Who is getting hurt and what we are losing with what Trump and Musk are doing!

[BlackSand]

There should be no such thing as "discretionary" spending when it applies to gov't.

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Good point ... But I wasn't really talking about the government ...
As much as the institutions doing the research.

In most cases they are already receiving Federal funding for operations ...
Including 'overhead' in their cost analysis when applying for a grant, which is something we are already paying for.

That's how they expand their 'research industry' ... By double dipping the 'overhead'.
It's what corporations do with 'profit' to achieve sustainable 'growth'.

Only we aren't talking about corporations and using discretion towards what they pursue ... In a cost/benefit analysis.
That's what has been turning the Federally funded research ... Into little more than a slush fund.

Good luck if you think half of the folks on Capitol Hill can understand that ... Or care for that matter.
They are more interested in securing the research they want, to support their desires ...
And 'fuck all' to any discretion.

But hey ... I know that is kind of complicated and involves many layers ...
But if we start 'peeling the onion', the pieces will become clearer.

Thanks for the input either way ... I really try to keep things simple ...
And your statement standing alone without qualifiers is absolutely correct ...

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[AZrailwhale]

Bullshit. Obama issued an EO dictation that oil had to physically be on one’s possession before it could be resold.

Speculators were foiled and the price dropped

Educate yourself

And how did that affect international oil futures? Answer, it didn't because he could only affect trades INSIDE the USA. Futures traders simply moved their business to other stock markets.

 

[Dragonlady]

Not America's responsibility. You're mistaking charity with responsibility.

It's called "enlightened self interest". If you want these nations to be your friend, and not side with your enemies, foreign aid will buy you friends. It also put Americans on the ground in these countries to encourage people to LIKE Americans.

Trump's wants everyone to fear him. He enjoys forcing others to do his will. Cruelty is a feature, not a bug. Even nations who give in to him, will HATE the USA. Everybody hates the bully, and the rest of the world is ready for your lying criminal this time.

 

[Dragonlady]

There should be no such thing as "discretionary" spending when it applies to gov't.

How to tell us you're a moron without using the words. Get back to us when you learn basic economics and world history.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[TimFitz]

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You sound convinced ... You indicate it is practically pointless to discuss ...
So why don't you save us all the trouble and try to hold your breath until that happens ...

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I don’t think I’ll have to wait as long as you think.

People are going to tire of being bullied and terrorized.

 

[TimFitz]

Look dumbass, Trump created DOGE as a legal temporary federal oversight agency by EO to audit the fed, and legally assigned Musk in charge of it.
It is done all the time. Nothing illegal about it.

Presidents cannot invent new government agencies by waving their magic wands. No, it does not happen all the time.

They name commissions, whose only duty is to investigate and present a report.

During wartime Presidents created many temporary agencies (the OSS being one of them). These were ratified by Congress who had to appropriate the money to fund them.

That’s how American government works.

Victor David Hanson is a crackpot.

 

[22lcidw]

It's called "enlightened self interest". If you want these nations to be your friend, and not side with your enemies, foreign aid will buy you friends. It also put Americans on the ground in these countries to encourage people to LIKE Americans.

Trump's wants everyone to fear him. He enjoys forcing others to do his will. Cruelty is a feature, not a bug. Even nations who give in to him, will HATE the USA. Everybody hates the bully, and the rest of the world is ready for your lying criminal this time.

The Founding Fathers would shoot these activist judges. Frankly, perhaps Trump should not even listen to their judgments as who even gave them that power. Trying to clean up government and the activists want corruption.

 

[Nostra]

Presidents cannot invent new government agencies by waving their magic wands. No, it does not happen all the time.

They name commissions, whose only duty is to investigate and present a report.

During wartime Presidents created many temporary agencies (the OSS being one of them). These were ratified by Congress who had to appropriate the money to fund them.

That’s how American government works.

Victor David Hanson is a crackpot.

This one was created under Obama, Stupid. Trump has just renamed it.

 

[TimFitz]

This one was created under Obama, Stupid. Trump has just renamed it.

No, it was not.

 

[BlackSand]

I don’t think I’ll have to wait as long as you think.

People are going to tire of being bullied and terrorized.

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We already are ... Not waiting any longer ... That was decided months ago.
Catch up dogface.

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[Nostra]

No, it was not.

Yep.

Get educated.

 

[Nostra]

Every action in life has benefits and consequences and the bottom line is that the goal is to always have more benefits than consequences, so the nation and its people can advance and not recede (two steps forward and 1 back rather than the opposite). This OP is going to discuss who is getting hurt and if the consequences of Trump's actions will end up being a plus or a minus for our country.

What Trump has been doing it trying to keep his campaign promises and as such, he is having a 53% approval rating for doing that. Keeping campaign promises is never a bad thing because it is what he was elected to do. Having said that, the way he does that and what the end result ends up being is what is going to make this nation better or worse.

Let me start with this one piece of common sense. Doing a lot of harm to others is never a plus.


In addition, his shutdown of USAID not only removes jobs from thousands of Americans but removes aid from the poor, sick, and needy in the world.

The plus to all of this is a reduction in spending. This hopefully means less debt but the way that Trump is doing it also means the following:

1) less Americans working
2) less taxes being collected
3) less people receiving the needed help to stay alive
4) more Americans needing help
5) more American companies losing the income they need to stay in business
6) more chaos and less order
7) allies becoming enemies
8) hate and payback feelings increased, bringing new problems

Yes, some of the promises made fulfill a need that the nation has but the way that Trump and Musk are going about fulfilling those promises is by using a sledgehammer approach and that is never a plus. Destroying things that have been in effect for decades and offer good and needed things but are full of "fat", is not the way to go. You trim the fat and put them on a diet but you don't blow them away and start from scratch.

That is a recipe for disaster

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My biggest accusation against Trump has always been incompetency. He has tried many things in life but with the exceptions of the things his father taught him from a young age (Real Estate and scamming people), Trump has been a disaster. He does not learn from his mistakes because he is a narcissist and always blames others for his own mistakes.

Musk has been a highly successful businessman all his life but it has always been in things he had an interest in and spent time learning about. Nonetheless, his ego has grown to such a degree that he is no longer spending the time to learn new things (such as what governing needs and requires, and what being in a business he has never been in, like social media needs and requires).

He bought Twitter in October of last year and made huge changes (the same he is trying to do now), and now 4 months later, Twitter (as X) has lost 79% in value, has lost most of its income (advertisers have left) and has lost viewership as the changes he made to the media itself, are not liked by the viewers.

Both of these people are making huge changes and are not thinking about the consequences of what they are doing and what possibly was a good thing is now looking like a disaster-in-the-making.

Amen

Someone is upset Trump cancelled his subscription to the Tranny Comic Book Club.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I mean, it's almost like the bureauracracy is so large, that it's impossible anyone to properly manage it. People on the books that are 150 years old, people getting SS checks where there is no identifying information. If these things are true, it sounds like it's the result of an organization where people are not filtering these things out.

 

[ThisIsMe]

No, it was not.

The USDS was launched on August 11, 2014 by president Barack Obama.

President Donald Trump issued an executive order on January 20, 2025, repurposing the acronym as the United States DOGE Service,

United States Digital Service - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[toobfreak]

Presidents cannot invent new government agencies by waving their magic wands. No, it does not happen all the time.

Idiot, USAID was "invented" by JFK with just a wave of a "magic wand" by one of his EOs, shithead. FDR and Truman invented half the alphabet agencies floating around today. An agency may be created through administrative action [presidential EO] or through legislation [Congress]. Either get your head out of your ass and know what you are talkking about or STFU.

United States Agency for International Development - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.wikipedia.org

That’s how American government works.
Victor David Hanson is a crackpot.

TRANSLATION: You just believe what you want. Case Closed, fuck you.

 

[BlackSand]

People on the books that are 150 years old, people getting SS checks where there is no identifying information.

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It's like when 25 people in 6 different locations are using the same Social Security number ...
Somehow the folks working so hard for the American people,
couldn't figure out that there was probably some fraud involved,

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[Nostra]

Idiot, USAID was "invented" by JFK with just a wave of a "magic wand" by one of his EOs, shithead. FDR and Truman invented half the alphabet agencies floating around today. An agency may be created through administrative action [presidential EO] or through legislation [Congress]. Either get your head out of your ass and know what you are talkking about or STFU.

United States Agency for International Development - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.wikipedia.org

TRANSLATION: You just believe what you want. Case Closed, fuck you.

The USDS was launched on August 11, 2014 by president Barack Obama.

President Donald Trump issued an executive order on January 20, 2025, repurposing the acronym as the United States DOGE Service,

United States Digital Service - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

lil Timmy is having a rough thread here.

 

[DBA]

“lose common sense’?

I’,m not the one who was dumb enough to believe that a couple of nineteen year olds did a complete “audit” of a large government agency in less than a week.

You fell for that.

In your mind, a couple of genius 19 year olds aren’t intelligent or wise enough to make these kinds of decisions and yet millions of non-genius 19 year olds are intelligent and wise enough to vote in mass for Democratic candidates.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

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We don't care ... If the people ripping us off, or those allowing it to continue, lose their jobs.
We don't care ... Especially about the chaos people create as their world of fraud, waste and abuse falls down around them.
We don't care ... If we root out the corruption and fraud, and cut off support to those who are ripping us off.
We don't need to care ... And will be more than happy to feed the starving crooks three meals a day in prison.

It is about the money ... Hard working tax paying American's money being wasted, stolen or abused ...
And specifically by the Establishment you are trying to support.

Your pleas for compassion are only judged in comparison to what you really want ...
The chickens have come home to roost ... And you cannot hide behind that shit anymore ...

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Looterphobe!!!