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Quit deflecting.That's a lie, we the people are represented IN the federal government and only represented by the federal government in the very specific enumerated powers granted that government by the States. Such as interstate and international trade, and foreign affairs.
We the People are represented by the Federal Government in managing our federal land. The states do not own the land that they, as territories, transfered for the people to the Federal Government as part of state hood.
The states never held ownership of the public lands before they became states. They were territories completely controlled by the federal government. The only transfers of ownership occurred when the federal government ceded parcels of territorial property to the newly formed states for use as townships and state facilities such as schools. Those specifics were written into the state constitutions before they became states and were declared states by Congress.Quit deflecting.That's a lie, we the people are represented IN the federal government and only represented by the federal government in the very specific enumerated powers granted that government by the States. Such as interstate and international trade, and foreign affairs.
We the People are represented by the Federal Government in managing our federal land. The states do not own the land that they, as territories, transfered for the people to the Federal Government as part of state hood.
Excuse me, but the feds are not The Empire. Beyond the mandated and extremely limited responsibilities assigned the federal government under the Constitution, the states are sovereign. No land was "transferred" by way of statehood.
If you're going to make stuff up, at least make it entertaining.
You apparently don't understand simple English. Camp refuted nothing i said.bripat's silliness above is easily rebutted by Camp in #42. Any further silly bripat nonsense about the feds owning nothing will be ignored by me and reported to the mods as trolling.
What did you find inaccurate in my post?You apparently don't understand simple English. Camp refuted nothing i said.bripat's silliness above is easily rebutted by Camp in #42. Any further silly bripat nonsense about the feds owning nothing will be ignored by me and reported to the mods as trolling.
I found nothing inaccurate. It just didn't contradict anything I said.What did you find inaccurate in my post?You apparently don't understand simple English. Camp refuted nothing i said.bripat's silliness above is easily rebutted by Camp in #42. Any further silly bripat nonsense about the feds owning nothing will be ignored by me and reported to the mods as trolling.
I was not responding to you or your posts. I was responding to a post by Billy and refuting that post in particular.I found nothing inaccurate. It just didn't contradict anything I said.What did you find inaccurate in my post?You apparently don't understand simple English. Camp refuted nothing i said.bripat's silliness above is easily rebutted by Camp in #42. Any further silly bripat nonsense about the feds owning nothing will be ignored by me and reported to the mods as trolling.
You're correct that it's in the Constitution, but you've cited the wrong Article. Actually, it's in Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2 and not too terribly vague;The federal government, who represents We the People, owns most of the West.
Not the locals. Not the extraction industries. We the People.
Show me the constitutional authority for the feds to retain land in a territory granted Statehood.
It IS in the Constitution. For acquisition of DC, forts, monuments, etc. But it's vague. And certainly not in perpetuity and forever within a fully functioning State...
Americans have paid for public lands with blood and treasure. Americans have financed and invested in the upkeep and protection of those lands year after year since they became territories and later as public lands within states. Whenever the topic of transferring those lands to new owners comes up it is nothing more than schemes to allow private interest to exploit the wealth and investments of the American people.
Even if that's how it happened, where does the Constitution authorize the federal government to own vast tracks of unoccupied land?
Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2
The federal government, who represents We the People, owns most of the West.
Not the locals. Not the extraction industries. We the People.
Those lands never belonged to the statesThere are only three Constitutional circumstances wherein the federal government may claim state lands in perpetuity.
Parks and monuments are not included.
I would support a lottery for thousands of individual lots with all kinds of caveats and restrictions on the lots. Imagine being able to win a transferable lot at Yellowstone.Those lands never belonged to the statesThere are only three Constitutional circumstances wherein the federal government may claim state lands in perpetuity.
Parks and monuments are not included.
I'd be willing to sell them at fair market value
Quit deflecting.That's a lie, we the people are represented IN the federal government and only represented by the federal government in the very specific enumerated powers granted that government by the States. Such as interstate and international trade, and foreign affairs.
We the People are represented by the Federal Government in managing our federal land. The states do not own the land that they, as territories, transfered for the people to the Federal Government as part of state hood.
Excuse me, but the feds are not The Empire. Beyond the mandated and extremely limited responsibilities assigned the federal government under the Constitution, the states are sovereign. No land was "transferred" by way of statehood.
If you're going to make stuff up, at least make it entertaining.
You are so butt hurt.You have to understand though, fakey Mcfakerson is an avowed authoritarian. There is no such thing as too much government power in his eyes.Quit deflecting.That's a lie, we the people are represented IN the federal government and only represented by the federal government in the very specific enumerated powers granted that government by the States. Such as interstate and international trade, and foreign affairs.
We the People are represented by the Federal Government in managing our federal land. The states do not own the land that they, as territories, transfered for the people to the Federal Government as part of state hood.
Excuse me, but the feds are not The Empire. Beyond the mandated and extremely limited responsibilities assigned the federal government under the Constitution, the states are sovereign. No land was "transferred" by way of statehood.
If you're going to make stuff up, at least make it entertaining.
The fact is that federal land is . . . federal land. If you think that is "authoritarian," that's your problem. The feds could sell or grant the land to the various states. That is another issue. If you have any question about the federal authority in this matter, consult Art IV Sec 3.
LBT, put your question into understandable English.If we the people live in those states we own, we dont have to pay federal taxes anymore, jakey?
I would support a lottery for thousands of individual lots with all kinds of caveats and restrictions on the lots. Imagine being able to win a transferable lot at Yellowstone.Those lands never belonged to the statesThere are only three Constitutional circumstances wherein the federal government may claim state lands in perpetuity.
Parks and monuments are not included.
I'd be willing to sell them at fair market value
