Zone1 Who created all things?

[kjw47]

All the very basic ingredients that lead to life on this planet are found throughout the universe.
For instance, exo-planet K2-18b, 124 light years from Earth, has been found to have water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, dimethyl sulfide and a similar temperature to Earth. Dimethyl sulfide is only produced by phytoplanktons, a marine alga.
Marine alga are a lifeform made up of cells.
This is why I say that we are the stuff of stars.

God created the whole universe.

 

[kjw47]

Prove it.

God will prove it, but then it will be to late for ones like you.

 

[hadit]

Jesus has a God= no worship--God does not have a God.

Like I said, your "translators" just substituted words instead of actually translating the original texts. They couldn't because they can't read the originals. Jesus created all things = God created all things. You have to just change words to avoid that one. Jesus sits at God's right hand and receives worship. Again, you have to change words.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

God will prove it, but then it will be to late for ones like you.

You should show your post to another prolific poster here named Meriweather who said it was not true that Christians use fear as their number one tool to scare people into believing what they believe.

 

[Meriweather]

You should show your post to another prolific poster here named Meriweather who said it was not true that Christians use fear as their number one tool to scare people into believing what they believe.

Did kjw47 's post scare you?

 

[Alter2Ego]

Paradoxical#1:

The 2,000+ accurately fulfilled prophecies contained therein is the proof that the Judeo-Christian Bible was written by divine inspiration of Jehovah God. Some of these prophecies have been confirmed by secular historians and archeology.

2 Peter 1:21​

"For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit."

Give me one.

Paradoxical#1:

At a atheist-dominated where I've debated over the years, one of the atheists asked me for 10 fulfilled prophecies as proof the Bible is inspired by Almighty God Jehovah. When I began providing the prophecies and their confirmation by archeologists and secular historians, he lost interest. By the time I reached prophecy #6, he was long gone. The point being, skeptics are not interested in proof of anything. They simply show up at websites like these to parade the fact that the Religion of Atheism is their choice.



Alter2Ego

 

[Paradoxical#1]

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Did kjw47 's post scare you?

I did not because I deconstructed long ago. It is used to scare people into a belief as I told you and you doubted me or that others did that.

 

[Meriweather]

I did not because I deconstructed long ago. It is used to scare people into a belief as I told you and you doubted me or that others did that.

The reason I doubt you is that no one in my family of atheists is scared they may end up in hell; and those who believe do not practice their faith because they fear hell. What non-believers cannot seem to absorb is that those who practice their faith do so because it makes this life so much better. Have you never had friends and/or family who have enriched your life through knowing one another? Knowing God is like that. He enriches one's life.

As we have discussed before, God sends no one to hell--it is an individual choice. Truth: God saves many from making that choice.

 

[kjw47]

Like I said, your "translators" just substituted words instead of actually translating the original texts. They couldn't because they can't read the originals. Jesus created all things = God created all things. You have to just change words to avoid that one. Jesus sits at God's right hand and receives worship. Again, you have to change words.

There are no original texts so what are you talking about? When the protestants translated the Greek lexicons all NT stuff came from Catholicism translating= the Latin Vulgate and the Codex Sinacticus-both made in the 4th century by Catholicism. It was they( Catholicism=2Thess 2:3) who added errors and removed Gods name against his will--All those translations mislead thus one cannot accomplish this=John 4:22-24--Its why those religions are a mass of confusion=a house divided will not stand.

 

[kjw47]

You should show your post to another prolific poster here named Meriweather who said it was not true that Christians use fear as their number one tool to scare people into believing what they believe.

I state facts, not fear. Any who read the bible will find fear when the tribulation and this hits( Rev 16--Rev 19:11)-if they are not living to do Jesus' Fathers will over self now in this satan ruled system( Matt 7:21)--Its a very sad reality 99% minimum are being mislead to stand in opposition to Gods king-even many who think they are standing for him.

 

[cnm]

It's understandable how the universe popping into existence being created from nothing hardwired to produce intelligence would threaten your atheistic worldview. It's so improbable that it could have only been an intentional act. After all, it is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. And I can't think of anything more intelligent than a self assembling creation which produces intelligence because the constant presence of mind made it so.

The Gawd of Gaps is always with us.

 

[ding]

The Gawd of Gaps is always with us.

Of course you are going to see it that way. But then again you guys deny the universe was created from nothing even though it is the mainstream science.

 

[frigidweirdo]

All indications at this point say that the universe began in an instant at a point and has been expanding ever since. Some force other than gravity is pushing it to expand, and we don't know what that is.

The speed of light in a vacuum is constant. It cannot and does not change.

It hasn't, that's the point. Light moving through a vacuum always moves at the same speed.

Actually, the Big Bang theory postulates that the universe started as pure energy because matter only formed after it cooled down enough for elementary particles to coalesce into being.

Except the universe is expanding fast enough that gravity can't pull it back together. If it stops expanding, it could contract again into a Big Crunch, followed by a bounce, but as of right now, the expansion is actually accelerating. Something is causing the universe to expand faster and faster. If it does not stop, eventually there will be nothing to see in the night sky except for our local galaxy cluster.

Let's clear a few things up here.

1. Light speed in a vacuum doesn't change. A photon does not experience time, to a photon there is no time between when it was generated in the heart of a star and when it is absorbed by your retina.
2. The relative speed of time does change when an object is moving. If a spacecraft contains a clock and the craft is moving relative to an observer outside the craft, the observer will see the clock running slower.
3. An observer inside the craft does not see his clock slow down. To him, nothing has changed.
4. If an object could travel at light speed, an outside observer would see the clock stop while an observer inside the craft would experience no time at all until he slowed down below light speed. To him the trip would be instantaneous, he would see one location then in the next instant a different location. Of course, that cannot happen. Mass cannot travel at light speed.

Interestingly I watched a video recently



In it he said something along the lines of "we could be in a black hole and that all black holes lead to other universes", so that the beginning of what we have, wasn't the beginning of the energy. Lots of possibilities like that.

The speed of light doesn't change. What changes is TIME.

Imagine you have light and it passes through an area full of mass, time will be faster than light that passes through an empty area. We know these places exist, mass is not constant throughout the universe.

Our local area has a "great attractor" which is an area where our supercluster is moving towards

Great Attractor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There's an opposite area which has so little mass that it essentially pushes mass away from it. So, two beams of light traveling at the same speed from the same distance away will arrive at Earth at different times, because TIME is different for them. Time dilation happens for satellites in our orbit, imagine how time would differ elsewhere.

Gravitational time dilation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Relative to Earth's age in billions of years, Earth's core is in effect 2.5 years younger than its surface."

As you said "The speed of light in a locale is always equal to c according to the observer who is there."

"Gravitational time dilation has been experimentally measured using atomic clocks on airplanes, such as the Hafele–Keating experiment. The clocks aboard the airplanes were slightly faster than clocks on the ground. The effect is significant enough that the Global Positioning System's artificial satellites had their atomic clocks permanently corrected."

So, it's a thing, time isn't the same everywhere. So light doesn't change, time does.

Yes, the universe probably started as "pure energy". But then was are atoms made out of? Protons, neutrons, electrons. What are they made out of? Protons have a positive charge. They're energy. And these things are made up of quarks and gluons. This is, as far as I can tell, just energy.

So, you have, for example, String Theory. It's kind of been dismissed as the math doesn't add up, however the theory is that energy is in waves, and the wave determines its properties. Now they've moved on to M theory which is similar, fundamentals are similar, however there are many different properties. For example some energy might be in 11 dimensions or something like that.

So, what happened at a Big Bang was that all the energy came together and imploded/exploded and then the energy, super hot, got thrown out and then cooled down to temperatures where it could form quarks, gluons, neutrons, electrons, protons, atoms etc. It's all still energy.

The universe is expanding. It's been said it's expanding like bread being baked in the oven. The amount of energy is the same, the mass is the same, it's just increasing in size. Maybe gravity will one day pull it all back, maybe one day all that energy will reach a super-duper attractor which will pull it all together again.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

The reason I doubt you is that no one in my family of atheists is scared they may end up in hell; and those who believe do not practice their faith because they fear hell. What non-believers cannot seem to absorb is that those who practice their faith do so because it makes this life so much better. Have you never had friends and/or family who have enriched your life through knowing one another? Knowing God is like that. He enriches one's life.

As we have discussed before, God sends no one to hell--it is an individual choice. Truth: God saves many from making that choice.

I practiced your beliefs and it didn't make my life one bit happier. Truth and reason make me happy.

But as you can see, Christians are using the fear emotion and I quote that same poster:

I state facts, not fear. Any who read the bible will find fear when the tribulation and this hits( Rev 16--Rev 19:11)-if they are not living to do Jesus' Fathers will over self now in this satan ruled system( Matt 7:21)--Its a very sad reality 99% minimum are being mislead to stand in opposition to Gods king-even many who think they are standing for him.

You are being disingenuous to assert that true atheists aren't scared by that. I am, talking about the unsuspecting and unaware humans which are plentiful and subject to indoctrination by those playing the fear emotion you see above.

 

[Meriweather]

I practiced your beliefs and it didn't make my life one bit happier.

We must have been practicing different beliefs. I suspect I went with philosophy and you went with science.

 

[Meriweather]

But as you can see, Christians are using the fear emotion and I quote that same poster:

Shrug. You find it fearful. I find it silly.

 

[kjw47]

I practiced your beliefs and it didn't make my life one bit happier. Truth and reason make me happy.

But as you can see, Christians are using the fear emotion and I quote that same poster:

I state facts, not fear. Any who read the bible will find fear when the tribulation and this hits( Rev 16--Rev 19:11)-if they are not living to do Jesus' Fathers will over self now in this satan ruled system( Matt 7:21)--Its a very sad reality 99% minimum are being mislead to stand in opposition to Gods king-even many who think they are standing for him.

You are being disingenuous to assert that true atheists aren't scared by that. I am, talking about the unsuspecting and unaware humans which are plentiful and subject to indoctrination by those playing the fear emotion you see above.

God wrote the bible through righteous men via holy spirit. Not to instill fear but to warn what is coming. That is love to warn in advance how he must end this wicked system to bring his kingdom rule to a reality. All have the opportunity to gain eternal life in perfection. Please dont throw that opportunity away.

 

[Meriweather]

God wrote the bible through righteous men via holy spirit. Not to instill fear but to warn what is coming. That is love to warn in advance how he must end this wicked system to bring his kingdom rule to a reality. All have the opportunity to gain eternal life in perfection. Please dont throw that opportunity away.

Jesus taught that the Kingdom of God is within the reach of everyone, today, right now. It is not God's intent that we wait until our death to enter the Kingdom. It is a way of life we enter now, in this life. There is no waiting. Kingdom living is eternal; it extends into our next life.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Shrug. You find it fearful. I find it silly.

That's a copout. Fear is the number one emotion used to make people follow and believe you. THAT is philosophy.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

God wrote the bible through righteous men via holy spirit. Not to instill fear but to warn what is coming. That is love to warn in advance how he must end this wicked system to bring his kingdom rule to a reality. All have the opportunity to gain eternal life in perfection. Please dont throw that opportunity away.

May I see your evidence that God wrote the bible through righteous men via holy spirit?