Who is getting hurt and what we are losing with what Trump and Musk are doing!

[fncceo]

1) less (fewer) Americans working
2) less taxes being collected
3) less (fewer) people receiving the needed help to stay alive

Fewer bad teachers who produced semi-literate graduates.

 

[Luckyone]

Fewer bad teachers who produced semi-literate graduates.

So the answer is to get rid of all teachers, right?

 

[MarathonMike]

Every action in life has benefits and consequences and the bottom line is that the goal is to always have more benefits than consequences, so the nation and its people can advance and not recede (two steps forward and 1 back rather than the opposite). This OP is going to discuss who is getting hurt and if the consequences of Trump's actions will end up being a plus or a minus for our country.

What Trump has been doing it trying to keep his campaign promises and as such, he is having a 53% approval rating for doing that. Keeping campaign promises is never a bad thing because it is what he was elected to do. Having said that, the way he does that and what the end result ends up being is what is going to make this nation better or worse.

Let me start with this one piece of common sense. Doing a lot of harm to others is never a plus.


In addition, his shutdown of USAID not only removes jobs from thousands of Americans but removes aid from the poor, sick, and needy in the world.

The plus to all of this is a reduction in spending. This hopefully means less debt but the way that Trump is doing it also means the following:

1) less Americans working
2) less taxes being collected
3) less people receiving the needed help to stay alive
4) more Americans needing help
5) more American companies losing the income they need to stay in business
6) more chaos and less order
7) allies becoming enemies
8) hate and payback feelings increased, bringing new problems

Yes, some of the promises made fulfill a need that the nation has but the way that Trump and Musk are going about fulfilling those promises is by using a sledgehammer approach and that is never a plus. Destroying things that have been in effect for decades and offer good and needed things but are full of "fat", is not the way to go. You trim the fat and put them on a diet but you don't blow them away and start from scratch.

That is a recipe for disaster

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My biggest accusation against Trump has always been incompetency. He has tried many things in life but with the exceptions of the things his father taught him from a young age (Real Estate and scamming people), Trump has been a disaster. He does not learn from his mistakes because he is a narcissist and always blames others for his own mistakes.

Musk has been a highly successful businessman all his life but it has always been in things he had an interest in and spent time learning about. Nonetheless, his ego has grown to such a degree that he is no longer spending the time to learn new things (such as what governing needs and requires, and what being in a business he has never been in, like social media needs and requires).

He bought Twitter in October of last year and made huge changes (the same he is trying to do now), and now 4 months later, Twitter (as X) has lost 79% in value, has lost most of its income (advertisers have left) and has lost viewership as the changes he made to the media itself, are not liked by the viewers.

Both of these people are making huge changes and are not thinking about the consequences of what they are doing and what possibly was a good thing is now looking like a disaster-in-the-making.

Amen

Banker whining about Trump's "incompetence" while he carries water for the Democrat Regime. LOL Their outright destruction of the Constitution, the DOJ, the FBI, our border security, doing absolutely nothing about the Fentanyl attack on our citizenry by China and the Cartels is what? Good for the country? Cry me a river Banker, you are either dumb as a rock or a total phony.

 

[fncceo]

So the answer is to get rid of all teachers, right?

Give a list of your former teachers so we know where to start.

 

[Concerned American]

deflection

denied.

OK, how about Clinton's charging the SS rent on a building that the US taxpayers paid for? Is that a better comparison? Like most empty headed playthings, they quickly lose their draw and become boring. You've reached that point. Now run along.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

When my wife was an RN she spent a lot of time with the disabled who absolutely refused to become abled. Ya, that`s on them.

This made me laugh.

In a moment of desperation I hired an alcoholic on social security disability to do some clean up work. He was sober and fantastic. He went above and beyond what I asked. I offered him the job full time. He turned me down. The government pays him well for being an alcoholic. If he quit drinking or even cut down his primary income would end.

Many of the disabled feel the same way.

 

[Luckyone]

This made me laugh.

In a moment of desperation I hired an alcoholic on social security disability to do some clean up work. He was sober and fantastic. He went above and beyond what I asked. I offered him the job full time. He turned me down. The government pays him well for being an alcoholic. If he quit drinking or even cut down his primary income would end.

Many of the disabled feel the same way.

As I have always said "humans are fallible by nature" and this means that if you look you can ALWAYS find an example of what you state. What counts is the whole picture and not just a few examples. The norm is NOT that people turn down a job or stay disabled when able is possible.

Perfection is an impossibility.

 

[Lisa558]

Every action in life has benefits and consequences and the bottom line is that the goal is to always have more benefits than consequences, so the nation and its people can advance and not recede (two steps forward and 1 back rather than the opposite). This OP is going to discuss who is getting hurt and if the consequences of Trump's actions will end up being a plus or a minus for our country.

What Trump has been doing it trying to keep his campaign promises and as such, he is having a 53% approval rating for doing that. Keeping campaign promises is never a bad thing because it is what he was elected to do. Having said that, the way he does that and what the end result ends up being is what is going to make this nation better or worse.

Let me start with this one piece of common sense. Doing a lot of harm to others is never a plus.


In addition, his shutdown of USAID not only removes jobs from thousands of Americans but removes aid from the poor, sick, and needy in the world.

The plus to all of this is a reduction in spending. This hopefully means less debt but the way that Trump is doing it also means the following:

1) less Americans working

The number of federal workers laid off is a blip compared to the overall labor force.

2) less taxes being collected

And a LOT less than the taxes being used to pay salaries of the overstaffed federal workers

3) less people receiving the needed help to stay alive

How so? Valid programs will be administered under State, but in the meantime, we save a fortune on the leftist insane giveaways

4) more Americans needing help

They can go on unemployment like private employees do. Happens all the time.

5) more American companies losing the income they need to stay in business

6) more chaos and less order

Like the order we have in Government? Hundreds of redundant agencies and departments where nobody knows what others are doing - and taxpayers paying for it all

7) allies becoming enemies

What allies? You mean like when Kamala snubbed our ally Israel to go to a sorority meeting?

8) hate and payback feelings increased, bringing new problems

….from the party screaming HITLER!!…..RACIST!!…..NAZI!!

Yes, some of the promises made fulfill a need that the nation has but the way that Trump and Musk are going about fulfilling those promises is by using a sledgehammer approach and that is never a plus. Destroying things that have been in effect for decades and offer good and needed things but are full of "fat", is not the way to go. You trim the fat and put them on a diet but you don't blow them away and start from scratch.

That is a recipe for disaster

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My biggest accusation against Trump has always been incompetency. He has tried many things in life but with the exceptions of the things his father taught him from a young age (Real Estate and scamming people), Trump has been a disaster. He does not learn from his mistakes because he is a narcissist and always blames others for his own mistakes.

Musk has been a highly successful businessman all his life but it has always been in things he had an interest in and spent time learning about. Nonetheless, his ego has grown to such a degree that he is no longer spending the time to learn new things (such as what governing needs and requires, and what being in a business he has never been in, like social media needs and requires).

He bought Twitter in October of last year and made huge changes (the same he is trying to do now), and now 4 months later, Twitter (as X) has lost 79% in value, has lost most of its income (advertisers have left) and has lost viewership as the changes he made to the media itself, are not liked by the viewers.

Both of these people are making huge changes and are not thinking about the consequences of what they are doing and what possibly was a good thing is now looking like a disaster-in-the-making.

Amen

 

[Luckyone]

The number of federal workers laid off is a blip compared to the overall labor force.

That may be true but they are not making an effort to see who should be fired and who should not. They are indiscriminately getting rid of people. That is pure incompetence.

And a LOT less than the taxes being used to pay salaries of the overstaffed federal workers

Who makes the decisions that they are overstaffed? Trump? Musk? Why do not they first investigate with the people in charge of those departments as to who is overstaffed and what positions are not needed?

How so? Valid programs will be administered under State, but in the meantime, we save a fortune on the leftist insane giveaways

No, Federal aid and programs are just that.............FEDERAL!!!!

They can go on unemployment like private employees do. Happens all the time.

Sure they can but first of all, higher unemployment causes economic damage to the nation and also some of those fired have been there all their lives and done a great job and should be given something for what they have contributed to our country. How would you like to dedicate your life to helping people unselfishly and get fired for no reason or just because they want to cut expenses. Is that fair, moral, ethical, or humane?

Like the order we have in Government? Hundreds of redundant agencies and departments where nobody knows what others are doing - and taxpayers paying for it all

That may be true but then again you do not take a chainsaw and cut indiscriminately without doing research.

What allies? You mean like when Kamala snubbed our ally Israel to go to a sorority meeting?

So you actually think that having the entire world against you is the best way to go?

….from the party screaming HITLER!!…..RACIST!!…..NAZI!!

This is Hitler-type actions. No doubt about it.

You evidently don't know much about how economies work and neither does Trump or Musk and the problem is that when they find out, it will be too late for us all.

 

[Concerned American]

They are indiscriminately getting rid of people.

Fake news.

Why do not they first investigate with the people in charge of those departments as to who is overstaffed and what positions are not needed?

Because they are the same people who are responsibility for the status quo that is bloated.

How would you like to dedicate your life to helping people unselfishly and get fired for no reason or just because they want to cut expenses. Is that fair, moral, ethical, or humane?

You bet it is. I spent two useless hours on the phone with the VA today trying to get an answer from a human. After more than two hours. I had as much info as I started with---nothing. The federal government is bloated with people that use automated answering systems to keep them from doing ANYTHING for their pay.

That may be true but then again you do not take a chainsaw and cut indiscriminately without doing research.

Many public sector companies do just that when the company is being grossly mismanaged. They gut it and then add back with a workforce that is competent.

So you actually think that having the entire world against you is the best way to go?

LOL, you are not the entire world and if you look at the first 30 days accomplishments, he is very successful and supported by more world leaders each day. Indeed, you represent less than half of the voters in the US. Tissue?

 

[Orangecat]

So the answer is to get rid of all teachers, right?

Nope, just the woke ones.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Your goofy conspiracy theories are the reason point and laugh at you.

But he kind of has a point there, almost all politicians try to line their pocket. Trump and pretty much everybody else.

 

[Mac-7]

N

Every action in life has benefits and consequences and the bottom line is that the goal is to always have more benefits than consequences, so the nation and its people can advance and not recede (two steps forward and 1 back rather than the opposite). This OP is going to discuss who is getting hurt and if the consequences of Trump's actions will end up being a plus or a minus for our country.

What Trump has been doing it trying to keep his campaign promises and as such, he is having a 53% approval rating for doing that. Keeping campaign promises is never a bad thing because it is what he was elected to do. Having said that, the way he does that and what the end result ends up being is what is going to make this nation better or worse.

Let me start with this one piece of common sense. Doing a lot of harm to others is never a plus.


In addition, his shutdown of USAID not only removes jobs from thousands of Americans but removes aid from the poor, sick, and needy in the world.

The plus to all of this is a reduction in spending. This hopefully means less debt but the way that Trump is doing it also means the following:

1) less Americans working
2) less taxes being collected
3) less people receiving the needed help to stay alive
4) more Americans needing help
5) more American companies losing the income they need to stay in business
6) more chaos and less order
7) allies becoming enemies
8) hate and payback feelings increased, bringing new problems

Yes, some of the promises made fulfill a need that the nation has but the way that Trump and Musk are going about fulfilling those promises is by using a sledgehammer approach and that is never a plus. Destroying things that have been in effect for decades and offer good and needed things but are full of "fat", is not the way to go. You trim the fat and put them on a diet but you don't blow them away and start from scratch.

That is a recipe for disaster

View attachment 1077048

My biggest accusation against Trump has always been incompetency. He has tried many things in life but with the exceptions of the things his father taught him from a young age (Real Estate and scamming people), Trump has been a disaster. He does not learn from his mistakes because he is a narcissist and always blames others for his own mistakes.

Musk has been a highly successful businessman all his life but it has always been in things he had an interest in and spent time learning about. Nonetheless, his ego has grown to such a degree that he is no longer spending the time to learn new things (such as what governing needs and requires, and what being in a business he has never been in, like social media needs and requires).

He bought Twitter in October of last year and made huge changes (the same he is trying to do now), and now 4 months later, Twitter (as X) has lost 79% in value, has lost most of its income (advertisers have left) and has lost viewership as the changes he made to the media itself, are not liked by the viewers.

Both of these people are making huge changes and are not thinking about the consequences of what they are doing and what possibly was a good thing is now looking like a disaster-in-the-making.

Amen

None of your list of horribles has come true

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Every action in life has benefits and consequences and the bottom line is that the goal is to always have more benefits than consequences, so the nation and its people can advance and not recede (two steps forward and 1 back rather than the opposite). This OP is going to discuss who is getting hurt and if the consequences of Trump's actions will end up being a plus or a minus for our country.

What Trump has been doing it trying to keep his campaign promises and as such, he is having a 53% approval rating for doing that. Keeping campaign promises is never a bad thing because it is what he was elected to do. Having said that, the way he does that and what the end result ends up being is what is going to make this nation better or worse.

Let me start with this one piece of common sense. Doing a lot of harm to others is never a plus.


In addition, his shutdown of USAID not only removes jobs from thousands of Americans but removes aid from the poor, sick, and needy in the world.

The plus to all of this is a reduction in spending. This hopefully means less debt but the way that Trump is doing it also means the following:

1) less Americans working
2) less taxes being collected
3) less people receiving the needed help to stay alive
4) more Americans needing help
5) more American companies losing the income they need to stay in business
6) more chaos and less order
7) allies becoming enemies
8) hate and payback feelings increased, bringing new problems

Yes, some of the promises made fulfill a need that the nation has but the way that Trump and Musk are going about fulfilling those promises is by using a sledgehammer approach and that is never a plus. Destroying things that have been in effect for decades and offer good and needed things but are full of "fat", is not the way to go. You trim the fat and put them on a diet but you don't blow them away and start from scratch.

That is a recipe for disaster

View attachment 1077048

My biggest accusation against Trump has always been incompetency. He has tried many things in life but with the exceptions of the things his father taught him from a young age (Real Estate and scamming people), Trump has been a disaster. He does not learn from his mistakes because he is a narcissist and always blames others for his own mistakes.

Musk has been a highly successful businessman all his life but it has always been in things he had an interest in and spent time learning about. Nonetheless, his ego has grown to such a degree that he is no longer spending the time to learn new things (such as what governing needs and requires, and what being in a business he has never been in, like social media needs and requires).

He bought Twitter in October of last year and made huge changes (the same he is trying to do now), and now 4 months later, Twitter (as X) has lost 79% in value, has lost most of its income (advertisers have left) and has lost viewership as the changes he made to the media itself, are not liked by the viewers.

Both of these people are making huge changes and are not thinking about the consequences of what they are doing and what possibly was a good thing is now looking like a disaster-in-the-making.

Amen

Wow, we really agree on stuff. I'm with you, forget the fraud, the waste of our tax dollars, ineffectiveness and inefficiency. Ignorance is bliss, they need to just leave it alone.

 

[Luckyone]

N

None of your list of horribles has come true

First of all, objectives require a journey to get there (does not happen overnight). A couple of things are important to note already.

The stock market has already started to react with the DOW having dropped 3000 points since Trump took office. This means that they moneyed people in-the-know are expecting negatives (not positives) from Trump

Wow, we really agree on stuff. I'm with you, forget the fraud, the waste of our tax dollars, ineffectiveness and inefficiency. Ignorance is bliss, they need to just leave it alone.

Fraud, waste, ineffectiveness and inefficiency has always occurred and will always occur given that we are humans. This will happen no matter if the Republicans or Democrats are in charge.

What can change is the AMOUNT of that, that occurs (more or less, extreme or not),

I do not disagree with the idea of what is happening. I disagree with the methods and people doing it.

Methods = going to the opposite extreme and causing more problems than the problems solved.

People = Trump and Musk are con artists that simply want to do things to where they are the ones in charge, they are the ones that are getting the money, and they are the ones lying about it.

You and all Trump supporters are talking and thinking about the ideal situation that would fix the negatives that you perceive exist (none of which are as bad as you have been told by the lies given to you by Trump and his people).

That is not doable to the degree that you want/expect. Human nature will never allow it to happen.

What is TRULY needed is a scalpel (not a chainsaw) where you extract the excesses in order to bring it down from the extremes to what reality is (as far as human nature permits).

Bottom line is that you are being lied to and scammed and that will never solve the issues that you want fixed. All you are doing is changing the people doing it, or changing the problems to something else, that likely will be worse (such as a Dictatorship where Democracy and the Constitution are thrown to the garbage).

As I have stated a million times before............I am not against the issues. I am against Trump. He will NOT solve the issues and he will make things worse.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Every action in life has benefits and consequences and the bottom line is that the goal is to always have more benefits than consequences, so the nation and its people can advance and not recede (two steps forward and 1 back rather than the opposite). This OP is going to discuss who is getting hurt and if the consequences of Trump's actions will end up being a plus or a minus for our country.

What Trump has been doing it trying to keep his campaign promises and as such, he is having a 53% approval rating for doing that. Keeping campaign promises is never a bad thing because it is what he was elected to do. Having said that, the way he does that and what the end result ends up being is what is going to make this nation better or worse.

Let me start with this one piece of common sense. Doing a lot of harm to others is never a plus.


In addition, his shutdown of USAID not only removes jobs from thousands of Americans but removes aid from the poor, sick, and needy in the world.

The plus to all of this is a reduction in spending. This hopefully means less debt but the way that Trump is doing it also means the following:

1) less Americans working
2) less taxes being collected
3) less people receiving the needed help to stay alive
4) more Americans needing help
5) more American companies losing the income they need to stay in business
6) more chaos and less order
7) allies becoming enemies
8) hate and payback feelings increased, bringing new problems

Yes, some of the promises made fulfill a need that the nation has but the way that Trump and Musk are going about fulfilling those promises is by using a sledgehammer approach and that is never a plus. Destroying things that have been in effect for decades and offer good and needed things but are full of "fat", is not the way to go. You trim the fat and put them on a diet but you don't blow them away and start from scratch.

That is a recipe for disaster

View attachment 1077048

My biggest accusation against Trump has always been incompetency. He has tried many things in life but with the exceptions of the things his father taught him from a young age (Real Estate and scamming people), Trump has been a disaster. He does not learn from his mistakes because he is a narcissist and always blames others for his own mistakes.

Musk has been a highly successful businessman all his life but it has always been in things he had an interest in and spent time learning about. Nonetheless, his ego has grown to such a degree that he is no longer spending the time to learn new things (such as what governing needs and requires, and what being in a business he has never been in, like social media needs and requires).

He bought Twitter in October of last year and made huge changes (the same he is trying to do now), and now 4 months later, Twitter (as X) has lost 79% in value, has lost most of its income (advertisers have left) and has lost viewership as the changes he made to the media itself, are not liked by the viewers.

Both of these people are making huge changes and are not thinking about the consequences of what they are doing and what possibly was a good thing is now looking like a disaster-in-the-making.

Amen

/—-/ democRATs are losing their slush fund. Other than that, no one.

 

[DGS49]

While it is a nice thing that governments employ a lot of people in the course of carrying out their various missions, government does not exist to employ people. They have an obligation to the taxpayers to employ only enough people to do the job, no more.

Every large organization becomes bloated in time. New functions are added, obsolete functions are retained, and the same goes with personnel. It is inevitable and part of the nature of bureaucracy.

In the private sector, this is addressed periodically when there is a merger, reorganization, a new leader, a business downturn, or a major change in the marketplace. Some executive decides that it's time to take a look at everything that is being done, whether it is really necessary, and so on. (I was personally RIF'd at least four times during my private-sector career). Sometimes it's called "zero-based budgeting." Make every person and program justify its existence.

A good example of how this plays out when a private sector company DOES NOT have these periodic house-cleanings is Sears Roebuck. They were the dominant force in retailing for generations. They were by far the best employer for retail managers; most of the big block chains raided Sears for their first CEO's and whatnot. But when the marketplace changed they refused to accept the fact that they had to change, and the rest is history.

But as a general proposition, this doesn't happen in the public sector. Candidates for elective office always promise it, but when they get in, they realize that the bureaucracy has the power to make him a complete failure if they are antagonistic to his programs, so they do a few token things and let it go at that.

Donald Trump is not a typical politician, AND he is a "lame duck." He has taken his mandate seriously and it is driving the Leftists crazy because many of their pet programs and money sources are drying up.

Furthermore, Musk knows that when you want to downsize a large organization, you have to do it quickly and decisively, even knowing that in the process, you are going to cut some very good people. Because if you let the normal processes play out, the current managers will retain the "good old boys" and get rid of the newcomers who still have a bit of ambition, thus making the cuts a disaster.

I personally wish Trump would say publicly that much of what Congress spends money on is beyond their Constitutional powers to spend money, and in the case of a budget crisis, the first things to go are the things that should not exist in the first place. Reading the lists of programs and agencies being cut every day, it is striking how many of them are Constitutional nonsense.

 

[j-mac]

Every action in life has benefits and consequences and the bottom line is that the goal is to always have more benefits than consequences, so the nation and its people can advance and not recede (two steps forward and 1 back rather than the opposite). This OP is going to discuss who is getting hurt and if the consequences of Trump's actions will end up being a plus or a minus for our country.

What Trump has been doing it trying to keep his campaign promises and as such, he is having a 53% approval rating for doing that. Keeping campaign promises is never a bad thing because it is what he was elected to do. Having said that, the way he does that and what the end result ends up being is what is going to make this nation better or worse.

Let me start with this one piece of common sense. Doing a lot of harm to others is never a plus.


In addition, his shutdown of USAID not only removes jobs from thousands of Americans but removes aid from the poor, sick, and needy in the world.

The plus to all of this is a reduction in spending. This hopefully means less debt but the way that Trump is doing it also means the following:

1) less Americans working
2) less taxes being collected
3) less people receiving the needed help to stay alive
4) more Americans needing help
5) more American companies losing the income they need to stay in business
6) more chaos and less order
7) allies becoming enemies
8) hate and payback feelings increased, bringing new problems

Yes, some of the promises made fulfill a need that the nation has but the way that Trump and Musk are going about fulfilling those promises is by using a sledgehammer approach and that is never a plus. Destroying things that have been in effect for decades and offer good and needed things but are full of "fat", is not the way to go. You trim the fat and put them on a diet but you don't blow them away and start from scratch.

That is a recipe for disaster

View attachment 1077048

My biggest accusation against Trump has always been incompetency. He has tried many things in life but with the exceptions of the things his father taught him from a young age (Real Estate and scamming people), Trump has been a disaster. He does not learn from his mistakes because he is a narcissist and always blames others for his own mistakes.

Musk has been a highly successful businessman all his life but it has always been in things he had an interest in and spent time learning about. Nonetheless, his ego has grown to such a degree that he is no longer spending the time to learn new things (such as what governing needs and requires, and what being in a business he has never been in, like social media needs and requires).

He bought Twitter in October of last year and made huge changes (the same he is trying to do now), and now 4 months later, Twitter (as X) has lost 79% in value, has lost most of its income (advertisers have left) and has lost viewership as the changes he made to the media itself, are not liked by the viewers.

Both of these people are making huge changes and are not thinking about the consequences of what they are doing and what possibly was a good thing is now looking like a disaster-in-the-making.

Amen

Status quo is gone. The sooner you accept that, the easier things will go.