Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

P F Tinmore

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States are required to have a defined territory.
It does not apply to Palestine, as Palestine was not declared a state.
Who said?

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Pal'istan is a state?

Link?

Why are the Pals still whining about securing statehood if Pal'istan is already a state?

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Abbas Wants Timetable For Palestinian Statehood

Did your forget to tell Mahmoud about your Treaty of Lausanne conspiracy theory, you know, the conspiracy theory about the Treaty of Lausanne magically creating the 'state of Pal'istan'?
I wouldn't put The Palestinians and Abbas in the same sentence.
Still ducking those “new states” you claim exist but can’t identify.

Still ducking that Pal “statehood” issue. Why is the Abbas mini-caliphate whining about ‘statehood’ when according to you, the Magical Kingdom of Pally’land already exists as a state?
Abbas still believes in Oslo and the two state delusion.
 

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States are required to have a defined territory.
It does not apply to Palestine, as Palestine was not declared a state.
Who said?

Link?
Pal'istan is a state?

Link?

Why are the Pals still whining about securing statehood if Pal'istan is already a state?

Link?

Abbas Wants Timetable For Palestinian Statehood

Did your forget to tell Mahmoud about your Treaty of Lausanne conspiracy theory, you know, the conspiracy theory about the Treaty of Lausanne magically creating the 'state of Pal'istan'?
I wouldn't put The Palestinians and Abbas in the same sentence.
Still ducking those “new states” you claim exist but can’t identify.

Still ducking that Pal “statehood” issue. Why is the Abbas mini-caliphate whining about ‘statehood’ when according to you, the Magical Kingdom of Pally’land already exists as a state?
Abbas still believes in Oslo and the two state delusion.
Still ducking those “new states” you claim exist but can’t identify.

Still ducking that Pal “statehood” issue. Why is the Abbas mini-caliphate whining about ‘statehood’ when according to you, the Magical Kingdom of Pally’land already exists as a state?
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Palestine was the Short Title to the territory to which the Mandate applied.

It does not apply to Palestine, as Palestine was not declared a state.
Who said?

Link?
(COMMENT)


Palestinian Responses to the Turkish War of Independence •Pg 21 said:
Britain ruled Palestine under a military administration until the formation of a civil administration in July 1920. A similar administration in Damascus under the Hashemite Amir Faysal became a de facto Arab State; in March 1920 the General Syrian Congress (which first met in July 1919 and included former Palestinian members of the Ottoman parliament) proclaimed Faysal king of a united Syria, including Lebanon, Palestine, and Transjordan. In Palestine, opposition to British support for Zionism coalesced in the Palestinian Arab Congress in January 1919 and was expressed in civil disturbances in April 1920. That same month the San Remo conference made clear British and French intentions to rule the erstwhile Arab provinces as “Mandates” from the League of Nations, the British Mandate for Palestine incorporating the Balfour Declaration. By the summer, Britain and France cemented their rule, with Britain initiating the civil administration in Palestine and the French expelling Faysal from Syria in July 1920. Ottoman recognition of the San Remo terms was secured by the dictated Treaty of Sèvres the following month.
SOURCE: Liminal Loyalties: Ottomanism and Palestinian Responses to the Turkish War of Independence, 1919–22 by Awad Halabi • Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol.41 No. 3-Spring 2012 from the Institute for Palestine Studies

Extract • APPENDIX XIV • Minutes - 1920 Conference of San Remo Pg 927 said:
(b) That the terms of the mandates article should be as follows:-

The high contracting parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall. in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations), be provisionally recognised as independent States. subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The boundaries of the said States will be determined, and the selection of the mandatories made, by the Principal Allied Powen:

The high contracting parties agree to entrust; by application of the provisions of article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the
Principal Allied Power~ to a mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on the 8th [2nd} November. 1917, by the British Government. and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.le, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing nonJewish communities in Palestine; or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country:-
(COMMENT)

What you should take away from this is that is that (1) only Syria and Mesopotamia were provisionally recognized and (2) that the British Government intended to "administer" the territory under the Mandate for Palestine.

YOUR QUESTION: Who said?
ANSWER: The Supreme Council of Allied Powers
!

At the end of the day, the political efforts and political efforts of the Arab Palestinians were a dismal failure. And they Arab Palestinians have followed that unsuccessful path for a century.

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Most Respectfully,
R



 

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◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination." How many times have you said:• {POSTING #914} The "Right of Self-Determination." applies to people inside their own territory. It does not change territory. • {POSTING # 2572} Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
OK? SO? Where is the problem?
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."• {ARTICLE 3} The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. This applies directly to the existence of the Jewish State, whether or not you agree. The National Council for the Jewish State did not require the Arab Palestinians to consent in the establishment of Israel.
States are required to have a defined territory.

The Palestinians declared independence on its own land inside its international borders.

Israel declared independence on Palestinian land inside Palestine's international borders.

Palestine has a defined territory. Israel does not.
When did “Palestine” declare independence ? AFTER Israel did. That’s because they did not have their shit together, but Israel did. Too little , too late.... TOO BAD!
You missed the point of my post.
Very very nice duck . Why can’t you answer the question ? When did Palestine declare independence, and why is there ZERO information on Palestine’s alleged international borders?
I can find links for ANY country in the world by typing “ borders of ‘COUNTRY X’ “ , yet there is nothing for Palestine .
 

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◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination." How many times have you said:• {POSTING #914} The "Right of Self-Determination." applies to people inside their own territory. It does not change territory. • {POSTING # 2572} Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
OK? SO? Where is the problem?
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."• {ARTICLE 3} The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. This applies directly to the existence of the Jewish State, whether or not you agree. The National Council for the Jewish State did not require the Arab Palestinians to consent in the establishment of Israel.
States are required to have a defined territory.

The Palestinians declared independence on its own land inside its international borders.

Israel declared independence on Palestinian land inside Palestine's international borders.

Palestine has a defined territory. Israel does not.
Where is this "Pal'istanian land'' you are rattling on about? You have never identified any territory that the Arabs-Moslems held sovereignty over.

As seems to be the typical case that you are making the same claims you have been making repetitively and tediously for about a decade now and which have been shown to be false.
I have already posted a UN map showing Palestine's international borders. I have also posted UN documents showing Palestine's international borders.

You need to keep up.
The “Tinmore Tactic”:
Instead of actually posting links to back up his claims , he come up with ‘I already posted it, you need to keep up’.

What’s funny is, the opposite is true. He did not post anything to back up his claim, OR he posts something completely unrelated and claims it makes his post true.

Then he asks pro Israelis to post links when they have already done so plenty of times...
PF Tinmore, you truly are a legend ! One of a kind!
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Palestine was the Short Title to the territory to which the Mandate applied.

It does not apply to Palestine, as Palestine was not declared a state.
Who said?

Link?
(COMMENT)


Palestinian Responses to the Turkish War of Independence •Pg 21 said:
Britain ruled Palestine under a military administration until the formation of a civil administration in July 1920. A similar administration in Damascus under the Hashemite Amir Faysal became a de facto Arab State; in March 1920 the General Syrian Congress (which first met in July 1919 and included former Palestinian members of the Ottoman parliament) proclaimed Faysal king of a united Syria, including Lebanon, Palestine, and Transjordan. In Palestine, opposition to British support for Zionism coalesced in the Palestinian Arab Congress in January 1919 and was expressed in civil disturbances in April 1920. That same month the San Remo conference made clear British and French intentions to rule the erstwhile Arab provinces as “Mandates” from the League of Nations, the British Mandate for Palestine incorporating the Balfour Declaration. By the summer, Britain and France cemented their rule, with Britain initiating the civil administration in Palestine and the French expelling Faysal from Syria in July 1920. Ottoman recognition of the San Remo terms was secured by the dictated Treaty of Sèvres the following month.​
SOURCE: Liminal Loyalties: Ottomanism and Palestinian Responses to the Turkish War of Independence, 1919–22 by Awad Halabi • Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol.41 No. 3-Spring 2012 from the Institute for Palestine Studies​

Extract • APPENDIX XIV • Minutes - 1920 Conference of San Remo Pg 927 said:
(b) That the terms of the mandates article should be as follows:-


The high contracting parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall. in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations), be provisionally recognised as independent States. subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The boundaries of the said States will be determined, and the selection of the mandatories made, by the Principal Allied Powen:


The high contracting parties agree to entrust; by application of the provisions of article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the

Principal Allied Power~ to a mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on the 8th [2nd} November. 1917, by the British Government. and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.le, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing nonJewish communities in Palestine; or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country:-

(COMMENT)

What you should take away from this is that is that (1) only Syria and Mesopotamia were provisionally recognized and (2) that the British Government intended to "administer" the territory under the Mandate for Palestine.

YOUR QUESTION: Who said?
ANSWER: The Supreme Council of Allied Powers
!

At the end of the day, the political efforts and political efforts of the Arab Palestinians were a dismal failure. And they Arab Palestinians have followed that unsuccessful path for a century.

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people

What did that mean?
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Palestine was the Short Title to the territory to which the Mandate applied.

It does not apply to Palestine, as Palestine was not declared a state.
Who said?

Link?
(COMMENT)


Palestinian Responses to the Turkish War of Independence •Pg 21 said:
Britain ruled Palestine under a military administration until the formation of a civil administration in July 1920. A similar administration in Damascus under the Hashemite Amir Faysal became a de facto Arab State; in March 1920 the General Syrian Congress (which first met in July 1919 and included former Palestinian members of the Ottoman parliament) proclaimed Faysal king of a united Syria, including Lebanon, Palestine, and Transjordan. In Palestine, opposition to British support for Zionism coalesced in the Palestinian Arab Congress in January 1919 and was expressed in civil disturbances in April 1920. That same month the San Remo conference made clear British and French intentions to rule the erstwhile Arab provinces as “Mandates” from the League of Nations, the British Mandate for Palestine incorporating the Balfour Declaration. By the summer, Britain and France cemented their rule, with Britain initiating the civil administration in Palestine and the French expelling Faysal from Syria in July 1920. Ottoman recognition of the San Remo terms was secured by the dictated Treaty of Sèvres the following month.​
SOURCE: Liminal Loyalties: Ottomanism and Palestinian Responses to the Turkish War of Independence, 1919–22 by Awad Halabi • Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol.41 No. 3-Spring 2012 from the Institute for Palestine Studies​

Extract • APPENDIX XIV • Minutes - 1920 Conference of San Remo Pg 927 said:
(b) That the terms of the mandates article should be as follows:-


The high contracting parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall. in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations), be provisionally recognised as independent States. subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The boundaries of the said States will be determined, and the selection of the mandatories made, by the Principal Allied Powen:


The high contracting parties agree to entrust; by application of the provisions of article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the

Principal Allied Power~ to a mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on the 8th [2nd} November. 1917, by the British Government. and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.le, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing nonJewish communities in Palestine; or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country:-

(COMMENT)

What you should take away from this is that is that (1) only Syria and Mesopotamia were provisionally recognized and (2) that the British Government intended to "administer" the territory under the Mandate for Palestine.

YOUR QUESTION: Who said?
ANSWER: The Supreme Council of Allied Powers
!

At the end of the day, the political efforts and political efforts of the Arab Palestinians were a dismal failure. And they Arab Palestinians have followed that unsuccessful path for a century.

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
Where does it say that Palestine was not a state?
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Palestine was the Short Title to the territory to which the Mandate applied.

It does not apply to Palestine, as Palestine was not declared a state.
Who said?

Link?
(COMMENT)


Palestinian Responses to the Turkish War of Independence •Pg 21 said:
Britain ruled Palestine under a military administration until the formation of a civil administration in July 1920. A similar administration in Damascus under the Hashemite Amir Faysal became a de facto Arab State; in March 1920 the General Syrian Congress (which first met in July 1919 and included former Palestinian members of the Ottoman parliament) proclaimed Faysal king of a united Syria, including Lebanon, Palestine, and Transjordan. In Palestine, opposition to British support for Zionism coalesced in the Palestinian Arab Congress in January 1919 and was expressed in civil disturbances in April 1920. That same month the San Remo conference made clear British and French intentions to rule the erstwhile Arab provinces as “Mandates” from the League of Nations, the British Mandate for Palestine incorporating the Balfour Declaration. By the summer, Britain and France cemented their rule, with Britain initiating the civil administration in Palestine and the French expelling Faysal from Syria in July 1920. Ottoman recognition of the San Remo terms was secured by the dictated Treaty of Sèvres the following month.​
SOURCE: Liminal Loyalties: Ottomanism and Palestinian Responses to the Turkish War of Independence, 1919–22 by Awad Halabi • Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol.41 No. 3-Spring 2012 from the Institute for Palestine Studies​

Extract • APPENDIX XIV • Minutes - 1920 Conference of San Remo Pg 927 said:
(b) That the terms of the mandates article should be as follows:-


The high contracting parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall. in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations), be provisionally recognised as independent States. subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The boundaries of the said States will be determined, and the selection of the mandatories made, by the Principal Allied Powen:


The high contracting parties agree to entrust; by application of the provisions of article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the

Principal Allied Power~ to a mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on the 8th [2nd} November. 1917, by the British Government. and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.le, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing nonJewish communities in Palestine; or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country:-

(COMMENT)

What you should take away from this is that is that (1) only Syria and Mesopotamia were provisionally recognized and (2) that the British Government intended to "administer" the territory under the Mandate for Palestine.

YOUR QUESTION: Who said?
ANSWER: The Supreme Council of Allied Powers
!

At the end of the day, the political efforts and political efforts of the Arab Palestinians were a dismal failure. And they Arab Palestinians have followed that unsuccessful path for a century.

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people

What did that mean?
It meant you don’t understand.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Palestine was the Short Title to the territory to which the Mandate applied.

It does not apply to Palestine, as Palestine was not declared a state.
Who said?

Link?
(COMMENT)


Palestinian Responses to the Turkish War of Independence •Pg 21 said:
Britain ruled Palestine under a military administration until the formation of a civil administration in July 1920. A similar administration in Damascus under the Hashemite Amir Faysal became a de facto Arab State; in March 1920 the General Syrian Congress (which first met in July 1919 and included former Palestinian members of the Ottoman parliament) proclaimed Faysal king of a united Syria, including Lebanon, Palestine, and Transjordan. In Palestine, opposition to British support for Zionism coalesced in the Palestinian Arab Congress in January 1919 and was expressed in civil disturbances in April 1920. That same month the San Remo conference made clear British and French intentions to rule the erstwhile Arab provinces as “Mandates” from the League of Nations, the British Mandate for Palestine incorporating the Balfour Declaration. By the summer, Britain and France cemented their rule, with Britain initiating the civil administration in Palestine and the French expelling Faysal from Syria in July 1920. Ottoman recognition of the San Remo terms was secured by the dictated Treaty of Sèvres the following month.​
SOURCE: Liminal Loyalties: Ottomanism and Palestinian Responses to the Turkish War of Independence, 1919–22 by Awad Halabi • Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol.41 No. 3-Spring 2012 from the Institute for Palestine Studies​

Extract • APPENDIX XIV • Minutes - 1920 Conference of San Remo Pg 927 said:
(b) That the terms of the mandates article should be as follows:-


The high contracting parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall. in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations), be provisionally recognised as independent States. subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The boundaries of the said States will be determined, and the selection of the mandatories made, by the Principal Allied Powen:


The high contracting parties agree to entrust; by application of the provisions of article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the

Principal Allied Power~ to a mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on the 8th [2nd} November. 1917, by the British Government. and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.le, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing nonJewish communities in Palestine; or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country:-

(COMMENT)

What you should take away from this is that is that (1) only Syria and Mesopotamia were provisionally recognized and (2) that the British Government intended to "administer" the territory under the Mandate for Palestine.

YOUR QUESTION: Who said?
ANSWER: The Supreme Council of Allied Powers
!

At the end of the day, the political efforts and political efforts of the Arab Palestinians were a dismal failure. And they Arab Palestinians have followed that unsuccessful path for a century.

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
Where does it say that Palestine was not a state?
Was Pal’istan one of those ‘new states’ you can’t identify?


Still ducking those “new states” you claim exist but can’t identify.

Still ducking that Pal “statehood” issue. Why is the Abbas mini-caliphate whining about ‘statehood’ when according to you, the Magical Kingdom of Pally’land already exists as a state?
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Palestine was the Short Title to the territory to which the Mandate applied.

It does not apply to Palestine, as Palestine was not declared a state.
Who said?

Link?
(COMMENT)


Palestinian Responses to the Turkish War of Independence •Pg 21 said:
Britain ruled Palestine under a military administration until the formation of a civil administration in July 1920. A similar administration in Damascus under the Hashemite Amir Faysal became a de facto Arab State; in March 1920 the General Syrian Congress (which first met in July 1919 and included former Palestinian members of the Ottoman parliament) proclaimed Faysal king of a united Syria, including Lebanon, Palestine, and Transjordan. In Palestine, opposition to British support for Zionism coalesced in the Palestinian Arab Congress in January 1919 and was expressed in civil disturbances in April 1920. That same month the San Remo conference made clear British and French intentions to rule the erstwhile Arab provinces as “Mandates” from the League of Nations, the British Mandate for Palestine incorporating the Balfour Declaration. By the summer, Britain and France cemented their rule, with Britain initiating the civil administration in Palestine and the French expelling Faysal from Syria in July 1920. Ottoman recognition of the San Remo terms was secured by the dictated Treaty of Sèvres the following month.​
SOURCE: Liminal Loyalties: Ottomanism and Palestinian Responses to the Turkish War of Independence, 1919–22 by Awad Halabi • Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol.41 No. 3-Spring 2012 from the Institute for Palestine Studies​

Extract • APPENDIX XIV • Minutes - 1920 Conference of San Remo Pg 927 said:
(b) That the terms of the mandates article should be as follows:-


The high contracting parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall. in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations), be provisionally recognised as independent States. subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The boundaries of the said States will be determined, and the selection of the mandatories made, by the Principal Allied Powen:


The high contracting parties agree to entrust; by application of the provisions of article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the

Principal Allied Power~ to a mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on the 8th [2nd} November. 1917, by the British Government. and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.le, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing nonJewish communities in Palestine; or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country:-

(COMMENT)

What you should take away from this is that is that (1) only Syria and Mesopotamia were provisionally recognized and (2) that the British Government intended to "administer" the territory under the Mandate for Palestine.

YOUR QUESTION: Who said?
ANSWER: The Supreme Council of Allied Powers
!

At the end of the day, the political efforts and political efforts of the Arab Palestinians were a dismal failure. And they Arab Palestinians have followed that unsuccessful path for a century.

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
Where does it say that Palestine was not a state?
Do you agree that in regards to the question of Palestine being a country or not, there is no grey area? Meaning that Palestine is either a country or it isn’t. Correct ?
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is another one of those things you periodically ask for, but entirely ignore.


Where does it say that Palestine was not a state?
(ANSWER)

◈ A/AC.21/UK/42 25 February 1948 MEMORANDUM “A” LEGAL MEANING OF THE “TERMINATION OF THE MANDATE”
✦ After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing.​

◈ UN Memorandum 11 December 2012 Issues Related to General Assembly Resolution 67/19 on the Status of Palestine in the UN
Keyphrase: "Palestine was not identified as a State or a Country"

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This endless trek you are making is so readily made unsound or invalid (sometimes both), it is signaling (loud and clear) the desperation of the Arab Palestinian on this point and the importance it carries. Try not to lose this Posting, you may need it again.

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R
 

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non self governing territory
✦ After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing.
So Britain is saying that Palestine (all of Palestine) is a non self governing territory (NSGT).
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Chapter XI of the UN Charter - the Declaration regarding Non-Self-Governing Territories - provides that Member States administering Territories, which have not attained self-government recognize "that the interests of the inhabitants of these Territories are paramount" and accept as a "sacred trust" the obligation to promote their well-being.

Chapter IX urged the administering Powers concerned to take effective measures to safeguard and guarantee the inalienable rights of the peoples of the Non-Self-Governing Territories to their natural resources, including land, and to establish and maintain control over the future development of those resources, and requested the Administering Powers to take all necessary steps to protect the property rights of the peoples of those Territories.

Administering Powers, in addition to ensuring the political, economic, social and educational advancement of the peoples, undertake to assist them in developing self-government and democratic political institutions. Administering Powers have an obligation to transmit regularly to the Secretary-General information on the economic, social and educational conditions in the Territories under their administration.

Chapter IX also urged all States, directly and through their action in the specialized agencies and other organizations of the United Nations system, to provide moral and material assistance to the peoples of the Non-Self-Governing Territories.

 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Wow, you started reading. Great! • Yes, between the establishment of the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) and the end of the British Civil Administration
(Government of Palestine) the entirety of the territory under the Mandate (less Jordan which was already granted Independence in 1946) was Non-Self-Governing.

non self governing territory
✦ After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing.
So Britain is saying that Palestine (all of Palestine) is a non self governing territory (NSGT).
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The British MEMO was written in early 1948. At the time, the timeline schedule for establishing self-governance was "August" 1948. That means that if everything went according to the schedule
[A/RES/181 (II) Part I Section "A" • Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in part III of this plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948.] then self-governance would not (in all probability given the situation in February when the Memo was written) yet be in place by 15 MAY 1948. Meaning when the Mandate terminated in May, although Provisional Governments (Jewish and Arab) would have been established in April, independence (self-governance) would not be established by then [The Trustee Territory of Palestine would still be a Non-Self-Governing Territory (NSGT)]. But as we now know, after the fact, that the Mandate terminated earlier than the Resolution called for.

In any event, the establishment of the State of Israel by the National Council for the Jewish State made that aspect of the territory formerly under the Mandate, "Self-governing." There was no such possibility for the Arabs of Palestine to establish independence, and thus that portion of the territory would still be an NSGT. As you know now, the Occupation by the Arab League retarded Arabs of Palestine in the establishment of independence.

Things change over time.

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I never expected such action from House members so let's hope this gets some sponsorship.






Two US congressmen on Thursday re-introduced the Palestinian International Terrorism Support Prevention Act, a motion imposing sanctions on persons, agencies and governments that financially assist Palestinian terror groups Hamas and the Islamic Jihad, or their proxies and affiliates.

The bill's co-sponsors were New Jersey Democratic House representative Josh Gottheimer and Florida Republican Brian Mast.

The bipartisan motion, also known as House Resolution 1850, seeks “to impose sanctions with respect to foreign support for Palestinian terrorism, and for other purposes.”
 

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Suha Arafat is keepin' it real. Real ironic.

While living large on Yassir's stolen billions, she's lecturing Mahmoud about his
mini-caliphate.

I'm sure she just wants the best for the Pals... from the safety of her distance away from them.





“We also deserve a change of presidents like in the United States,” Suha Arafat, Yasser Arafat’s widow, told TPS in a phone conversation, and demanded that Palestinian Authority head Mahmoud Abbas leave after 15 years in power and four presidential terms in the US.
 

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The Pally Death Cult may be auditioning for some snappy melodies to define their ''culture''. Some snappy themes about martyrdom and Jew killing seem to dominate the Islamic terrorist top 40.





Which songs define Palestinian “cultural and… national identity”? ‎
Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Jan 24, 2021
The PA’s “cultural and… national identity” are songs about rifles, violence, ‎murderers, and martyrdom:
  • “I'm coming with my rifle… I’m coming towards you, my enemy”
  • ‎“Take my blood… The Martyrs’ blood illuminates our path”
  • Murderers of Jews in 1929 are “noble heroes”
  • PA misrepresents photo of three Syrian independence leaders hung by ‎Turkish Ottoman forces in 1916 as Arab murderers hung by the British in ‎‎1930. Those three had “committed particularly brutal murders [of Jews] at Safed ‎and Hebron” [British Government report]. The PA defines their brutal ‎murders as "the most wondrous things in the pages of the [history of ‎the] struggle against the invading occupiers. They are the noble heroes ‎of Palestine.”‎
 

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Gee, whiz. Here I was thinking that the “country of Pal’istan” (Where Dreams Come True™) was sufficiently brutalized by the competing Islamic terrorist mini-caliphates.

Maybe the Pals need an Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi type to step in and sort things out.




Tribal justice
“Jalweh” is the eviction of the family of the perpetrator of a crime from their homes and exiling them outside the victim’s area.


A traditional practice, it is often imposed by tribal leaders in murder cases under the pretext of stopping the bloodshed and maintaining civil peace.

Palestinians have resorted to the social phenomenon of settling disputes outside state courts as the alternative to dealing with Israeli courts seen as being set up by an occupying force or with Palestinian courts which people are trusting less and less. Tribal justice is seen as the alternative by many – but it comes at a price.

Tribal justice derives its provisions from tribal traditions and cultural heritage, but many argue that it undermines the rule of law.

Human rights groups say it compromises justice for stability, does not provide for fair trials, discriminates against women, and imposes collective punishment.
 

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Chapter IX also urged all States, directly and through their action in the specialized agencies and other organizations of the United Nations system, to provide moral and material assistance to the peoples of the Non-Self-Governing Territories.
How would you describe the billions of dollars in endless welfare payments to the UNRWA welfare fraud?
 

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Looks like a part of the Middle East is a little bit safer today.



JERUSALEM—Israel on Sunday said it has opened its embassy in the United Arab Emirates, following through on last year’s U.S.-brokered agreement to establish full diplomatic ties with the Gulf country.

Israel’s Foreign Ministry said the embassy would be in a temporary office while a permanent location is prepared. Eitan Na’eh, a veteran Israeli diplomat, will serve as the head of mission.

Foreign Minister Gabi Ashkenazi said the opening of the new embassy would allow the broadening of what already are warm ties between Israel and the UAE.
 

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