Who was the best president in the past 20 years?
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When President Reagan passed away there were thousands of people of all racial persuasions who lined up the National Mall to pay their respects, me among them. I would also line up if Obama died in or out of office, but it would be to dance on his grave.
I drove 1,200 miles to Washington, DC to be there, under the Dome of the Capitol and had an interview with CNN, which was played on national TV.
I also drove even more miles to visit the Presidential library of President Ronald Reagan in Simi Valley, CA. Aside from the Presidential Library, the fact that Simi Valley was the place where the cops who gave the racist prick exactly what he deserved were acquitted, made my long journey there even sweeter.
I drove 1,200 miles to Washington, DC to be there, under the Dome of the Capitol and had an interview with CNN, which was played on national TV.
I also drove even more miles to visit the Presidential library of President Ronald Reagan in Simi Valley, CA. Aside from the Presidential Library, the fact that Simi Valley was the place where the cops who gave the racist prick exactly what he deserved were acquitted, made my long journey there even sweeter.
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Probably because it was true! You never heard of the "Gorelick Memo" have you??
May 21, 1998
In a series of nearly unanimous votes, the House said President Clinton failed to act in "the national interest" earlier this year when he gave permission for a Chinese satellite launch to a U.S. aerospace firm with close Democratic ties, and moved to block him from approving similar exports.
Washingtonpost.com: Key Stories on Chinese Missile Allegations
the Gorelick Memo would not have been needed and "C.I.A. officials of deliberately withholding crucial documents and photographs of Qaeda operatives from the F.B.I."
Known as the Gorelick Memo...
"As Deputy Attorney General under Bill Clinton from 1994 to 1997 Jamie Gorelick wrote the memo that created the now infamous “Gorelick Wall.” A 1995 memo she wrote, stated explicitly that they would “go beyond what is legally required, [to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation.”
These rules were, shortly after their creation, expanded to regulate such communications in future counter-terrorism investigations.
It set a procedure where various intelligence operations could not share information with each other.
Jamie GorelickÂ’s wall barred anti-terror investigators from accessing the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, already in custody on an immigration violation shortly before 9/11.
At the time, an enraged FBI investigator wrote a prophetic memo to headquarters about the wall
‘Whatever has happened to this — someday someone will die — and wall or not — the public will not understand why we were not more effective in throwing every resource we had at certain problems…..especially since the biggest threat to us UBL [Usama bin Laden], is getting the most protection.
Breitbart News: Big Government
Here is what Richard A. Clark, former counter-terrorism advisor for both the Clinton and Bush Administrations, testified to in prepared remarks before the Sept. 11 Commission on March 24, 2004:
“In retrospect, we know that there was information available to some in the FBI and CIA that al Qida [sic] operatives had entered the United States. That information was not shared with the senior FBI counter-terrorism official (Dale Watson) or with me, despite the heightened state of concern in the Counter-terrorism Security Group.”
Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented? The Gorelick Memo and What We Knew
NOW WHY did the Gorelick Memo and subsequent WALL come into being???
It should be noted that when Gorelick penned the aforementioned memo, President Clinton was extremely worried about ongoing FBI and CIA investigations into illegal Chinese contributions that had been made to his presidential campaign. Both the FBI and the CIA were churning up evidence damaging to the Democratic Party, its fundraisers, the Chinese, and ultimately the Clinton administration itself.
The Wall of Separation between Law-Enforcement and Intelligence - Discover the Networks
9/11 would not have occurred!
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My vote is George W Bush because historians will not have found ANY president with a more biased anti-Bush MSM then when he was President and at the same time had to FACE 4 (four) cataclysmic events !
Obviously most people have forgotten this because the biased MSM has Never put such a chronology of world changing events such as these faced by Bush!
He had All the MSM bashing him.. you never heard this till now I'm SURE!
The editor of NewsWeek Evan Thomas thinks so...
Well, our job is to bash the president, that's what we do." --
Evan Thomas responding to a question on whether the media's unfair to Bush on the TV talk show Inside Washington,
February 2, 2007.Newsweek's Evan Thomas: 'Our Job Is To Bash the President' | NewsBusters
But Obama????
I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God."
Evan Thomas on Hardball, June 5, 2009.
Newsweek?s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ?Sort of God? | NewsBusters
And so all the while the MSM was bashing Bush and putting ALL the negatives stories Bush was having to deal with Four (4) Major events that have NEVER in the history of the USA came together in an 8 year period!
1) Dot.com bust cost $5 trillion in lost market value.. this means every year for 30 years now starting in 2000 the federal revenue is over $66 billion written off against taxes owed???
How many people LOST jobs due to the bust??
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $5 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies. More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion ? Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs
2) Did YOU forget that 9/11 occurred and it cost $2 trillion over the next 30 years again $33 billion will NOT BE PAiD.. was that Bush's fault?
Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York!!
Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again. It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone.
Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the U.S.
The Top 10 Financial Events of the Decade
3) $1 trillion in written off losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history!
The worst Katrina?? made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages. Andrew slammed into South Florida in 1992 as a Category 5. It caused 40 deaths and $30 billion in property damage. More than 250,000 people were left homeless and 82,000 businesses were destroyed or damaged.
Hurricane Katrina ALONE! Year 2005: Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
On August 25, 2005, Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast of the U.S. as a strong Category 3 or low Category 4 storm. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.
Hurricane Rita quickly followed Katrina only to make matters worse. Between the two, more than $200 billion in damage was done. 400,000 jobs were lost and 275,000 homes were destroyed. Many of the jobs and homes were never to be recovered. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced and over 1,000 were killed and more are missing. The effect on oil and gasoline prices was long-lasting.
400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita
145,000 jobs in NYC alone due to 9/11
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts.
Almost 1 million jobs alone from those 3 events AND Obama cries about Tropical storm Isaac?????
DO YOU understand NONE of that was Bush's fault!
$100 billion a year in LOST federal revenue! DO YOU understand and NOT one dollar the fault of Bush!
Finally the 4th event AGAIN I am sure YOU never knew and the MSM NEVER reported!!!
Obviously YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED in the Economic Terrorist attack of 9/18/2008!!!!!
HERE Read this and see why Bush may have looked like he was going to cry!!!
"The near economic collapse on Thursday (Sept 18,2008), at 11am the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous draw-down of money market accounts in the U.S., to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in the matter of an hour or two.
The Treasury opened up its window to help and pumped a $105 billion in the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide.
We were having an electronic run on the banks.
They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic out there.
If they had not done that, their estimation is that by 2pm that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the U.S., would have collapsed the entire economy of the U.S., and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed.
It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.
Index of /blog
Four MAJOR EVENTS that NO other President has had to FACE while at the same time have antagonistic "BASHING BUSH" Media will provide historians the reason to call GW Bush one of the GREAT Presidents to FACE major economic issues, Major war issues and Major weather disaster issues.. all in the same 8 year period!
Obviously most people have forgotten this because the biased MSM has Never put such a chronology of world changing events such as these faced by Bush!
He had All the MSM bashing him.. you never heard this till now I'm SURE!
The editor of NewsWeek Evan Thomas thinks so...
Well, our job is to bash the president, that's what we do." --
Evan Thomas responding to a question on whether the media's unfair to Bush on the TV talk show Inside Washington,
February 2, 2007.Newsweek's Evan Thomas: 'Our Job Is To Bash the President' | NewsBusters
But Obama????
I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God."
Evan Thomas on Hardball, June 5, 2009.
Newsweek?s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ?Sort of God? | NewsBusters
And so all the while the MSM was bashing Bush and putting ALL the negatives stories Bush was having to deal with Four (4) Major events that have NEVER in the history of the USA came together in an 8 year period!
1) Dot.com bust cost $5 trillion in lost market value.. this means every year for 30 years now starting in 2000 the federal revenue is over $66 billion written off against taxes owed???
How many people LOST jobs due to the bust??
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $5 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies. More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion ? Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs
2) Did YOU forget that 9/11 occurred and it cost $2 trillion over the next 30 years again $33 billion will NOT BE PAiD.. was that Bush's fault?
Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York!!
Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again. It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone.
Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the U.S.
The Top 10 Financial Events of the Decade
3) $1 trillion in written off losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history!
The worst Katrina?? made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages. Andrew slammed into South Florida in 1992 as a Category 5. It caused 40 deaths and $30 billion in property damage. More than 250,000 people were left homeless and 82,000 businesses were destroyed or damaged.
Hurricane Katrina ALONE! Year 2005: Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
On August 25, 2005, Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast of the U.S. as a strong Category 3 or low Category 4 storm. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.
Hurricane Rita quickly followed Katrina only to make matters worse. Between the two, more than $200 billion in damage was done. 400,000 jobs were lost and 275,000 homes were destroyed. Many of the jobs and homes were never to be recovered. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced and over 1,000 were killed and more are missing. The effect on oil and gasoline prices was long-lasting.
400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita
145,000 jobs in NYC alone due to 9/11
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts.
Almost 1 million jobs alone from those 3 events AND Obama cries about Tropical storm Isaac?????
DO YOU understand NONE of that was Bush's fault!
$100 billion a year in LOST federal revenue! DO YOU understand and NOT one dollar the fault of Bush!
Finally the 4th event AGAIN I am sure YOU never knew and the MSM NEVER reported!!!
Obviously YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED in the Economic Terrorist attack of 9/18/2008!!!!!
HERE Read this and see why Bush may have looked like he was going to cry!!!
"The near economic collapse on Thursday (Sept 18,2008), at 11am the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous draw-down of money market accounts in the U.S., to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in the matter of an hour or two.
The Treasury opened up its window to help and pumped a $105 billion in the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide.
We were having an electronic run on the banks.
They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic out there.
If they had not done that, their estimation is that by 2pm that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the U.S., would have collapsed the entire economy of the U.S., and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed.
It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.
Index of /blog
Four MAJOR EVENTS that NO other President has had to FACE while at the same time have antagonistic "BASHING BUSH" Media will provide historians the reason to call GW Bush one of the GREAT Presidents to FACE major economic issues, Major war issues and Major weather disaster issues.. all in the same 8 year period!
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I defy ANYONE to say these events didn't happen!
I defy ANYONE to say at the same time the MSM was nightly daily BASHING Bush!
YET when it was over during Bush's administration
1) We had a brand new agency "HOMELAND SECURITY" developed in response to Terrorism!
2) We brought Saddam to justice and 48 million people are a lot freer today then they were 10 years ago!
3) In Iraq alone the per person gross domestic product has skyrocketed from $503 to today $4,200 a nearly 800% increase!
With all those huge world changing events going on.. very infrequently did you read/hear any positive stories about Bush.. Most were negative.
Mostly because when these Democrats beating their chests and strutting like peacocks clamoring to remove Saddam.. (But not really meaning it!!!
Bush took them at their word!
"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
By the way Bush bashers did you KNOW CLINTON dropped In the first three months of 1999, U.S. led-forces bombarded Iraq with 241,000 pounds of bombs just shy of the 253,000 pounds dropped under President Bush in the eight months leading up to the final UN resolution before the war.
The Raw Story | Clinton bombing of Iraq far exceeded Bush's in run-up to war; Bush 'spikes of activity' questioned
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
Hillary CLINTON SAID THE FOLLOWING!!!
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
Aid and comfort to al Qaeda!!!
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.
AND today??? NO MORE SADDAM YET these same hypocritical Democrats WERE BASHING BUSH DAY AND NITE including our current President who gave aid and comfort to the enemy when Obama said we are "air-raiding villages, killing civilians"!!
HOw helpful do you think THAT was to the Terrorists?????
I defy ANYONE to say at the same time the MSM was nightly daily BASHING Bush!
YET when it was over during Bush's administration
1) We had a brand new agency "HOMELAND SECURITY" developed in response to Terrorism!
2) We brought Saddam to justice and 48 million people are a lot freer today then they were 10 years ago!
3) In Iraq alone the per person gross domestic product has skyrocketed from $503 to today $4,200 a nearly 800% increase!
With all those huge world changing events going on.. very infrequently did you read/hear any positive stories about Bush.. Most were negative.
Mostly because when these Democrats beating their chests and strutting like peacocks clamoring to remove Saddam.. (But not really meaning it!!!
Bush took them at their word!
"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
By the way Bush bashers did you KNOW CLINTON dropped In the first three months of 1999, U.S. led-forces bombarded Iraq with 241,000 pounds of bombs just shy of the 253,000 pounds dropped under President Bush in the eight months leading up to the final UN resolution before the war.
The Raw Story | Clinton bombing of Iraq far exceeded Bush's in run-up to war; Bush 'spikes of activity' questioned
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
Hillary CLINTON SAID THE FOLLOWING!!!
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
Aid and comfort to al Qaeda!!!
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.
AND today??? NO MORE SADDAM YET these same hypocritical Democrats WERE BASHING BUSH DAY AND NITE including our current President who gave aid and comfort to the enemy when Obama said we are "air-raiding villages, killing civilians"!!
HOw helpful do you think THAT was to the Terrorists?????
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Hey A GOP person said that RIGHT??? WHERE are any DEMOCRATS taking the opposite position? NEVER!!! GOP are generally open minded and Gorton saw it one way while this guy saw it another:
"In Attorney General Ashcroft’s April 6 testimony before the 9/11 Commission, he revealed a declassified memo, written during the Clinton administration, which was responsible for strengthening the wall between the intelligence services and the crime-fighters that prevented us from preventing 9/11. As a vitally interesting extra, Ashcroft revealed that the memo was written by an actual 9/11 commissioner – Democratic appointee Jamie Gorelick.
The “wall” that, according to Ashcroft, government both created and was blinded by, was invented during the Carter administration and strengthened during the Clinton years.
It hampered the FBI and kept them from adequately investigating people like Zacarias Moussaoui and two of the Pentagon hijackers.
The wall continued to hinder government investigations until recently, when the Patriot Act tore it down.In the Gorelick memo, which is entitled “Instructions on Separation of Certain Foreign Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations” and which contains orders to former director of FBI Louis Freeh and other high-ups, she[Gorelick] writes:
We believe that it is prudent to establish a set of instructions that will more clearly separate the counterintelligence investigation from the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations. These procedures, which go beyond what is legally required, will prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation. "
Republican Dan: Who Built The Wall Between Intelligence and Law Enforcement?
Maybe, just maybe someone like Ashcroft WHO was the AG and saw things Gorton never saw much less YOU or me! I would trust Ashcroft's observations more then any of us as he had to live through all this!!! You and I didn't and neither did Gorton!
healthmyths
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COME Bush Bashers!!!
Tell me those 4 world changing events DIDN'T happen!
If Obama had been President I would have praised his efforts if he did half of what Bush did!
And neither one of them would have asked these events to have happened!
Unfortunately Clinton had Osama in his sights 3 times..
"Scheuer replies to Schoen the following day. "This is the third time you and your officers have put UBL in this government's sights and they have balked each time at doing the job. ...
They spent a good deal of time yesterday worrying that some stray shapnel might hit the Habash mosque and 'offend' Muslims."
Declassified documents shed light on scramble to 'hit' bin Laden before 9/11 ? CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs
Now here is where they HAD Osama but alas Bill was playing golf and didn't want to be disturbed!!!
In his stunning 2003 book Dereliction of Duty, Air Force Lt. Col. Robert “Buzz” Patterson, a presidential aide and carrier of the “nuclear football, Here is Patterson’s chilling account:
Berger ambled down the stairwell and entered the Sit[uation] Room. He picked up the phone at one of the busy controller consoles and called the president. Amazingly, President Clinton was not available. Berger tried again and again. Bin Laden was within striking distance. The window of opportunity was closing fast. The plan of attack was set and the Tomahawk [missile] crews were ready. For about an hour Berger couldn’t get the commander in chief on the line. Though the president was always accompanied by military aides and the Secret Service, he was somehow unavailable. Berger stalked the Sit Room, anxious and impatient.
Patterson continues:
Finally, the president accepted Berger’s call. There was discussion, there were pauses – and no decision. The president wanted to talk with his secretaries of Defense and State. He wanted to study the issue further. Berger was forced to wait. The clock was ticking. The president eventually called back. He was still indecisive. He wanted more discussion. Berger alternated between phone calls and watching the clock.
The dithering continued until it was too late–and bin Laden lived to fight another day. And to plot the Sept. 11 attacks.
That was not an isolated incident. On Sept. 13, 1996, while on the golf course with his lawyer friend Vernon Jordan, President Clinton had refused to take repeated urgent phone calls from Berger, who needed the president’s approval for air strikes on Iraq. Patterson wrote: “Pilots were in the cockpits, waiting to launch, targets were identified, everything was in place, all [Berger] needed was the go-ahead.”
Bin Laden Lived To Fight Another Day--Thanks To Bill Clinton - Forbes
Clinton/Gorelick/Chinese donations, BERGER stealing documents.. all of this really stinks and how can you be a great President if you
keep sticking and sticking stuff to blue dresses,etc..... ah.. it depends on what "is" is!!!
Tell me those 4 world changing events DIDN'T happen!
If Obama had been President I would have praised his efforts if he did half of what Bush did!
And neither one of them would have asked these events to have happened!
Unfortunately Clinton had Osama in his sights 3 times..
"Scheuer replies to Schoen the following day. "This is the third time you and your officers have put UBL in this government's sights and they have balked each time at doing the job. ...
They spent a good deal of time yesterday worrying that some stray shapnel might hit the Habash mosque and 'offend' Muslims."
Declassified documents shed light on scramble to 'hit' bin Laden before 9/11 ? CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs
Now here is where they HAD Osama but alas Bill was playing golf and didn't want to be disturbed!!!
In his stunning 2003 book Dereliction of Duty, Air Force Lt. Col. Robert “Buzz” Patterson, a presidential aide and carrier of the “nuclear football, Here is Patterson’s chilling account:
Berger ambled down the stairwell and entered the Sit[uation] Room. He picked up the phone at one of the busy controller consoles and called the president. Amazingly, President Clinton was not available. Berger tried again and again. Bin Laden was within striking distance. The window of opportunity was closing fast. The plan of attack was set and the Tomahawk [missile] crews were ready. For about an hour Berger couldn’t get the commander in chief on the line. Though the president was always accompanied by military aides and the Secret Service, he was somehow unavailable. Berger stalked the Sit Room, anxious and impatient.
Patterson continues:
Finally, the president accepted Berger’s call. There was discussion, there were pauses – and no decision. The president wanted to talk with his secretaries of Defense and State. He wanted to study the issue further. Berger was forced to wait. The clock was ticking. The president eventually called back. He was still indecisive. He wanted more discussion. Berger alternated between phone calls and watching the clock.
The dithering continued until it was too late–and bin Laden lived to fight another day. And to plot the Sept. 11 attacks.
That was not an isolated incident. On Sept. 13, 1996, while on the golf course with his lawyer friend Vernon Jordan, President Clinton had refused to take repeated urgent phone calls from Berger, who needed the president’s approval for air strikes on Iraq. Patterson wrote: “Pilots were in the cockpits, waiting to launch, targets were identified, everything was in place, all [Berger] needed was the go-ahead.”
Bin Laden Lived To Fight Another Day--Thanks To Bill Clinton - Forbes
Clinton/Gorelick/Chinese donations, BERGER stealing documents.. all of this really stinks and how can you be a great President if you
keep sticking and sticking stuff to blue dresses,etc..... ah.. it depends on what "is" is!!!
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Ronald Reagan was the worst thing to happen to the middle class since the Great Depression. His trickle down "reaganomics", and union busting policies, have resulted in thirty years of middle class wage stagnation while CEO's have seen their compensation rise to the largest percentage of wealth since the 1920's. The last three years of his second term he was a shell of a man being led around by Nancy's astrologists and neocon a-holes.
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i agree with ya Doc....best in my lifetime and i was only about 60/40 with him....
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My wages went way up after Reagan. I guess what you are saying is that Reagan created a problem and Clinton didn't fix it, he had 8 years.
What we are seeing today was predicted back during Clinton. A "great sucking sound of jobs fleeing the country" was the prediction if Clinton passed the "free" trade treaties. He did and we are seeing the results. Reagan did nothing to the Unions, the Unions didn't do a damn thing for themselves.
BTW did you know that the earned income tax credit was Reagan's?
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Remember the TV documentary "Runup to 911?" Clinton sure didn't like it being shown how he let OBL live. I stilll think he died at Tora Bora.
blackhawk
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Not really much to choose from there so I will go with none of the above.
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So BUSH BASHERS... come ON!! I want you to tell me those 4 events didn't happen!
I want you tell me $8 trillion in losses didn't occur and that the world economy could have collapsed on 9/19/08!
I want you tell me that ALL of those events were ANY presidents' fault (except the Gorelick Memo) could have happened to any President .. but it did to Bush!
I want you to tell me what YOU would have said at seeing $5 trillion in losses occur due to hyperbubbled dot.com stocks overinflated during Clinton years!
You know the recession of 2001 (started actually in 2000) and the best method was the Tax cuts. Worked!
But tell me again folks did 9/11 not happen? Did airlines not fly for 3 days LOSING BILLIONS??
Did wall street close for 10 days losing Billions??? Also none of you evidently remember the Anthrax attacks and the fears engendered they were Terrorists efforts!
And tell me again how NO hurricanes happened during the period 2003 to 2008?
NOTHING devasting as $1 trillion lost businesses. out of work people.. oh and 5,000 lives lost... AGAIN BUSH's fault right???
Come on Bush Bashers... TELL me those events didn't happen!
YOU BUSH BASHERS where were you during these events???
I want you tell me $8 trillion in losses didn't occur and that the world economy could have collapsed on 9/19/08!
I want you tell me that ALL of those events were ANY presidents' fault (except the Gorelick Memo) could have happened to any President .. but it did to Bush!
I want you to tell me what YOU would have said at seeing $5 trillion in losses occur due to hyperbubbled dot.com stocks overinflated during Clinton years!
You know the recession of 2001 (started actually in 2000) and the best method was the Tax cuts. Worked!
But tell me again folks did 9/11 not happen? Did airlines not fly for 3 days LOSING BILLIONS??
Did wall street close for 10 days losing Billions??? Also none of you evidently remember the Anthrax attacks and the fears engendered they were Terrorists efforts!
And tell me again how NO hurricanes happened during the period 2003 to 2008?
NOTHING devasting as $1 trillion lost businesses. out of work people.. oh and 5,000 lives lost... AGAIN BUSH's fault right???
Come on Bush Bashers... TELL me those events didn't happen!
YOU BUSH BASHERS where were you during these events???
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Clinton damaged the country more so then any other president, even Carter. His free trade agreements doomed the middle class. It was predicted and it happened. His lying under oath lowered the bar to where anything pretty much goes.
healthmyths
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WHAT do you mean???
DO YOU RECALL dot.com bust at all???
How about 9/11 surely that happened and you were around??
How about the worst hurricane SEASONS in HISTory didn't that mean anything to you?
Of course you never knew about 9/18/2008 when the world's economy almost collapsed!
SO who in the fu..k do you think managed all the above damages from these events?
Cheney? Rumsfeld,... surely you can't believe Obama was the Messiah and helped???
And then you OBVIOUSLY NEVER NEVER bashed bush have you... all the while he was President doing what the Democrats like Hillary asked..
Hillary CLINTON SAID THE FOLLOWING!!!
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002 Aid and comfort to al Qaeda!!!
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.
So when did you take your leave of absence from HUMAN RACE from 2000 to 2008 when ALL those events occurred?
AND YOU think BUSH is a BAD president??? Well you 've got a Messiah in office now how good is he doing???
Zona
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Who was the best president in the past 25 years?
The current president of the United States of America.
The worse?
Bush, obviously. He will do down in history as perhaps the worse ever.
The current president of the United States of America.
The worse?
Bush, obviously. He will do down in history as perhaps the worse ever.
healthmyths
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So nothing happened in 2000 to 2008 right?
No dot.com bust, no 9/11, no worst hurricanes and if they did BUSH's FAULT!!!
YOU ARE the dumbest person I think I've ever ever encountered!
But wait... that is without saying!
YOU are a obamatron that honestly is a messiah believer!
YOU obviously are like these people that are to me the typical dumb Obama is god supporter!
Obama has a stash of cash..
ROGULSKI: And where did Obama get it?
WOMAN #1: I don't know, his stash. I don't know. (laughter) I don't know where he got it from,
but he givin' it to us,
WOMAN #2: And we love him. WOMAN #1: We love him. That's why we voted for him!
Or maybe this person...
...""I wont have to worry about putting gas in my car, I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage..
You know, If I help him, he's gonna help me." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slUBWQ1AUEg"
BY THE WAY you worrying about $4.00 gas/ is obama paying your mortgage from his stash??
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