Who owns the west?

[JakeStarkey]

The federal government, who represents We the People, owns most of the West.

Not the locals. Not the extraction industries. We the People.

 

[tyroneweaver]

jakestarky Bundy

 

[JakeStarkey]

tyrone thinks he owns southern Idaho.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

That's why Trump is doing such a great service by overturning obama's land grabs and returning the land to the states.

Bless him.

 

[tyroneweaver]

tyrone thinks he owns southern Idaho.

...and USMB

 

[JakeStarkey]

That's why Trump is doing such a great service by overturning obama's land grabs and returning the land to the states.

Bless him.

The states don't own federal land. We the People do.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

There are only three Constitutional circumstances wherein the federal government may claim state lands in perpetuity.

Parks and monuments are not included.

 

[JakeStarkey]

tyrone thinks he owns southern Idaho.

...and USMB

west wall thinks he owns USMB.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There are only three Constitutional circumstances wherein the federal government may claim state lands in perpetuity.

Parks and monuments are not included.

That is an opinion not supported by law. Tough beans.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

There are only three Constitutional circumstances wherein the federal government may claim state lands in perpetuity.

Parks and monuments are not included.

That is an opinion not supported by law. Tough beans.

Neither precedence nor case law nor legislation nor executive order alters the Constitution.

 

[Toro]

The Golden State Warriors.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There are only three Constitutional circumstances wherein the federal government may claim state lands in perpetuity.

Parks and monuments are not included.

That is an opinion not supported by law. Tough beans.

Neither precedence nor case law nor legislation nor executive order alters the Constitution.

That's your opinion, which is your . . . opinion.

 

[Camp]

That's why Trump is doing such a great service by overturning obama's land grabs and returning the land to the states.

Bless him.

The land will still be federal land. Trump is proposing taking away the Federal Monument status that protects the land from certain types development of some of the land. His proposal is to open the lands to private industry for extraction of resources.

US taxpayers have been paying for the protection, caretaking, and maintenance of those lands. The states do not have the financial ability to do the same.

 

[whitehall]

Do lefties really think portions of the U.S. are "owned" rather than governed? Maybe that's the reason the democrat party lost most of the governorships in the last decade. Why do lefties think "we the people" isn't the same as the federal government?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Do lefties really think portions of the U.S. are "owned" rather than governed? Maybe that's the reason the democrat party lost most of the governorships in the last decade. Why do lefties think "we the people" isn't the same as the federal government?

We the People are represented by the federal government.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

There are only three Constitutional circumstances wherein the federal government may claim state lands in perpetuity.

Parks and monuments are not included.

That is an opinion not supported by law. Tough beans.

Neither precedence nor case law nor legislation nor executive order alters the Constitution.

That's your opinion, which is your . . . opinion.

That's a fact, ya nit.

 

[flacaltenn]

The federal government, who represents We the People, owns most of the West.

Not the locals. Not the extraction industries. We the People.

And that's a huge problem. Because MOST of that land was put under BLM because no one wanted it at the time. Not even the Forestry service. Time to reshuffle those cards. I've proposed that a large part of those holdings should be given to the Indian Tribes as repayment for raiding and stealing from the "Indian Trust Fund".

That huge Federal holding leads to classic "tragedy of the commons" where the ownership is not CLOSELY COUPLED or bonded that land. And looks at it as a job, not an asset. A lot could be devolved to orgs like the Nature Conservancy whom the public trusts FAR MORE than the Forestry or BLM. And the BULK of that land should devolve to state control..

 

[JakeStarkey]

Not to state control, no.

I do like your idea of devolving much of it, flacaltenn, to the First Peoples.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There are only three Constitutional circumstances wherein the federal government may claim state lands in perpetuity.

Parks and monuments are not included.

That is an opinion not supported by law. Tough beans.

Neither precedence nor case law nor legislation nor executive order alters the Constitution.

That's your opinion, which is your . . . opinion.

That's a fact, ya nit.

Nope. You have no source, no evidence, no fact, no logic, no nada.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The federal government, who represents We the People, owns most of the West.

Not the locals. Not the extraction industries. We the People.

And that's a huge problem. Because MOST of that land was put under BLM because no one wanted it at the time. Not even the Forestry service. Time to reshuffle those cards. I've proposed that a large part of those holdings should be given to the Indian Tribes as repayment for raiding and stealing from the "Indian Trust Fund".

That huge Federal holding leads to classic "tragedy of the commons" where the ownership is not CLOSELY COUPLED or bonded that land. And looks at it as a job, not an asset. A lot could be devolved to orgs like the Nature Conservancy whom the public trusts FAR MORE than the Forestry or BLM. And the BULK of that land should devolve to state control..

I have no problem whatsoever with tribal lands being under their jurisdiction.