Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

P F Tinmore

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Indeed, the territory under the authority of the earlier mandate, was known coincidently as the ''Mandate for Palestine''.
The Armistice Agreements were in 1949. The Mandate left Palestine in 1948
Golly. This is weird. There was an Israel - Lebanon Armistice agreement signed in 1949.

Indeed, I found no indication of any representation by a "country of Pal'istan'' in that agreement. Weird, huh?

IL LB_490323_IsraeliLebaneseGeneralArmisticeAgreement.pdf (un.org)

Indeed.
The Avalon Project : The Palestinian National Charter
    1. Palestine is the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people; it is an indivisible part of the Arab …
    2. Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.
    3. The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to …
    4. The Palestinian identity is a genuine, essential, and inherent characteristic; it is transmitted from …
  • See full list on avalon.law.yale.edu
I not clear what relevance that charter has with regard to Israel establishing armistice agreements with neighboring Arab nations.
So, what did the Armistice Agreements have to do with Palestine?
 

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Indeed, the territory under the authority of the earlier mandate, was known coincidently as the ''Mandate for Palestine''.
The Armistice Agreements were in 1949. The Mandate left Palestine in 1948
Golly. This is weird. There was an Israel - Lebanon Armistice agreement signed in 1949.

Indeed, I found no indication of any representation by a "country of Pal'istan'' in that agreement. Weird, huh?

IL LB_490323_IsraeliLebaneseGeneralArmisticeAgreement.pdf (un.org)

Indeed.
The Avalon Project : The Palestinian National Charter
    1. Palestine is the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people; it is an indivisible part of the Arab …
    2. Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.
    3. The Palestinian Arab people possess the legal right to their homeland and have the right to …
    4. The Palestinian identity is a genuine, essential, and inherent characteristic; it is transmitted from …
  • See full list on avalon.law.yale.edu
I not clear what relevance that charter has with regard to Israel establishing armistice agreements with neighboring Arab nations.
So, what did the Armistice Agreements have to do with Palestine?
Indeed.
 

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Those poor, oppressed Pals. Corruption, fraud and maintaining the Islamic terrorist gee-had is so expensive, they were expecting Israel would supply the Wuhan virus vaccine, you know, for free. That would allow the Pal terrorists to devote more of their welfare money to attacks aimed at Israel.




Ramallah appears to claim Israel should ensure Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza are vaccinated, but later acknowledges PA also responsible
 

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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I gave you the answer as to the "Why" and the "How." You just don't like the answer.


You are doing your best to wriggle away from my original post.
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Chapter 3

Citizenship, international conventions and financial obligations

1. Citizenship. Palestinian citizens residing in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.

This means that all Palestinians who normally live in the territory that becomes the Jewish state shall become citizens of that state with full civil and political rights.
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Why should the Palestinians give up their legal rights just to make Israel happy? Israel has made its bed now it must sleep in it.

You can say refugee, but I was really talking about the rule of nationality and state succession. Resolution 194 was based on current international law.
(COMMENT)

There was absolutely NO REASON to create a country that would have to immediately fight:

◈ A civil War within its boundaries (fifth Columnist).
...................................AND
◈ An International Armed Conflict from the Arab League.

And the alternative was for the Mandate to terminate with the Arab Palestinians
(including aid from the Arab League States) to crush the original Mandate to create a Jewish National Home.

Q (PF Tinmore): Why should the Palestinians give up their legal rights just to make Israel happy?
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A (RoccoR): This is an incorrect proposition that founded on the incorrect assumption forming the basis of the central argument.
✦ WHY? Because the Arab Palestinians DID NOT "give up their rights!" The Arab Palestinians, thinking that they could crush the Israeli forces and take the entirety of the territory and nullify the Partition Plan, opted to settle the conflict through other than peaceful means. They threw away their "Rights" (whatever they were in the mid-20th Century). Not succeeding in crushing the embryonic Jewish State, the Arab Palestinians embarked on a plan to open an atmosphere of "criminal acts" directed against Israel, intended or calculated to create "terror" in the minds of the Jewish citizenry; that would put such domestic pressure on the new government as to weaken it intimidation, to achieve their of political aims that they could not secure in any other peaceful measure.​
✦ THE SHIFTING SAND OF WHY: As humanity evolved, and the "Rights" of people were articulated and codified, the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) have been consistently trying to apply newer concepts (some binding and some not binding) retroactively upon the continuing conflict. The HoAP have been trying to reinvent themselves as "Freedom Fighters" seeking justice through the righteousness in "the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle. The HoAP have formed numerous organizational campaigns through the efforts of various Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters. These campaigns have become extremely lucrative, through donor contribution and aid programs, for various leaders over the years. While factions like the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) are most noted for launching thousands of rockets and mortars into Israel, kidnapping and murder of Israelis, organizations like the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) are known for the Coast Road Attack that killed a busload of innocent men women and children, who were responsible for the Attack on the Olympic Games in Munich, involved in the highjacking of numerous Commercial Airliners, etc, they still maintain the same justification for violence.​
✦ THE APPEARENCE: The face of the HoAP is the makeup on the pig. It now is argued as liberation from colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation. It wants to paint the picture that the Israelis have been oppressive and that the Israelis need to put their foot on the neck of the HoAP in order to secure the Israeli Regime. The HoAP camouflage the fact that Israel is a sovereign state in its own right, and that the HoAP represent various factions of Arab Palestinians outside the territorial integrity of Israel, attempting to break in.​

This is merely a thumbnail caption to one single aspect of the dispute.

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What land does the UN call Pal’istan? When did the UN get into the land calling business?
In all of the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements, the UN called all of Palestine Palestine. In the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements the UN called the Negev Palestine. Israel claims borders on that territory.
What territory specifically are you talking about that Israel ‘claims’ is theirs . Post a map and hiloge
the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies
the establishment in Palestine
There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine. Balfour recognizes the existence of Palestine. The Treaty of Lausanne called it a state. The League of Nations called it a state. Various court rulings called it a state. The US had a trade agreement with Palestine in 1932.

The liars in Israel says that Palestine is not a state with no evidence to back up that claim.
There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

And since there is no longer a Mandate for Palestine, we agree there is no longer a Palestine.
There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.
A state does not need a Mandate to exist.

An imaginary state doesn't need borders.
Interesting thing to say since Israel has never declared its borders.
You sure about that ? Would you like me to embarrass you again by posting Israel’s INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS with Egypt and Jordan ? Yea or no Tinmore ?
Of course there are a couple concerns that everybody ducks.

Israel claims borders on land that the UN calls Palestine.

Those treaties were brokered by the US. You know...the country that illegally gave East Jerusalem and The Golan Hts. to Israel.

There is a question of validity here.
BTW , where did you read that the US gave Israel East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights? Israel captured them during wars that Arabs started .

Israel planned the war beginning in 1953 .. Read Moshe Dayan. They attacked Egypt when all Egypt's troops were fighting in Yemen.
Israel started which war ?
1967.. They planned it for over a decade/ Read Moshe Dayan.
I read facts, like the facts that the Arabs were massing troops around Israel, making threats of annihalation and had closed the straits of Tiran, which Israel had said would be taken as an act of war. So Israel pre emptively attacked the Arabs (which is pathetic considering how small Israel is compared to the countries of beat by destroying all their air forces :lol: )
Since the Arabs lost the war, of course they act like crying babies and play the victim card. Truly pathetic..
They weren't amassing troops around Israel.. The Straits of Tiran had been closed for 14 months.. Nasser had asked for a summit to resolved the problem. Egyptian troops were deployed in Yemen to fight the civil war there.
In the months prior to June 1967, tensions became dangerously heightened. Israel reiterated its post-1956 position that the closure of the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping would be a cause for war (a casus belli).
ejecting UNEF.



Any more questions ??
The Straits of Tiran had been closed for 14 months before Israel attacked Egypt ,, and in the weeks prior Nasser had called for a summit to resolve the situation.
Poor misunderstood peaceful Nasser.
 

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When we look at the issue of armed resistance broadly, according to ‘Additional Protocol 1’ to the ‘Geneva Conventions’ (1949) all Peoples are entitled, under international humanitarian law, to the right to armed national liberation struggles. The Palestinian people were even mentioned by named in ‘United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) Resolution 2787’ in 1971:

“[The Resolution] Confirms the legality of the peoples’ struggle for self-determination and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably in southern Africa and in particular that of the peoples of Zimbabwe, Namibia, Angola, Mozambique and Guinea (Bissau), as well as of the Palestinian people, by all available means consistent with the Charter of the United Nations.”

It is also clear that according to International Law, tracing back to UN General Assembly (UNGA) Resolution 3314, in 1974, that it was unacceptable for any State to engage in military occupations of foreign territory.

On November 29, 1978, with ‘United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/RES/33/24’, the right to armed struggle was again reaffirmed, as it was stated that the body recognised; “…the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle”. This legitimate and defensible right under international law, again confirmed in UNGA resolution 37/43 in 1982, is not in line therefore with any reasonable definition of terrorism.

To deny Palestinians their right to resist a foreign settler-colonialism occupying force, means that you are arguing against International Law. This is not a matter of opinion.

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Why do you always pimp Israeli talking points?
 

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Those poor, oppressed Pals. Corruption, fraud and maintaining the Islamic terrorist gee-had is so expensive, they were expecting Israel would supply the Wuhan virus vaccine, you know, for free. That would allow the Pal terrorists to devote more of their welfare money to attacks aimed at Israel.




Ramallah appears to claim Israel should ensure Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza are vaccinated, but later acknowledges PA also responsible
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money .. Look at the budget. Israel has gotten the lion's share of US foreign aid for 60 years.. Compare them to Haiti in population and Haiti gets a pittance..
 

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Those poor, oppressed Pals. Corruption, fraud and maintaining the Islamic terrorist gee-had is so expensive, they were expecting Israel would supply the Wuhan virus vaccine, you know, for free. That would allow the Pal terrorists to devote more of their welfare money to attacks aimed at Israel.




Ramallah appears to claim Israel should ensure Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza are vaccinated, but later acknowledges PA also responsible
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money .. Look at the budget. Israel has gotten the lion's share of US foreign aid for 60 years.. Compare them to Haiti in population and Haiti gets a pittance..
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money ..

LOL!

What percentage of the Palestinian's GDP is welfare?
 

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Those poor, oppressed Pals. Corruption, fraud and maintaining the Islamic terrorist gee-had is so expensive, they were expecting Israel would supply the Wuhan virus vaccine, you know, for free. That would allow the Pal terrorists to devote more of their welfare money to attacks aimed at Israel.




Ramallah appears to claim Israel should ensure Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza are vaccinated, but later acknowledges PA also responsible
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money .. Look at the budget. Israel has gotten the lion's share of US foreign aid for 60 years.. Compare them to Haiti in population and Haiti gets a pittance..
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money ..

LOL!

What percentage of the Palestinian's GDP is welfare?
With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a wealthy country.
 

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Those poor, oppressed Pals. Corruption, fraud and maintaining the Islamic terrorist gee-had is so expensive, they were expecting Israel would supply the Wuhan virus vaccine, you know, for free. That would allow the Pal terrorists to devote more of their welfare money to attacks aimed at Israel.




Ramallah appears to claim Israel should ensure Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza are vaccinated, but later acknowledges PA also responsible
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money .. Look at the budget. Israel has gotten the lion's share of US foreign aid for 60 years.. Compare them to Haiti in population and Haiti gets a pittance..
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money ..

LOL!

What percentage of the Palestinian's GDP is welfare?
With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a wealthy country.
Nah, Haiti would still be a shithole.

Pally lover whining about mooching.....priceless!
 

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Those poor, oppressed Pals. Corruption, fraud and maintaining the Islamic terrorist gee-had is so expensive, they were expecting Israel would supply the Wuhan virus vaccine, you know, for free. That would allow the Pal terrorists to devote more of their welfare money to attacks aimed at Israel.




Ramallah appears to claim Israel should ensure Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza are vaccinated, but later acknowledges PA also responsible
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money .. Look at the budget. Israel has gotten the lion's share of US foreign aid for 60 years.. Compare them to Haiti in population and Haiti gets a pittance..
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money ..

LOL!

What percentage of the Palestinian's GDP is welfare?
They get about 400% less than the Israelis and before that the ratio was 10000% less.

The Palestinians can't do business without an Israeli middle man.. The Golan cannot sell its apples without an Israeli middle man. BTW.. Bibi just announced another 800 Jewish only homes being built in the occupied West Bank.

Do you ever give much thought to decency or justice?

The Hashemites - As the Arabs See the Jews
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King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951) "As the Arabs see the Jews". His Majesty King Abdullah, The American Magazine. November, 1947. Summary. This fascinating essay, written by King Hussein’s grandfather King Abdullah, appeared in the United States six months before the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. In the article, King Abdullah disputes the mistaken view that Arab opposition to Zionism (and later the …
 

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Those poor, oppressed Pals. Corruption, fraud and maintaining the Islamic terrorist gee-had is so expensive, they were expecting Israel would supply the Wuhan virus vaccine, you know, for free. That would allow the Pal terrorists to devote more of their welfare money to attacks aimed at Israel.




Ramallah appears to claim Israel should ensure Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza are vaccinated, but later acknowledges PA also responsible
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money .. Look at the budget. Israel has gotten the lion's share of US foreign aid for 60 years.. Compare them to Haiti in population and Haiti gets a pittance..
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money ..

LOL!

What percentage of the Palestinian's GDP is welfare?
With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a wealthy country.
Israel by their own accounts is successful and wealthy yet they get 500 times more welfare than Haiti which is of comparable size.
 

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Those poor, oppressed Pals. Corruption, fraud and maintaining the Islamic terrorist gee-had is so expensive, they were expecting Israel would supply the Wuhan virus vaccine, you know, for free. That would allow the Pal terrorists to devote more of their welfare money to attacks aimed at Israel.




Ramallah appears to claim Israel should ensure Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza are vaccinated, but later acknowledges PA also responsible
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money .. Look at the budget. Israel has gotten the lion's share of US foreign aid for 60 years.. Compare them to Haiti in population and Haiti gets a pittance..
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money ..

LOL!

What percentage of the Palestinian's GDP is welfare?
They get about 400% less than the Israelis and before that the ratio was 10000% less.

The Palestinians can't do business without an Israeli middle man.. The Golan cannot sell its apples without an Israeli middle man. BTW.. Bibi just announced another 800 Jewish only homes being built in the occupied West Bank.

Do you ever give much thought to decency or justice?

The Hashemites - As the Arabs See the Jews
www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html
King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951) "As the Arabs see the Jews". His Majesty King Abdullah, The American Magazine. November, 1947. Summary. This fascinating essay, written by King Hussein’s grandfather King Abdullah, appeared in the United States six months before the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. In the article, King Abdullah disputes the mistaken view that Arab opposition to Zionism (and later the …
They get about 400% less than the Israelis

So they pay welfare instead of receiving it?

The Palestinians can't do business without an Israeli middle man..

Yeah, lauching terror attacks has consequences.

BTW.. Bibi just announced another 800 Jewish only homes being built in the occupied West Bank.

Excellent!

Do you ever give much thought to decency or justice?

I do.
 

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The Hashemites - As the Arabs See the Jews
www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html
King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951) "As the Arabs see the Jews". His Majesty King Abdullah, The American Magazine. November, 1947. Summary. This fascinating essay, written by King Hussein’s grandfather King Abdullah, appeared in the United States six months before the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. In the article, King Abdullah disputes the mistaken view that Arab opposition to Zionism (and later the …


And not once does he mention a "Palestinian" people.

That is because they had not been invented yet by your fellow Arabs as a propaganda tool.
 

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Those poor, oppressed Pals. Corruption, fraud and maintaining the Islamic terrorist gee-had is so expensive, they were expecting Israel would supply the Wuhan virus vaccine, you know, for free. That would allow the Pal terrorists to devote more of their welfare money to attacks aimed at Israel.




Ramallah appears to claim Israel should ensure Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza are vaccinated, but later acknowledges PA also responsible
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money .. Look at the budget. Israel has gotten the lion's share of US foreign aid for 60 years.. Compare them to Haiti in population and Haiti gets a pittance..
Israelis shouldn't talk about welfare money ..

LOL!

What percentage of the Palestinian's GDP is welfare?
They get about 400% less than the Israelis and before that the ratio was 10000% less.

The Palestinians can't do business without an Israeli middle man.. The Golan cannot sell its apples without an Israeli middle man. BTW.. Bibi just announced another 800 Jewish only homes being built in the occupied West Bank.

Do you ever give much thought to decency or justice?

The Hashemites - As the Arabs See the Jews
www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html
King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951) "As the Arabs see the Jews". His Majesty King Abdullah, The American Magazine. November, 1947. Summary. This fascinating essay, written by King Hussein’s grandfather King Abdullah, appeared in the United States six months before the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. In the article, King Abdullah disputes the mistaken view that Arab opposition to Zionism (and later the …
They get about 400% less than the Israelis

So they pay welfare instead of receiving it?

The Palestinians can't do business without an Israeli middle man..

Yeah, lauching terror attacks has consequences.

BTW.. Bibi just announced another 800 Jewish only homes being built in the occupied West Bank.

Excellent!

Do you ever give much thought to decency or justice?

I do.
The European Jews went to Palestine for sanctuary when no other country would take them in. They were broken from their suffering during WW2 and Hitler's demonizing and killing them.. As soon as they arrived in Palestine they began to abuse the Arab Palestinians just as they had been abused.

The Hashemites - As the Arabs See the Jews
www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html
King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951) "As the Arabs see the Jews". His Majesty King Abdullah, The American Magazine. November, 1947. Summary. This fascinating essay, written by King Hussein’s grandfather King Abdullah, appeared in the United States six months before the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. In the article, King Abdullah disputes the mistaken view that Arab opposition to Zionism (and later the …
 

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The European Jews went to Palestine for sanctuary when no other country would take them in. They were broken from their suffering during WW2 and Hitler's demonizing and killing them.. As soon as they arrived in Palestine they began to abuse the Arab Palestinians just as they had been abused.

Is that what you learned at the madrassa in whatever Islamic shit hole you come from?

It is a lie.
 

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The Hashemites - As the Arabs See the Jews
www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html
King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951) "As the Arabs see the Jews". His Majesty King Abdullah, The American Magazine. November, 1947. Summary. This fascinating essay, written by King Hussein’s grandfather King Abdullah, appeared in the United States six months before the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. In the article, King Abdullah disputes the mistaken view that Arab opposition to Zionism (and later the …


And not once does he mention a "Palestinian" people.

That is because they had not been invented yet by your fellow Arabs as a propaganda tool.
All the Avalon Papers refer to Palestine. They were called Palestinians when Israel tried to deport the rest of them to KSA in 1951. They were called Palestinians when they attended my church in 1952. This is an ugly piece of theft and apartheid. The Jews have suffered so much.. they shouldn't be doing this.

I would expect more decency and humanity.
 

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