Who is the best GOP alternative to Trump in 2024?

[bendog]

What I don't get is people who say they are conservatives or Republicans that don't want to offer an alternative to the Trumpster.

Its fine that socialist Democrats hate Trump but instead support their man Sleepy Joe. But nevertrumper Republicans are a real zero. They have nothing to offer.

I don't believe there is any alternative to Trump or his cut out in 24. I think Trump's price for the nomination will be for the nominee to contend the election was "stolen" with fradulant votes, and the issues will feature we are being overrun by illegals who are taking jobs from Americans who want them, and hordes of black and antifa taking over our cities and coming to suburbs to do unspeakable outrages. We may also be treated to dems are weak on trade an Jina.

 

[Mac1958]

I don't think Trump will actually run again. He's doing his grievance tour raising money. And to me anyway he seems more irrationally unhinged than before. He actually said his grievance cost Ga two gop senators. (no shit! but he admits it as somehow vindicating him because gopers didn't show up to vote for gopers who had supported HIM)

But, imo, he'll demand the gop defer to him as the actual leader of the party, and to demand the nominee run on the platform of the election was stolen from him in 2020```

Yeah, trying to forecast anything he does, my main barometer is his desperate need for attention and approval. So the question then is, does trying to be King, or playing kingmaker, appeal to him more in that context?

 

[candycorn]

What I don't get is people who say they are conservatives or Republicans that don't want to offer an alternative to the Trumpster.

Its fine that socialist Democrats hate Trump but instead support their man Sleepy Joe. But nevertrumper Republicans are a real zero. They have nothing to offer.

I seem to remember Ted Cruz running for President in 2016. What happened to his campaign? People could have voted for him in every primary where he was running.

If memory serves, he won the Iowa Caucus...but was that fraud too? The blob says it was.

 

[rightwinger]

Show us President Trump's words on that day inciting violence and insurrection. Liar.

Like I said……”on that day” is Cherry Picking
The TRUMP mob did not come to DC based on one day of rabble rousing

 

[Polishprince]

I seem to remember Ted Cruz running for President in 2016. What happened to his campaign? People could have voted for him in every primary where he was running.

If memory serves, he won the Iowa Caucus...but was that fraud too? The blob says it was.

That was 5 years ago, and Senor Cruz lost the nomination. His campaign was disbanded after his schlonging.

Now is the time for the Never Trumpers to step forward with an alternative.

Unless they are pleased with Sleepy Joe and are committed to the Biden Regime.

 

[candycorn]

That was 5 years ago, and Senor Cruz lost the nomination. His campaign was disbanded after his schlonging.

Now is the time for the Never Trumpers to step forward with an alternative.

Unless they are pleased with Sleepy Joe and are committed to the Biden Regime.

Uhhh...

I thought you said you were looking for an alternative or at least you don't "get" why they don't.

The GOP had a choice between a true conservative and the blob and chose the blob because he was entertaining and the Senator got a "schlonging" as you put it...strangely.

In case you haven't noticed (and you haven't) anyone not named Trump is a "never trumper" eventually.

 

[Polishprince]

I don't believe there is any alternative to Trump or his cut out in 24. I think Trump's price for the nomination will be for the nominee to contend the election was "stolen" with fradulant votes, and the issues will feature we are being overrun by illegals who are taking jobs from Americans who want them, and hordes of black and antifa taking over our cities and coming to suburbs to do unspeakable outrages. We may also be treated to dems are weak on trade an Jina.

You really think that the Trumpster controls the Republican Party?

I don't see it, with a large and vibrant anti-Trumpster faction out there who could easily put someone up to compete for the nomination. And with their control of the party apparatus and rule making in so many states, there would actually be a good chance that they could nominate Kasich or Powell in 2024.

But that's what they are scared of , actually winning the nomination. If Hogan or Romney or someone of a similar bent got the GOP nomination in 2024, they would be thoroughly rejected in the General Election. "Me Too" Republicanism really doesn't motivate anyone to vote for you.

 

[bendog]

Yeah, trying to forecast anything he does, my main barometer is his desperate need for attention and approval. So the question then is, does trying to be King, or playing kingmaker, appeal to him more in that context?

Right. Trump's motivation is attention and approval (but a maj is unnecessary).

Trump ran because Obama mocked him without mercy, and he saw it as a great opportunity to reinvent his failing brand (casinos, golf courses and hotels are losers for him) And imo he genuinely sees blacks as inferior, and to him America's heyday was pre-Reagan. Closed markets. And no one seriously expected him to win. His core shares his views.

Trump views his brand as people identifying with him, because is a winner, not a loser, even though his supporters may be the losers in white working class voters no longer being the decisive vote. (some ugly democrat views here too btw) And he doesn't have anybody around him who will actually give him honest advice. Manafort, Conway, Pence, Christie ... gone. Bannon? Even his sycophants like Flynn are gone. He ended his term on .... bleach.

So imo he wants to be king, but he can't afford another loss. So, imo, the nominee will essentially have to be his ... punk. Desantis might fit the bill. The SD governor? Whoever is the loudest supporter of "it was stolen?" I think generally whoever is the fav 3 years out will not be the guy.

And there are 10 gop senators who'd rather see a second Biden term than a Trump turn. And if Biden can get an infrastructure deal .... could he maybe get an immigration deal that a Dem House would have to support? Controlled numbers but with legal status?

 

[bendog]

You really think that the Trumpster controls the Republican Party?

I don't see it, with a large and vibrant anti-Trumpster faction out there who could easily put someone up to compete for the nomination. And with their control of the party apparatus and rule making in so many states, there would actually be a good chance that they could nominate Kasich or Powell in 2024.

But that's what they are scared of , actually winning the nomination. If Hogan or Romney or someone of a similar bent got the GOP nomination in 2024, they would be thoroughly rejected in the General Election. "Me Too" Republicanism really doesn't motivate anyone to vote for you.

Led by Cheney, Mitt, Kucinich and Kemp

 

[22lcidw]

I don't believe there is any alternative to Trump or his cut out in 24. I think Trump's price for the nomination will be for the nominee to contend the election was "stolen" with fradulant votes, and the issues will feature we are being overrun by illegals who are taking jobs from Americans who want them, and hordes of black and antifa taking over our cities and coming to suburbs to do unspeakable outrages. We may also be treated to dems are weak on trade an Jina.

Several nuclear strikes on deep blue cities will end this madness.

 

[Mac1958]

Right. Trump's motivation is attention and approval (but a maj is unnecessary).

Trump ran because Obama mocked him without mercy, and he saw it as a great opportunity to reinvent his failing brand (casinos, golf courses and hotels are losers for him) And imo he genuinely sees blacks as inferior, and to him America's heyday was pre-Reagan. Closed markets. And no one seriously expected him to win. His core shares his views.

Trump views his brand as people identifying with him, because is a winner, not a loser, even though his supporters may be the losers in white working class voters no longer being the decisive vote. (some ugly democrat views here too btw) And he doesn't have anybody around him who will actually give him honest advice. Manafort, Conway, Pence, Christie ... gone. Bannon? Even his sycophants like Flynn are gone. He ended his term on .... bleach.

So imo he wants to be king, but he can't afford another loss. So, imo, the nominee will essentially have to be his ... punk. Desantis might fit the bill. The SD governor? Whoever is the loudest supporter of "it was stolen?" I think generally whoever is the fav 3 years out will not be the guy.

And there are 10 gop senators who'd rather see a second Biden term than a Trump turn. And if Biden can get an infrastructure deal .... could he maybe get an immigration deal that a Dem House would have to support? Controlled numbers but with legal status?

Yeah, I'd love to pump Congressional Republicans full of truth serum and ask them what they think of this moment. I have no doubt a vast majority of them would roll their eyes and admit this is all embarrassing Kabuki theater they're swallowing just to keep their cushy gubmit gigs. Even Taylor-Greene - I thought she might be a True Believer, but that hilarious "HIPAA" dodge showed she's just playing along, too.

2024 belongs to Trump in the GQP. I'd think he'll run, but the risk of losing again may keep him as GQP kingmaker.

 

[NightFox]

No need.

Trump is garbage.
1/2 of the GOP want the piece of garbage as their president (in a poll). That number gets up in to the high 90's if he's on the ballot in 2024.

What you're talking about aren't principles...they're hobbies if you're voting for someone who embodies none of the principles.

I can see that You’re completely incapable of carrying on a rational discussion without going off the foaming at the mouth deep end into TrumpWorld. I couldn’t care less about dickhead Donny or what you think of him, had nothing to with what I was talking about.

Later.

 

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Anyway. Putting that aside, I fully agree with you thought there about how monumentally messed up the LP have been for so long. I've never been a fan of their leadership to be honest.

Glad to see so many of them becoming interested in the Mises Institute, though.

Good stuff Natural Citizen! I’ve been involved with the Mises Institute for quite a while myself, learned so much and continue to learn from all the outstanding people there.

Hopefully the LP will get its act together and become a worthwhile organization again!

Take care.

 

[kyzr]

The leaders of BLM and Antifa are not running for President

Yes they are.

Republicans keep trying to pigeon hole it into one speech
It was more than one speech. It was Trump creating the Stolen Election LIE, Trump calling supporters to DC while Congress was confirming the election, Trump firing up his base, Trump telling them to do something about the stolen election, Trump refusing to interfere with the riot.
Trump was impeached over his actions

Trump was acquitted over those bullshit partisan "non-crime" impeachments.
Funny how you can't brag about anything the Xiden admin is promoting, like open borders (impeachable offense), emoluments (Hunter's paintings), defunding the police and widespread lawlessness, runaway inflation, racist policies like CRT, America last foreign policies, etc.

 

[candycorn]

I can see that You’re completely incapable of carrying on a rational discussion without going off the foaming at the mouth deep end into TrumpWorld. I couldn’t care less about dickhead Donny or what you think of him, had nothing to with what I was talking about.

Later.

Oh but it does. Unless you actually believe that out of out every two republican's choice for President has no bearing on the GOP. If you do believe that....you're right; there is no hope of having a rational discussion. The GOP (or at least half of them) prefer "dickhead donny"....and you're saying that doesn't matter.

Later.

 

[bendog]

Yeah, I'd love to pump Congressional Republicans full of truth serum and ask them what they think of this moment. I have no doubt a vast majority of them would roll their eyes and admit this is all embarrassing Kabuki theater they're swallowing just to keep their cushy gubmit gigs. Even Taylor-Greene - I thought she might be a True Believer, but that hilarious "HIPAA" dodge showed she's just playing along, too.

2024 belongs to Trump in the GQP. I'd think he'll run, but the risk of losing again may keep him as GQP kingmaker.

It is interesting. I won't be shocked if he runs. He loves the crowds. He runs a cheap campaign. Biden can't run another covid campaign. And Harris is hardly a rock star who gets out crowds.

 

[Mac1958]

It is interesting. I won't be shocked if he runs. He loves the crowds. He runs a cheap campaign. Biden can't run another covid campaign. And Harris is hardly a rock star who gets out crowds.

Yeah, the Dem ticket won't exactly be exciting, and I'd think that will nudge him more to run.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump was acquitted over those bullshit partisan "non-crime" impeachments.

Trump was not acquitted of the insurrection
Even Republicans claimed he was guilty but that they couldn’t impeach after he was no longer President

 

[rightwinger]

2024 belongs to Trump in the GQP. I'd think he'll run, but the risk of losing again may keep him as GQP kingmaker.

It makes no sense for Trump to run in 2024 or for Republicans to back him for the third straight election.

That is why I think it will happen

 

[bendog]

Uhhh...

I thought you said you were looking for an alternative or at least you don't "get" why they don't.

The GOP had a choice between a true conservative and the blob and chose the blob because he was entertaining and the Senator got a "schlonging" as you put it...strangely.

In case you haven't noticed (and you haven't) anyone not named Trump is a "never trumper" eventually.

Imo W killed the conservative brand. In 20, McCain and Forbes both ran on no deficits, and lost. Forbes may have been the last conservative, but in 96 he was waffling libertarian and pro choice, and by 2020 had flipped to the religious right, who were having none of the Episcopalian's flip flop

The current "conservatives" like Cruz will say anything and do anything. I thought Rubio had a backbone. He's still relatively young. Both Cotton and Crenshaw seem more defined by "war."