Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

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SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: We've come full circle several times now.

So prove otherwise, why can't you?
(COMMENT)

The problem here is that our friend "PF Tinmore" does NOT actually believe in any authority other than that which supports his contention.

◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination."​
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."​
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties."​

Without a true belief in the language and the meaning of the reality of the day, he is hopelessly locked on this fallacy that concludes he is correct. And in his world, it is possible for his fallacious deductive powers to establish premises • such that • argument are true. He reshapes history by going back more than a century, to a time when the Supreme Council of the Allied Powers made its decisions and facilitated immigration into the territory for the purpose of establishing a Jewish National Home. And he believes that the immigration was an invasion (an attack) and not part of the larger outcome of the Great War.

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Most Respectfully,
R
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination."◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."◈ He does NOT believe in the "Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties."
I am curious as to how you draw your conclusions.
And he believes that the immigration was an invasion (an attack) and not part of the larger outcome of the Great War.
I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Other than breaking up the Turkish Empire allowing for the creation of new states, what did the war have to do with anything?

How do you define immigration?
Indeed, what new states?

Indeed, shall we call that an islamist talking point?

Indeed, you cannot identify these ''new states''. It seems you have ducked this question every time posed to you.
 

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◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination." How many times have you said:• {POSTING #914} The "Right of Self-Determination." applies to people inside their own territory. It does not change territory. • {POSTING # 2572} Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
OK? SO? Where is the problem?
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."• {ARTICLE 3} The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. This applies directly to the existence of the Jewish State, whether or not you agree. The National Council for the Jewish State did not require the Arab Palestinians to consent in the establishment of Israel.
States are required to have a defined territory.

The Palestinians declared independence on its own land inside its international borders.

Israel declared independence on Palestinian land inside Palestine's international borders.

Palestine has a defined territory. Israel does not.
 

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◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination." How many times have you said:• {POSTING #914} The "Right of Self-Determination." applies to people inside their own territory. It does not change territory. • {POSTING # 2572} Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
OK? SO? Where is the problem?
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."• {ARTICLE 3} The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. This applies directly to the existence of the Jewish State, whether or not you agree. The National Council for the Jewish State did not require the Arab Palestinians to consent in the establishment of Israel.
States are required to have a defined territory.

The Palestinians declared independence on its own land inside its international borders.

Israel declared independence on Palestinian land inside Palestine's international borders.

Palestine has a defined territory. Israel does not.
Israel declared it’s borders on Israeli land and they are INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED. Had they been declared on Palestinian land ; then they would not be internationally recognized.
Once again Tinmore, your inability to accept this does not mean they do not exist (Israel’s land and borders).
You’re living in a fantasy world that is bound by Palestinian propaganda.
 

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◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination." How many times have you said:• {POSTING #914} The "Right of Self-Determination." applies to people inside their own territory. It does not change territory. • {POSTING # 2572} Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
OK? SO? Where is the problem?
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."• {ARTICLE 3} The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. This applies directly to the existence of the Jewish State, whether or not you agree. The National Council for the Jewish State did not require the Arab Palestinians to consent in the establishment of Israel.
States are required to have a defined territory.

The Palestinians declared independence on its own land inside its international borders.

Israel declared independence on Palestinian land inside Palestine's international borders.

Palestine has a defined territory. Israel does not.
When did “Palestine” declare independence ? AFTER Israel did. That’s because they did not have their shit together, but Israel did. Too little , too late.... TOO BAD!
 

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◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination." How many times have you said:• {POSTING #914} The "Right of Self-Determination." applies to people inside their own territory. It does not change territory. • {POSTING # 2572} Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
OK? SO? Where is the problem?
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."• {ARTICLE 3} The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. This applies directly to the existence of the Jewish State, whether or not you agree. The National Council for the Jewish State did not require the Arab Palestinians to consent in the establishment of Israel.
States are required to have a defined territory.

The Palestinians declared independence on its own land inside its international borders.

Israel declared independence on Palestinian land inside Palestine's international borders.

Palestine has a defined territory. Israel does not.
Where is this "Pal'istanian land'' you are rattling on about? You have never identified any territory that the Arabs-Moslems held sovereignty over.

As seems to be the typical case that you are making the same claims you have been making repetitively and tediously for about a decade now and which have been shown to be false.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Your statement of progression has a critical fault.

States are required to have a defined territory.
(COMMENT)

It does not apply to Palestine, as Palestine was not declared a state. And don't use that lame ass "All Palestine Government" since it did not have a functional government.

The Palestinians declared independence on its own land inside its international borders.
(COMMENT)

WRONG

This would be wrong. This was Territory under Mandate and Civil Administration. The boundaries delineate the territories under Mandate. Not states. The boundaries of states were at the discretion of the Allied Powers.

The control of the administration of the "territory of Palestine," (a legal entity) which formerly belonged to the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them, NOT the Arab Palestinians.

“ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS​
RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION” (January 1948)​
“Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone.”​
The Arab Delegation consequently declared that “no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable”. (April 1920 - Aug 1922)​

Any agreement between the Allied Powers on the matter of boundaries (as decided by them) were NOT subject to Arab Palestinian oversight.

Israel declared independence on Palestinian land inside Palestine's international borders.
(COMMENT)

WRONG

Israel declared Independence on UN Trusteeship territory on the termination of the Government of Palestine (UK). It was NOT Palestinian land inside Palestine's international borders.

Palestine has a defined territory. Israel does not.
(COMMENT)

This is almost backward. Israel was defined territory inside the legal entity former territory under the Mandate. The Arab Palestinians did not establish a government and did not defend any territory they claim as theirs. Under Article 22, it was territory inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world; not in 1920 (the beginning of the Civil Administration), not in 1948 (on the eve of the termination of the Mandate), and not today (100 years since the Supreme Council created the territorial mandate) still dependent of massive donor contributions.

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Most Respectfully,
R
 

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SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: We've come full circle several times now.

So prove otherwise, why can't you?
(COMMENT)

The problem here is that our friend "PF Tinmore" does NOT actually believe in any authority other than that which supports his contention.

◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination."​
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."​
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties."​

Without a true belief in the language and the meaning of the reality of the day, he is hopelessly locked on this fallacy that concludes he is correct. And in his world, it is possible for his fallacious deductive powers to establish premises • such that • argument are true. He reshapes history by going back more than a century, to a time when the Supreme Council of the Allied Powers made its decisions and facilitated immigration into the territory for the purpose of establishing a Jewish National Home. And he believes that the immigration was an invasion (an attack) and not part of the larger outcome of the Great War.

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination."◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."◈ He does NOT believe in the "Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties."
I am curious as to how you draw your conclusions.
And he believes that the immigration was an invasion (an attack) and not part of the larger outcome of the Great War.
I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Other than breaking up the Turkish Empire allowing for the creation of new states, what did the war have to do with anything?

How do you define immigration?
Indeed, what new states?

Indeed, shall we call that an islamist talking point?

Indeed, you cannot identify these ''new states''. It seems you have ducked this question every time posed to you.
I have already posted the link with quote naming the new states.

You need to keep up.
 

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◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination." How many times have you said:• {POSTING #914} The "Right of Self-Determination." applies to people inside their own territory. It does not change territory. • {POSTING # 2572} Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
OK? SO? Where is the problem?
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."• {ARTICLE 3} The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. This applies directly to the existence of the Jewish State, whether or not you agree. The National Council for the Jewish State did not require the Arab Palestinians to consent in the establishment of Israel.
States are required to have a defined territory.

The Palestinians declared independence on its own land inside its international borders.

Israel declared independence on Palestinian land inside Palestine's international borders.

Palestine has a defined territory. Israel does not.
Where is this "Pal'istanian land'' you are rattling on about? You have never identified any territory that the Arabs-Moslems held sovereignty over.

As seems to be the typical case that you are making the same claims you have been making repetitively and tediously for about a decade now and which have been shown to be false.
I have already posted a UN map showing Palestine's international borders. I have also posted UN documents showing Palestine's international borders.

You need to keep up.
 

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◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination." How many times have you said:• {POSTING #914} The "Right of Self-Determination." applies to people inside their own territory. It does not change territory. • {POSTING # 2572} Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
OK? SO? Where is the problem?
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."• {ARTICLE 3} The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. This applies directly to the existence of the Jewish State, whether or not you agree. The National Council for the Jewish State did not require the Arab Palestinians to consent in the establishment of Israel.
States are required to have a defined territory.

The Palestinians declared independence on its own land inside its international borders.

Israel declared independence on Palestinian land inside Palestine's international borders.

Palestine has a defined territory. Israel does not.
When did “Palestine” declare independence ? AFTER Israel did. That’s because they did not have their shit together, but Israel did. Too little , too late.... TOO BAD!
You missed the point of my post.
 

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◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination." How many times have you said:• {POSTING #914} The "Right of Self-Determination." applies to people inside their own territory. It does not change territory. • {POSTING # 2572} Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
OK? SO? Where is the problem?
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."• {ARTICLE 3} The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. This applies directly to the existence of the Jewish State, whether or not you agree. The National Council for the Jewish State did not require the Arab Palestinians to consent in the establishment of Israel.
States are required to have a defined territory.

The Palestinians declared independence on its own land inside its international borders.

Israel declared independence on Palestinian land inside Palestine's international borders.

Palestine has a defined territory. Israel does not.
Israel declared it’s borders on Israeli land and they are INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED. Had they been declared on Palestinian land ; then they would not be internationally recognized.
Once again Tinmore, your inability to accept this does not mean they do not exist (Israel’s land and borders).
You’re living in a fantasy world that is bound by Palestinian propaganda.
Israel declared it’s borders on Israeli land
Links?
 

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SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: We've come full circle several times now.

So prove otherwise, why can't you?
(COMMENT)

The problem here is that our friend "PF Tinmore" does NOT actually believe in any authority other than that which supports his contention.

◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination."​
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."​
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties."​

Without a true belief in the language and the meaning of the reality of the day, he is hopelessly locked on this fallacy that concludes he is correct. And in his world, it is possible for his fallacious deductive powers to establish premises • such that • argument are true. He reshapes history by going back more than a century, to a time when the Supreme Council of the Allied Powers made its decisions and facilitated immigration into the territory for the purpose of establishing a Jewish National Home. And he believes that the immigration was an invasion (an attack) and not part of the larger outcome of the Great War.

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination."◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."◈ He does NOT believe in the "Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties."
I am curious as to how you draw your conclusions.
And he believes that the immigration was an invasion (an attack) and not part of the larger outcome of the Great War.
I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Other than breaking up the Turkish Empire allowing for the creation of new states, what did the war have to do with anything?

How do you define immigration?
Indeed, what new states?

Indeed, shall we call that an islamist talking point?

Indeed, you cannot identify these ''new states''. It seems you have ducked this question every time posed to you.
I have already posted the link with quote naming the new states.

You need to keep up.
Indeed, that nonsense claim was old years ago and you still repeat it.

What new states? Indeed, they should be easy to identify but you are unable to do so.
 

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States are required to have a defined territory.
It does not apply to Palestine, as Palestine was not declared a state.
Who said?

Link?
Pal'istan is a state?

Link?

Why are the Pals still whining about securing statehood if Pal'istan is already a state?

Link?

Abbas Wants Timetable For Palestinian Statehood

Did your forget to tell Mahmoud about your Treaty of Lausanne conspiracy theory, you know, the conspiracy theory about the Treaty of Lausanne magically creating the 'state of Pal'istan'?
 

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◈ He does NOT believe in the "Right of Self-Determination." How many times have you said:• {POSTING #914} The "Right of Self-Determination." applies to people inside their own territory. It does not change territory. • {POSTING # 2572} Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
OK? SO? Where is the problem?
◈ He does NOT believe in the "Convention on Rights and Duties of States."• {ARTICLE 3} The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. This applies directly to the existence of the Jewish State, whether or not you agree. The National Council for the Jewish State did not require the Arab Palestinians to consent in the establishment of Israel.
States are required to have a defined territory.

The Palestinians declared independence on its own land inside its international borders.

Israel declared independence on Palestinian land inside Palestine's international borders.

Palestine has a defined territory. Israel does not.
Where is this "Pal'istanian land'' you are rattling on about? You have never identified any territory that the Arabs-Moslems held sovereignty over.

As seems to be the typical case that you are making the same claims you have been making repetitively and tediously for about a decade now and which have been shown to be false.
I have already posted a UN map showing Palestine's international borders. I have also posted UN documents showing Palestine's international borders.

You need to keep up.
You have posted several phony maps you claimed showed the borders of something you call "Pal'istan''. Which phony map would you like me to look at?

Link?
 

P F Tinmore

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States are required to have a defined territory.
It does not apply to Palestine, as Palestine was not declared a state.
Who said?

Link?
Pal'istan is a state?

Link?

Why are the Pals still whining about securing statehood if Pal'istan is already a state?

Link?

Abbas Wants Timetable For Palestinian Statehood

Did your forget to tell Mahmoud about your Treaty of Lausanne conspiracy theory, you know, the conspiracy theory about the Treaty of Lausanne magically creating the 'state of Pal'istan'?
I wouldn't put The Palestinians and Abbas in the same sentence.
 

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States are required to have a defined territory.
It does not apply to Palestine, as Palestine was not declared a state.
Who said?

Link?
Pal'istan is a state?

Link?

Why are the Pals still whining about securing statehood if Pal'istan is already a state?

Link?

Abbas Wants Timetable For Palestinian Statehood

Did your forget to tell Mahmoud about your Treaty of Lausanne conspiracy theory, you know, the conspiracy theory about the Treaty of Lausanne magically creating the 'state of Pal'istan'?
I wouldn't put The Palestinians and Abbas in the same sentence.
Still ducking those “new states” you claim exist but can’t identify.

Still ducking that Pal “statehood” issue. Why is the Abbas mini-caliphate whining about ‘statehood’ when according to you, the Magical Kingdom of Pally’land already exists as a state?
 

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