that tomatoes picked by illegals make better Bloody Mary's after a night of drinking screwdrivers made with illegally picked oranges?
3) Will any Democrat on here state firmly that is is worth the rapes, murders, drug deaths, gang wars, child sex trafficking and exploitation of migrants to have this "cheap" farm labor? Because if we must put up with all those things in oder to have those illegal workers here, that seem an extremely high price to pay for something they call "cheap."
4) Schiff says "Americans don't want to do that work it's (chuckle) too back breaking." Really? When I was in college, I worked at UPS. My first job was unoading trailers that had been sitting in the sun for several hours and were stacked to the ceiling with packages, which I pulled from the top, placed on built-in rollers and pushed to the back so the waiting sorters could handle them. It was backbreaking work in temps well over 100 degrees and no fresh air. I was an American and I did that work.
I was motivated by money and the opportunity for advancement. I never heard the corporate execs of UPS demanding that they they be allowed to use illegal aliens so they could pay them sub-minimum wage.
So, why is it that Americans don't want to do that work? the pay is not enough. Why is raising the pay not the first answer that comes to them minds of Democrats? WHy do they immediately go to "Bring in poor immigrants. They'll have to do it, Bwah-hah-hah-hah!!"
Sorry for the long rant. By Allah! Democrats are evil scum.
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