Who here favors expanding the Supreme Court?

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Holding off an appointment doesn't create the potential for an agreeable presidency and senate to grab absolute power. Court packing does.
It had the same effect
It prevented a Conservative Court from flipping to a Liberal majority.

Trump ended up with a Republican House, Senate and Conservative Court

Absolute power over Three Branches of Government
And............did he ram through everything he wanted .........NOPE........he didn't have a super majority like Obama ALMOST had ..............he only narrowly passed Obamacare........after bribing the living hell out of RINO'S.......RINO's only vote for the dough..............

Not so easy ..........without a super majority now is it.
Obama never had a Liberal Court. After Scalia died, he should have

He was blocked for a year from filling the seat
 

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Holding off an appointment doesn't create the potential for an agreeable presidency and senate to grab absolute power. Court packing does.
It had the same effect
It prevented a Conservative Court from flipping to a Liberal majority.

Trump ended up with a Republican House, Senate and Conservative Court

Absolute power over Three Branches of Government
One party controlling the three branches isn't anything CLOSE to absolute power.

Setting the precedent that a party with control of the senate and presidency can create a majority of literally whoever they want on the supreme court gives them the opportunity to immediately have a 10-9 decision in favor of whatever they feel like doing.

If you honestly can't see why court stacking enables levels of insanely unrestricted power, I'd have to say that you're either cartoonishly naive or you haven't thought this through thoroughly at all.
That is exactly what Republicans did.
They controlled the Senate and blocked a Democratic President from filling a seat for a year.
When they won the Presidency, they were able to force through a nomination using the nuclear option.
Trump ended up with the absolute power over three branches of Government you complain about.

If Republicans don’t like it, let them win one of the branches
Are you being intentionally dense about this?

Do you honestly not understand the difference between political carte blanche within the bounds of a constitutional system, and absolute power?

Like, I'm honestly BAFFLED that you would try to equate what you're describing with boundless authority. These concepts aren't even in the same universe.
You keep saying absolute power but ignore the fact that Republicans abused the system to obtain absolute power for Trump.

If Democrats want to flex their political muscle to get the same absolute power......you complain
 

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Holding off an appointment doesn't create the potential for an agreeable presidency and senate to grab absolute power. Court packing does.
It had the same effect
It prevented a Conservative Court from flipping to a Liberal majority.

Trump ended up with a Republican House, Senate and Conservative Court

Absolute power over Three Branches of Government
And............did he ram through everything he wanted .........NOPE........he didn't have a super majority like Obama ALMOST had ..............he only narrowly passed Obamacare........after bribing the living hell out of RINO'S.......RINO's only vote for the dough..............

Not so easy ..........without a super majority now is it.
Obama never had a Liberal Court. After Scalia died, he should have

He was blocked for a year from filling the seat
Did the world end.........nope........OBAMA said elections have consequences..............you lost...............OH WELL........

When you lost you try to change the rules to make your side win.............not matter how low or immoral it is that you do......

Yours side shouldn't be allowed to lead a girl scout troop.
 

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Holding off an appointment doesn't create the potential for an agreeable presidency and senate to grab absolute power. Court packing does.
It had the same effect
It prevented a Conservative Court from flipping to a Liberal majority.

Trump ended up with a Republican House, Senate and Conservative Court

Absolute power over Three Branches of Government
One party controlling the three branches isn't anything CLOSE to absolute power.

Setting the precedent that a party with control of the senate and presidency can create a majority of literally whoever they want on the supreme court gives them the opportunity to immediately have a 10-9 decision in favor of whatever they feel like doing.

If you honestly can't see why court stacking enables levels of insanely unrestricted power, I'd have to say that you're either cartoonishly naive or you haven't thought this through thoroughly at all.
That is exactly what Republicans did.
They controlled the Senate and blocked a Democratic President from filling a seat for a year.
When they won the Presidency, they were able to force through a nomination using the nuclear option.
Trump ended up with the absolute power over three branches of Government you complain about.

If Republicans don’t like it, let them win one of the branches
Are you being intentionally dense about this?

Do you honestly not understand the difference between political carte blanche within the bounds of a constitutional system, and absolute power?

Like, I'm honestly BAFFLED that you would try to equate what you're describing with boundless authority. These concepts aren't even in the same universe.
You keep saying absolute power but ignore the fact that Republicans abused the system to obtain absolute power for Trump.

If Democrats want to flex their political muscle to get the same absolute power......you complain
Trump has nothing approaching absolute power. Courts have struck down a plethora of his policies.

Let's take for granted, for the sake of argument, that the republican senators are as deep in Trump's pockets as you say. You're suggesting a precedent that would be the equivalent of Trump and those senatorial servants being able to appoint 10 new justices right now who, when Trump puts out an executive order making himself El Presidente de por Vida, give him a 10-9 majority.

That's what absolute power would look like.
 

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Would Democrat’s packing the court be an abuse of political power?
Of course it would

Was Republicans blocking Obama from filling a seat for a year an abuse of political power?
Of course it was

Would both acts have long term political repercussions?
Of course they would
 

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Long ago during the reign of FDR the nation experienced the Progressive attack on Constitutional law known as the Court Packing Scheme. Many of you probably have never even heard of it in school because schools only cast a favorable light on Progressives such as FDR, but it happened nonetheless. Essentially, SCOTUS had just struck down FDR's New Deal in many regards and he was pissed out of his mind, so he came up with a scheme to add Supreme Court Justices who would pass his legislation. Luckily, no one else wanted to go along with this blatant attempt to subvert the checks and balances set up by the Founders that stood in FDR's way. And Americans were overwhelmingly against the idea as well. This sort of corruption is what later prompted Congress to act to limit the terms of the President, with FDR who had just achieved his third term.

However, FDR is a Progressive god to Progressives today, and they are wanting to follow in his footsteps by trying to do what he tried to do long ago. The difference today is that you have about half the populace ready to follow the DNC no matter what it does or says, as opposed to Americans back in the 1040's who were aghast at the corruption of FDR and his Court Packing Scheme. Mark my words, once back in power they will attempt this because their agenda is so radical, they will need to rewrite the Constitution with the help of their Supreme Court Justice stooges.

So who here agrees with it?

The reasoning in the article was this:

“We can’t go on like this where every time there’s a vacancy, there’s this apocalyptic ideological battle,” he added.

But how would the ideological battle change with more Supreme Court justices? It makes not sense. Essentially, the battles would rage even more as more and more would need to be appointed.


This sort of thing is what we have to look forward to with a Biden win
I don’t think so...would make the court more unwieldy.

I think term limits are better. I heard 18 yrs suggested. Would decrease the extreme politicization.
 

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Holding off an appointment doesn't create the potential for an agreeable presidency and senate to grab absolute power. Court packing does.
It had the same effect
It prevented a Conservative Court from flipping to a Liberal majority.

Trump ended up with a Republican House, Senate and Conservative Court

Absolute power over Three Branches of Government
And............did he ram through everything he wanted .........NOPE........he didn't have a super majority like Obama ALMOST had ..............he only narrowly passed Obamacare........after bribing the living hell out of RINO'S.......RINO's only vote for the dough..............

Not so easy ..........without a super majority now is it.
Obama never had a Liberal Court. After Scalia died, he should have

He was blocked for a year from filling the seat
Did the world end.........nope........OBAMA said elections have consequences..............you lost...............OH WELL........

When you lost you try to change the rules to make your side win.............not matter how low or immoral it is that you do......

Yours side shouldn't be allowed to lead a girl scout troop.
Exactly
If you have political power.....USE IT

If Dems take the White House and Congress and want to pack the court........Elections have consequences
 

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Holding off an appointment doesn't create the potential for an agreeable presidency and senate to grab absolute power. Court packing does.
It had the same effect
It prevented a Conservative Court from flipping to a Liberal majority.

Trump ended up with a Republican House, Senate and Conservative Court

Absolute power over Three Branches of Government
And............did he ram through everything he wanted .........NOPE........he didn't have a super majority like Obama ALMOST had ..............he only narrowly passed Obamacare........after bribing the living hell out of RINO'S.......RINO's only vote for the dough..............

Not so easy ..........without a super majority now is it.
Obama never had a Liberal Court. After Scalia died, he should have

He was blocked for a year from filling the seat
Did the world end.........nope........OBAMA said elections have consequences..............you lost...............OH WELL........

When you lost you try to change the rules to make your side win.............not matter how low or immoral it is that you do......

Yours side shouldn't be allowed to lead a girl scout troop.
Exactly
If you have political power.....USE IT

If Dems take the White House and Congress and want to pack the court........Elections have consequences
We don't throw down the toys and refuse to play like your side does...........packing the court with more is changing the game............pissing on the intent of the Constitution..........and done by assholes who didn't get the belt as kids enough.
 

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Would Democrat’s packing the court be an abuse of political power?
Of course it would

Was Republicans blocking Obama from filling a seat for a year an abuse of political power?
Of course it was

Would both acts have long term political repercussions?
Of course they would
Both acts have long term political repercussions? That's your argument? Calling another politician the C word has long term political repercussions. That doesn't mean that those repercussions are anywhere NEAR the severity of the probable repercussions of court packing.

Loosely categorizing them together does not make them equivalent.
 

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