Zone1 Who created all things?

[Meriweather]

That's a copout. Fear is the number one emotion used to make people follow and believe you. THAT is philosophy.

No. Apparently you got scared easily as a kid. As I was one of the oldest in a large family, I was always there for the little ones who were scare about the usual little kid things. I grew up with, There is nothing to fear but fear itself. I'm surprised your parents/grandparents didn't teach you this. Still, it must have been rough for you, and I am sorry about that. Most kids outgrow it.

 

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That's a copout. Fear is the number one emotion used to make people follow and believe you. THAT is philosophy.

Virtue is the greatest organizing principle known to man.

You are a pretty sour guy.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

No. Apparently you got scared easily as a kid. As I was one of the oldest in a large family, I was always there for the little ones who were scare about the usual little kid things. I grew up with, There is nothing to fear but fear itself. I'm surprised your parents/grandparents didn't teach you this. Still, it must have been rough for you, and I am sorry about that. Most kids outgrow it.

You are way off base. The way to indoctrinate young kids is to scare them into believing.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Virtue is the greatest organizing principle known to man.

You are a pretty sour guy.

That’s crazy. What is the drawing card to turn nonbelievers into believers?

 

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That’s crazy. What is the drawing card to turn nonbelievers into believers?

What is crazy? That virtue is the greatest organizing principle known to man? No, that's not crazy. It's logical.

The "drawing card" for faith is peace, joy and happiness. Things you don't seem to be familiar with.

 

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You are way off base. The way to indoctrinate young kids is to scare them into believing.

I feel sorry you.

Does Christianity teach fear?

Christianity does not promote a fear of punishment or torment as a primary teaching. While the Bible acknowledges fear as a natural human emotion and sometimes uses the term "fear of God" to describe reverence and awe, it emphasizes overcoming fear through faith, love, and God's presence. Specifically, 1 John 4:18 states that "perfect love casts out fear".

Here's a more detailed explanation:

Fear as a Natural Emotion:

• The Bible acknowledges that fear is a natural human experience, and Christians are not exempt from experiencing it.
• Situations like danger, uncertainty, or the unknown can naturally trigger fear.
• However, Christians are encouraged to face these fears with faith and trust in God.
  

Fear of God:

• The Bible uses the phrase "fear of the Lord" to describe a deep reverence, respect, and awe for God.
• This fear is not a terror-filled dread, but rather a recognition of God's power, holiness, and authority.
• It is a motivator for obedience and a starting point for wisdom.
  

Overcoming Fear:

• Christianity emphasizes that God's love casts out fear.
  
  
• Through faith in Jesus Christ, believers are offered forgiveness, reconciliation with God, and the promise of eternal life, which can alleviate the fear of death and judgment.
  
  
• The Bible also emphasizes the importance of courage, strength, and trust in God's promises as ways to overcome fear.
  
  
• Phrases like "Do not fear" or "Be strong and courageous" are repeated throughout the Bible, often accompanied by promises of God's presence and help.
  
  
• The concept of "fear not" is frequently used in the Bible, especially in the context of angels or God speaking to reassure people.
  

Examples in the Bible:

• Hebrews 13:6:
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  "So we can confidently say, “The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?”"
  
  
• 1 John 4:18:
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  "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love."
  
  
• Isaiah 41:10:
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  "So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand."
  
  
• Matthew 10:28:
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  "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
  

 

[Meriweather]

You are way off base. The way to indoctrinate young kids is to scare them into believing.

You have a strange way of raising children. Nothing about religion scared me or anyone else in my class of fifty-two, or my siblings, cousins, and Christian neighbors. The only thing I was scared of was art--precisely, getting an F in art because of how terrible I was with anything art. I was always afraid of getting that well deserved F. My teachers explained the C I was given was because I tried so hard. Seriously, how many homilies have you ever heard on hell? In my entire life, I've heard three. Did you never listen to how God loved that adulterous, murderous King David? Or, how when Peter denied him, Jesus sent Peter straight to hell....oh, wait a minute...it didn't happen that way. I wonder why....It was because the New Testament and Catholicism is about proclaiming love and forgiveness. Where were you during all those lessons?

I'm curious. Why that need to scare yourself? Or, why do you scare so easily? Were your friends and classmates as scared as you?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

You have a strange way of raising children. Nothing about religion scared me or anyone else in my class of fifty-two, or my siblings, cousins, and Christian neighbors. The only thing I was scared of was art--precisely, getting an F in art because of how terrible I was with anything art. I was always afraid of getting that well deserved F. My teachers explained the C I was given was because I tried so hard. Seriously, how many homilies have you ever heard on hell? In my entire life, I've heard three. Did you never listen to how God loved that adulterous, murderous King David? Or, how when Peter denied him, Jesus sent Peter straight to hell....oh, wait a minute...it didn't happen that way. I wonder why....It was because the New Testament and Catholicism is about proclaiming love and forgiveness. Where were you during all those lessons?

I'm curious. Why that need to scare yourself? Or, why do you scare so easily? Were your friends and classmates as scared as you?

You previously said this and we have gone over it. You claimed that Catholics did not claim that hell was real and nonbelievers go there. I sent you the proof that this is their main belief straight from the Vatican. Now if this wasn't something hammered into you as a kid, you weren't exposed to their theology.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I feel sorry you.

Does Christianity teach fear?

Christianity does not promote a fear of punishment or torment as a primary teaching. While the Bible acknowledges fear as a natural human emotion and sometimes uses the term "fear of God" to describe reverence and awe, it emphasizes overcoming fear through faith, love, and God's presence. Specifically, 1 John 4:18 states that "perfect love casts out fear".

Here's a more detailed explanation:

Fear as a Natural Emotion:

• The Bible acknowledges that fear is a natural human experience, and Christians are not exempt from experiencing it.
• Situations like danger, uncertainty, or the unknown can naturally trigger fear.
• However, Christians are encouraged to face these fears with faith and trust in God.

Fear of God:

• The Bible uses the phrase "fear of the Lord" to describe a deep reverence, respect, and awe for God.
• This fear is not a terror-filled dread, but rather a recognition of God's power, holiness, and authority.
• It is a motivator for obedience and a starting point for wisdom.

Overcoming Fear:

• Christianity emphasizes that God's love casts out fear.
  
  
• Through faith in Jesus Christ, believers are offered forgiveness, reconciliation with God, and the promise of eternal life, which can alleviate the fear of death and judgment.
  
  
• The Bible also emphasizes the importance of courage, strength, and trust in God's promises as ways to overcome fear.
  
  
• Phrases like "Do not fear" or "Be strong and courageous" are repeated throughout the Bible, often accompanied by promises of God's presence and help.
  
  
• The concept of "fear not" is frequently used in the Bible, especially in the context of angels or God speaking to reassure people.

Examples in the Bible:

• Hebrews 13:6:
  .Opens in new tab
  "So we can confidently say, “The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?”"
  
  
• 1 John 4:18:
  .Opens in new tab
  "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love."
  
  
• Isaiah 41:10:
  .Opens in new tab
  "So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand."
  
  
• Matthew 10:28:
  .Opens in new tab
  "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

I posted the treatise direct from the Vatican that nonbelievers go to hell. I don't care about bible verses. They are all man-written, many decades and even centuries later by devious people crafting a religion by indoctrination.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

What is crazy? That virtue is the greatest organizing principle known to man? No, that's not crazy. It's logical.

The "drawing card" for faith is peace, joy and happiness. Things you don't seem to be familiar with.

Did you know that leftists have adopted every single one of the indoctrination and control tactics of your organized religion? Listen to or read what they say and do to coerce people into their belief system. Like you, they are "holier than thou". You are claiming that the drawing card for Catholics to attract believers is that Catholics (you) are virtuous. This is preening at the zenith and saying Catholics are better than the rest of the sinners and they are virtuous and you can be too. On any topic leftwingers are doing the same thing and here are some examples:

If you arrest illegal aliens you are not taking care of your fellow man who just needs food and shelter. We give them sanctuary.

If you don't raise taxes on the rich to help the poor and downtrodden you are selfish. We leftists are virtuos and you are not and you should be ashamed.

If you don't want to include transgenders in your group you are discriminating against a marginalized group. We are virtuous leftists and include them.

If you don't want minorities in government and corporations to have the exact representation even though their education isn't up o par, you are selfish and don't want to diversify and have equality. We are virtuous and you are not.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Virtue is the greatest organizing principle known to man.

You are a pretty sour guy.

Where do you acquire these weird beliefs? Are you some evangelical who thinks you strive for perfection all the time and fail because you are a "sinner" because of the stain of Adam and Eve's original sin?

 

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I posted the treatise direct from the Vatican that nonbelievers go to hell. I don't care about bible verses. They are all man-written, many decades and even centuries later by devious people crafting a religion by indoctrination.

So a massive conspiracy to steal your money and control your mind, eh? Good thing you are too smart for that.

 

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Did you know that leftists have adopted every single one of the indoctrination and control tactics of your organized religion? Listen to or read what they say and do to coerce people into their belief system. Like you, they are "holier than thou". You are claiming that the drawing card for Catholics to attract believers is that Catholics (you) are virtuous. This is preening at the zenith and saying Catholics are better than the rest of the sinners and they are virtuous and you can be too. On any topic leftwingers are doing the same thing and here are some examples:

If you arrest illegal aliens you are not taking care of your fellow man who just needs food and shelter. We give them sanctuary.

If you don't raise taxes on the rich to help the poor and downtrodden you are selfish. We leftists are virtuos and you are not and you should be ashamed.

If you don't want to include transgenders in your group you are discriminating against a marginalized group. We are virtuous leftists and include them.

If you don't want minorities in government and corporations to have the exact representation even though their education isn't up o par, you are selfish and don't want to diversify and have equality. We are virtuous and you are not.

Given that you would abolish religion, I can't think of a bigger leftist than you. And any idiot that would ban religion would ban guns too.

 

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Where do you acquire these weird beliefs? Are you some evangelical who thinks you strive for perfection all the time and fail because you are a "sinner" because of the stain of Adam and Eve's original sin?

Like I said, it's logical that virtue is the greatest organizing principle known to man. So I wouldn't expect you to understand it.

 

[Meriweather]

You claimed that Catholics did not claim that hell was real and nonbelievers go there.

No, that is not what I claimed, it is what you understood--and so I explained again, again, and again. There I stop.

 

[Meriweather]

Now if this wasn't something hammered into you as a kid, you weren't exposed to their theology.

Hell was explained quite simply. It was eternity without God, and people could choose this eternity. Also, evil cannot exist in heaven, so if one chooses evil, one cannot also choose heaven. Did you miss the lessons on Jesus as our redeemer, that sins are forgiven, that God is love?

As a kid, I wasn't all that interested in choosing to be evil. Was that one of your interests, and why you so greatly feared hell?

 

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I posted the treatise direct from the Vatican that nonbelievers go to hell. I don't care about bible verses.

This is from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Feel free to post the excerpt from the Vatican Treatise you believe contradicts this and then I'll show you where your error was. Hop to it.

IV. Hell

1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: "He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."610 Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.611 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell."

1034 Jesus often speaks of "Gehenna" of "the unquenchable fire" reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost.612 Jesus solemnly proclaims that he "will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,"613 and that he will pronounce the condemnation: "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!"614

1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire."615 The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

1036 The affirmations of Sacred Scripture and the teachings of the Church on the subject of hell are a call to the responsibility incumbent upon man to make use of his freedom in view of his eternal destiny. They are at the same time an urgent call to conversion: "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few."616

Since we know neither the day nor the hour, we should follow the advice of the Lord and watch constantly so that, when the single course of our earthly life is completed, we may merit to enter with him into the marriage feast and be numbered among the blessed, and not, like the wicked and slothful servants, be ordered to depart into the eternal fire, into the outer darkness where "men will weep and gnash their teeth."617

1037 God predestines no one to go to hell;618 for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want "any to perish, but all to come to repentance":619

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Hell was explained quite simply. It was eternity without God, and people could choose this eternity. Also, evil cannot exist in heaven, so if one chooses evil, one cannot also choose heaven. Did you miss the lessons on Jesus as our redeemer, that sins are forgiven, that God is love?

As a kid, I wasn't all that interested in choosing to be evil. Was that one of your interests, and why you so greatly feared hell?

You are lying Again. Read what the Vatican says.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

This is from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Feel free to post the excerpt from the Vatican Treatise you believe contradicts this and then I'll show you where your error was. Hop to it.

IV. Hell

1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: "He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."610 Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.611 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell."

1034 Jesus often speaks of "Gehenna" of "the unquenchable fire" reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost.612 Jesus solemnly proclaims that he "will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,"613 and that he will pronounce the condemnation: "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!"614

1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire."615 The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

1036 The affirmations of Sacred Scripture and the teachings of the Church on the subject of hell are a call to the responsibility incumbent upon man to make use of his freedom in view of his eternal destiny. They are at the same time an urgent call to conversion: "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few."616

Since we know neither the day nor the hour, we should follow the advice of the Lord and watch constantly so that, when the single course of our earthly life is completed, we may merit to enter with him into the marriage feast and be numbered among the blessed, and not, like the wicked and slothful servants, be ordered to depart into the eternal fire, into the outer darkness where "men will weep and gnash their teeth."617

1037 God predestines no one to go to hell;618 for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want "any to perish, but all to come to repentance":619

Reread for homework 1037

 

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Reread for homework 1037

Can't you post the part you are arguing?