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Isaiah 44:24=This is what Jehovah has said, your repurchaser and the former of you from the belly. I Jehovah am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the Earth, who was with me?
Myself ( 1 single being) is meaning-The only power source and designer of all creation.--How do we know this?
Gen 1:26--Let US make man in our image--Us = we, But in verse Gen 1:27 it says-HE created, Prov 8:27-28-HE created HE = a single being--So then what does US mean?
US = Jehovah and his master worker( Jesus)(Prov 8:30= The one who was beside God during creating, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son. At John 1:3 and Col 1:16-created-THROUGH Jesus= means another did the creating= HE=Jehovah THROUGH his master worker.
This is the reality of how creation worked.
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation--All creation occurred at the beginning, is there proof Jesus is created= yes-Prov 8:22-Possessed me as the beginning of your way( creating) The Hebrew word for Possessed= created--Thus Gods master worker( Jesus) was created first=direct=Monogenes( unique) which is the translation of only begotten son.
These are bible facts. There are certain errors in altered translations that make it seem like Jesus created all things, but the facts i have presented are bible truth=Gods truth.
 
Isaiah 44:24=This is what Jehovah has said, your repurchaser and the former of you from the belly. I Jehovah am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the Earth, who was with me?
Myself ( 1 single being) is meaning-The only power source and designer of all creation.--How do we know this?
Gen 1:26--Let US make man in our image--Us = we, But in verse Gen 1:27 it says-HE created, Prov 8:27-28-HE created HE = a single being--So then what does US mean?
US = Jehovah and his master worker( Jesus)(Prov 8:30= The one who was beside God during creating, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son. At John 1:3 and Col 1:16-created-THROUGH Jesus= means another did the creating= HE=Jehovah THROUGH his master worker.
This is the reality of how creation worked.
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation--All creation occurred at the beginning, is there proof Jesus is created= yes-Prov 8:22-Possessed me as the beginning of your way( creating) The Hebrew word for Possessed= created--Thus Gods master worker( Jesus) was created first=direct=Monogenes( unique) which is the translation of only begotten son.
These are bible facts. There are certain errors in altered translations that make it seem like Jesus created all things, but the facts i have presented are bible truth=Gods truth.
Jesus created all things. Under the direction of the Father
 
The Hebrew word translated Possessed at Prov 8:22 means created-Jesus is the Firstborn of all creation. So yes he is created, That is Why-HE=Jehovah created it all.
Scriptures like John 1:3 state that "All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made". This emphasizes that Jesus played a crucial role in the creation process, rather than being a creature himself.
 
John 1:1-3, 14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

God the Father called Jesus to represent the godhead on this earth. Jesus is Jehovah of the Old Testament. Jesus is the creator as verse 3 above states.

Genesis 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

In verse 26, God the father is speaking to another member of the godhead, Jesus Christ, and that is why there is "us" and "our". Verse 27 tells us that man was created in the image of God both male and female. Contrasting these verses with John 1:1-3,14 above we see that it truly was God the Father and Jesus in the beginning and that it was through Jesus Christ that the Father had all things created that were made. Jesus is Jehovah of the Old Testament.
 
Christ did
 
Scriptures like John 1:3 state that "All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made". This emphasizes that Jesus played a crucial role in the creation process, rather than being a creature himself.
I just showed the evidence that you are in error. You can't just throw bible reality away. It all must be applied to matters of Gods truth. The darkness throws it away.
 
I just showed the evidence that you are in error. You can't just throw bible reality away. It all must be applied to matters of Gods truth. The darkness throws it away.
John 1:1-3 establishes that "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". This "Word" is identified as Jesus, highlighting his pre-existence and involvement in creation.
 
How many make up-HE? Gen 1:27, Prov 8:27-28--The answer = 1 not us or we as you are taught.
And that "He" is Jesus Christ aka The Word as John 1:1-3, 14 so clearly teaches us.
 
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John 1:1-3 establishes that "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". This "Word" is identified as Jesus, highlighting his pre-existence and involvement in creation.
I showed you that translating error already At John 1:1
This is fact=It was Jesus who was by Gods side during creation-- He is Gods master worker of Prov 8:30--Prov 8:22-Jesus tells you- verse 22-Possessed( created) me as the beginning of your way=Created direct first and last--Prov 8:27-28 Jesus tells you-HE created-not WE.
 
No He is Jehovah as Isaiah 44:24 shows in a real bible.
Isaiah 44:24
24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Jehovah is our Redeemer even Jesus Christ. He is also the creator:

John 1:1-3, 14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
 
Isaiah 44:24=This is what Jehovah has said, your repurchaser and the former of you from the belly. I Jehovah am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the Earth, who was with me?
Myself ( 1 single being) is meaning-The only power source and designer of all creation.--How do we know this?
Gen 1:26--Let US make man in our image--Us = we, But in verse Gen 1:27 it says-HE created, Prov 8:27-28-HE created HE = a single being--So then what does US mean?
US = Jehovah and his master worker( Jesus)(Prov 8:30= The one who was beside God during creating, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son. At John 1:3 and Col 1:16-created-THROUGH Jesus= means another did the creating= HE=Jehovah THROUGH his master worker.
This is the reality of how creation worked.
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation--All creation occurred at the beginning, is there proof Jesus is created= yes-Prov 8:22-Possessed me as the beginning of your way( creating) The Hebrew word for Possessed= created--Thus Gods master worker( Jesus) was created first=direct=Monogenes( unique) which is the translation of only begotten son.
These are bible facts. There are certain errors in altered translations that make it seem like Jesus created all things, but the facts i have presented are bible truth=Gods truth.
Why do they need to have been created?

Essentially everything is just energy. Was energy created, or has energy existed for all time?

Whoever created the universe would also have to have been created. For if that being/entity could have just existed for all time, then the energy could have existed for all time too.
 
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