Toddsterpatriot
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LOL.. neither was Israel.
And now Israel is and Palestine still isn't.
It was a tiny city state in the Syrian province of Palestine for a few years of self rule.
Which years?
Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
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LOL.. neither was Israel.
And now Israel is and Palestine still isn't.
It was a tiny city state in the Syrian province of Palestine for a few years of self rule.
Which years?
From 500 BC until 1948. Do you remember the olive trees and almond trees and the pomegranates?
That long, tedious cut and paste is rather meaningless. Israel is not a foreign settler colonialism occupying force.
When we look at the issue of armed resistance broadly, according to ‘Additional Protocol 1’ to the ‘Geneva Conventions’ (1949) all Peoples are entitled, under international humanitarian law, to the right to armed national liberation struggles. The Palestinian people were even mentioned by named in ‘United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) Resolution 2787’ in 1971:
“[The Resolution] Confirms the legality of the peoples’ struggle for self-determination and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably in southern Africa and in particular that of the peoples of Zimbabwe, Namibia, Angola, Mozambique and Guinea (Bissau), as well as of the Palestinian people, by all available means consistent with the Charter of the United Nations.”
It is also clear that according to International Law, tracing back to UN General Assembly (UNGA) Resolution 3314, in 1974, that it was unacceptable for any State to engage in military occupations of foreign territory.
On November 29, 1978, with ‘United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/RES/33/24’, the right to armed struggle was again reaffirmed, as it was stated that the body recognised; “…the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle”. This legitimate and defensible right under international law, again confirmed in UNGA resolution 37/43 in 1982, is not in line therefore with any reasonable definition of terrorism.
To deny Palestinians their right to resist a foreign settler-colonialism occupying force, means that you are arguing against International Law. This is not a matter of opinion.
Why do you always pimp Israeli talking points?
I can only give you a 3/10 for cobbling together most of your usual, tired, irrelevant and pointless slogans.
Reiterating what the Pal'istanian terrorists have been screaming out for decades, yet, for some reason, people chose not to believe them.
"...Families of the Martyrs and the Wounded (The Institute for the Martyrs/Palestine Martyrs’ Families Foundation) has “a single purpose… of a criminal nature” and was created with the “criminal purpose of incentivising acts of terrorism against Israelis.”
palwatch.org
Canada must now designate the PLO and Mahmoud Abbas as terror supporters
Maurice Hirsch, Adv. and Itamar Marcus | Jan 12, 2021
The decision of the Montreal District Court was given in the case of a Palestinian whose request for refugee status was rejected by Canada because she had worked for the Iraq branch of the Institute for the Martyrs.
"...Families of the Martyrs and the Wounded (The Institute for the Martyrs/Palestine Martyrs’ Families Foundation) has “a single purpose… of a criminal nature” and was created with the “criminal purpose of incentivising acts of terrorism against Israelis.”
Canada must now designate the PLO and Mahmoud Abbas as terror supporters | PMW Analysis
Canadian court: A PLO run organization is criminal, whose single purpose is “incentivising acts of terrorism against Israelis”
palwatch.org
Canada must now designate the PLO and Mahmoud Abbas as terror supporters
Maurice Hirsch, Adv. and Itamar Marcus | Jan 12, 2021
- Canadian court: A PLO run organization is criminal, whose single purpose is “incentivising acts of terrorism against Israelis”
The decision of the Montreal District Court was given in the case of a Palestinian whose request for refugee status was rejected by Canada because she had worked for the Iraq branch of the Institute for the Martyrs.
That timeframe conflicts with Ottoman control of the territory.
You moron.. They had Palestinians stamps and currency and newspapers.
Dogmaphobe
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The fact that there was a territory administered by the British called "Palestine" does not mean there was a people called Palestinian. the letter you reference by King Abdullah actually proves that fact, but you are too stupid, too dishonest and too full of hatred towards Jews to understand that.
RoccoR
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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: Finally, somewhat of a decent challenge.
All the Protocols (I & II) say is that the terminology of "armed conflict" includes Armed confrontations on the matters of:
The Protocols do NOT grant approvals for or otherwise authorize such conflicts. In fact Protocol II (Article 3) specifically says:
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: Finally, somewhat of a decent challenge.
The application of the Protocols does not rest upon the determination as to whether or not the conflict is "just" or "unjust." For that matter, the application of the protocols does not revolve around the issue of "aggression" or "self-defense." As a matter of fact, neither Protocols I or II event mention the word "liberation" let alone "war of Liberation.
(COMMENT)
All the Protocols (I & II) say is that the terminology of "armed conflict" includes Armed confrontations on the matters of:
◈ Colonial Aggression
◈ Alien Occupation
◈ Right of Self-Determination
The Protocols do NOT grant approvals for or otherwise authorize such conflicts. In fact Protocol II (Article 3) specifically says:
Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 said:
Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 said:
Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 said:
This would rule out, as applicable the bottom three of the four Resolutions encouraging "by all means" and none of the four resolutions have been enacted into law (not in force). And, by the way, International Humanitarian Law "never" justifies a conflict for any reason. It is all about "protections" afforded in such conflicts.
◈ United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) Resolution 2787’ in 1971:
✦ UN General Assembly (UNGA) Resolution 3314, in 1974,
✦ United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/RES/33/24’, 1974
✦ UNGA resolution 37/43 in 1982,
One more point of order: Every single one of these resolutions came into existence AFTER the 1967 Conflict (Six-Day War). And at the time they were written, the Hashemite Kingdom held sovereignty over the West Bank. AND the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was established as the "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people - LAS Rabat Summit - resolution (28 October 1974)."
(COMMENT)
I'm still waiting for the copy of the "Israeli Talking Points" that you have. (Personally, I don't think there is any such thing.) But I, in any event, I don't actually speak for the Israelis. I express my opinions and I'll address "Bull Shit" when I see it.
Most Respectfully,
R
Toddsterpatriot
Diamond Member
From 500 BC until 1948.
Syria was in charge of Israel that entire time? Wow!
Do you remember the olive trees and almond trees and the pomegranates?
No, I don't remember events 2500 years ago. Do you?
Toddsterpatriot
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They had Palestinians stamps and currency and newspapers.
That's awesome! What was their currency?
Who was in their government?
Dogmaphobe
Diamond Member
Currency printed by thomas de La rue of london.
facts never matter to Antisemites, though.
P F Tinmore
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Liberation is not intervention. Liberation, by default, is a defensive position.RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: Finally, somewhat of a decent challenge.
The application of the Protocols does not rest upon the determination as to whether or not the conflict is "just" or "unjust." For that matter, the application of the protocols does not revolve around the issue of "aggression" or "self-defense." As a matter of fact, neither Protocols I or II event mention the word "liberation" let alone "war of Liberation.
(COMMENT)
All the Protocols (I & II) say is that the terminology of "armed conflict" includes Armed confrontations on the matters of:
◈ Colonial Aggression◈ Alien Occupation◈ Right of Self-Determination
The Protocols do NOT grant approvals for or otherwise authorize such conflicts. In fact Protocol II (Article 3) specifically says:
Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 said:
Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 said:Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 said:
This would rule out, as applicable the bottom three of the four Resolutions encouraging "by all means" and none of the four resolutions have been enacted into law (not in force). And, by the way, International Humanitarian Law "never" justifies a conflict for any reason. It is all about "protections" afforded in such conflicts.◈ United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) Resolution 2787’ in 1971:✦ UN General Assembly (UNGA) Resolution 3314, in 1974,✦ United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/RES/33/24’, 1974✦ UNGA resolution 37/43 in 1982,One more point of order: Every single one of these resolutions came into existence AFTER the 1967 Conflict (Six-Day War). And at the time they were written, the Hashemite Kingdom held sovereignty over the West Bank. AND the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was established as the "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people - LAS Rabat Summit - resolution (28 October 1974)."(COMMENT)I'm still waiting for the copy of the "Israeli Talking Points" that you have. (Personally, I don't think there is any such thing.) But I, in any event, I don't actually speak for the Israelis. I express my opinions and I'll address "Bull Shit" when I see it.Most Respectfully,R
You need to ditch that Israeli talking point.
Such a nonsense claim is by default, nonsense.Liberation is not intervention. Liberation, by default, is a defensive position.RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: Finally, somewhat of a decent challenge.
The application of the Protocols does not rest upon the determination as to whether or not the conflict is "just" or "unjust." For that matter, the application of the protocols does not revolve around the issue of "aggression" or "self-defense." As a matter of fact, neither Protocols I or II event mention the word "liberation" let alone "war of Liberation.
(COMMENT)
All the Protocols (I & II) say is that the terminology of "armed conflict" includes Armed confrontations on the matters of:
◈ Colonial Aggression◈ Alien Occupation◈ Right of Self-Determination
The Protocols do NOT grant approvals for or otherwise authorize such conflicts. In fact Protocol II (Article 3) specifically says:
Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 said:
Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 said:Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 said:
This would rule out, as applicable the bottom three of the four Resolutions encouraging "by all means" and none of the four resolutions have been enacted into law (not in force). And, by the way, International Humanitarian Law "never" justifies a conflict for any reason. It is all about "protections" afforded in such conflicts.◈ United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) Resolution 2787’ in 1971:✦ UN General Assembly (UNGA) Resolution 3314, in 1974,✦ United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/RES/33/24’, 1974✦ UNGA resolution 37/43 in 1982,One more point of order: Every single one of these resolutions came into existence AFTER the 1967 Conflict (Six-Day War). And at the time they were written, the Hashemite Kingdom held sovereignty over the West Bank. AND the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was established as the "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people - LAS Rabat Summit - resolution (28 October 1974)."(COMMENT)I'm still waiting for the copy of the "Israeli Talking Points" that you have. (Personally, I don't think there is any such thing.) But I, in any event, I don't actually speak for the Israelis. I express my opinions and I'll address "Bull Shit" when I see it.Most Respectfully,R
You need to ditch that Israeli talking point.
Can you provide a link all this? My guess is no...What territory specifically are you talking about that Israel ‘claims’ is theirs . Post a map and hiloge
In the months prior to June 1967, tensions became dangerously heightened. Israel reiterated its post-1956 position that the closure of the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping would be a cause for war (a casus belli).I read facts, like the facts that the Arabs were massing troops around Israel, making threats of annihalation and had closed the straits of Tiran, which Israel had said would be taken as an act of war. So Israel pre emptively attacked the Arabs (which is pathetic considering how small Israel is compared to the countries of beat by destroying all their air forces)
Since the Arabs lost the war, of course they act like crying babies and play the victim card. Truly pathetic..
They weren't amassing troops around Israel.. The Straits of Tiran had been closed for 14 months.. Nasser had asked for a summit to resolved the problem. Egyptian troops were deployed in Yemen to fight the civil war there.
ejecting UNEF.
Six-Day War - Wikipedia
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Any more questions ??
The Straits of Tiran had been closed for 14 months before Israel attacked Egypt ,, and in the weeks prior Nasser had called for a summit to resolve the situation.
Please give some specific examples of how the Palestinians have “defended” themselves in the last few decades ...Liberation is not intervention. Liberation, by default, is a defensive position.RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: Finally, somewhat of a decent challenge.
The application of the Protocols does not rest upon the determination as to whether or not the conflict is "just" or "unjust." For that matter, the application of the protocols does not revolve around the issue of "aggression" or "self-defense." As a matter of fact, neither Protocols I or II event mention the word "liberation" let alone "war of Liberation.
(COMMENT)
All the Protocols (I & II) say is that the terminology of "armed conflict" includes Armed confrontations on the matters of:
◈ Colonial Aggression◈ Alien Occupation◈ Right of Self-Determination
The Protocols do NOT grant approvals for or otherwise authorize such conflicts. In fact Protocol II (Article 3) specifically says:
Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 said:
Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 said:Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 said:
This would rule out, as applicable the bottom three of the four Resolutions encouraging "by all means" and none of the four resolutions have been enacted into law (not in force). And, by the way, International Humanitarian Law "never" justifies a conflict for any reason. It is all about "protections" afforded in such conflicts.◈ United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) Resolution 2787’ in 1971:✦ UN General Assembly (UNGA) Resolution 3314, in 1974,✦ United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/RES/33/24’, 1974✦ UNGA resolution 37/43 in 1982,One more point of order: Every single one of these resolutions came into existence AFTER the 1967 Conflict (Six-Day War). And at the time they were written, the Hashemite Kingdom held sovereignty over the West Bank. AND the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was established as the "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people - LAS Rabat Summit - resolution (28 October 1974)."(COMMENT)I'm still waiting for the copy of the "Israeli Talking Points" that you have. (Personally, I don't think there is any such thing.) But I, in any event, I don't actually speak for the Israelis. I express my opinions and I'll address "Bull Shit" when I see it.Most Respectfully,R
You need to ditch that Israeli talking point.
This should be interesting
You’re probably not surprised but the Pals are begging at the UN for more welfare money. Gee, has it been 24 hours already since the last time they came begging?
I guess between the recent Islamic terrorist ‘war games’ where they attacked the ocean with rockets and deposits of welfare money to their personal bank accounts it falls to everyone else to bail out the Islamic terrorist franchises.
Today, the Prime Minister of the State of Palestine, H.E. Dr. Mohammad Shtayyeh, and the Humanitarian Coordinator a.i., Ms. Lucia Elmi, launched the Humanitarian Response Plan (HRP) to help 1.8 vulnerable people in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt) in 2021. The launch was broadcasted on social media, where speakers responded to questions from the public.
I guess between the recent Islamic terrorist ‘war games’ where they attacked the ocean with rockets and deposits of welfare money to their personal bank accounts it falls to everyone else to bail out the Islamic terrorist franchises.
346,000 Palestinians Pushed From Moderate to Severe Need of Assistance - Joint OCHA-State of Palestine Press Release - Question of Palestine
Posted on 15 December 2020 US$417 million plan to address humanitarian needs of Palestinians launched Joint Press Release video Arabic: العربية Today, the Prime Minister of the State of Palestine, H.E. Dr. Mohammad Shtayyeh, and the Humanitarian Coordinator a.i., Ms. Lucia Elmi, launched the...
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Today, the Prime Minister of the State of Palestine, H.E. Dr. Mohammad Shtayyeh, and the Humanitarian Coordinator a.i., Ms. Lucia Elmi, launched the Humanitarian Response Plan (HRP) to help 1.8 vulnerable people in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt) in 2021. The launch was broadcasted on social media, where speakers responded to questions from the public.
As you might expect, the PA is falling over themselves in praise of attacks aimed at Israeli's.
A Pal religious authority is similarly 'blessing' attacks.
Abbas’ advisor praises rock thrower: “May his hands be blessed”
Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Jan 14, 2021
The picture above of an older Palestinian man throwing a rock with a sling shot would almost be comical if rocks being thrown by Palestinians were just a game and not a lethal weapon with which Israelis have been murdered.
The PA claims rock throwing is "peaceful resistance," but in reality it is an act of terror and thousands of Israelis have been injured and some have been murdered by rocks thrown by Palestinians, among them, for example, these victims:
Asher Palmer (25) and his infant son Yonatan were murdered by a Palestinian who threw a rock at their car, making it overturn, killing them both in 2011.
Adele Biton (3) was driving with her mother and siblings in 2013, when Palestinians threw rocks at their car, causing Adele’s mother to lose control of the car, which crashed. Adele sustained severe head injuries and never recovered. She died in 2015.
Alexander Levlovitch (64) was murdered by Palestinian terrorists who threw rocks at his car and caused it to crash in 2015.
Israeli soldier Amit ben Yigal (21) was murdered by a Palestinian terrorist who threw a rock down on his head from a building in 2020.
By posting the picture of the middle-aged Palestinian rock thrower above, PA Chairman Abbas’ advisor Mahmoud Al-Habbash encouraged this lethal means of “resistance” and added his praise too:
A Pal religious authority is similarly 'blessing' attacks.
Abbas’ advisor praises rock thrower: “May his hands be blessed”
Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Jan 14, 2021
- PA: “Rocks frighten the Israelis” – praise for rock thrower
- Palestinian rock throwing is lethal
The picture above of an older Palestinian man throwing a rock with a sling shot would almost be comical if rocks being thrown by Palestinians were just a game and not a lethal weapon with which Israelis have been murdered.
The PA claims rock throwing is "peaceful resistance," but in reality it is an act of terror and thousands of Israelis have been injured and some have been murdered by rocks thrown by Palestinians, among them, for example, these victims:
Asher Palmer (25) and his infant son Yonatan were murdered by a Palestinian who threw a rock at their car, making it overturn, killing them both in 2011.
Adele Biton (3) was driving with her mother and siblings in 2013, when Palestinians threw rocks at their car, causing Adele’s mother to lose control of the car, which crashed. Adele sustained severe head injuries and never recovered. She died in 2015.
Alexander Levlovitch (64) was murdered by Palestinian terrorists who threw rocks at his car and caused it to crash in 2015.
Israeli soldier Amit ben Yigal (21) was murdered by a Palestinian terrorist who threw a rock down on his head from a building in 2020.
By posting the picture of the middle-aged Palestinian rock thrower above, PA Chairman Abbas’ advisor Mahmoud Al-Habbash encouraged this lethal means of “resistance” and added his praise too:
The typical putrid bile from the Arabs-Moslems masquerading as Pal'istanians
“Israeli rabbis indoctrinate the Jewish kids: Kill the Palestinian children” - Palestinian “expert” libels Israel
Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Jan 15, 2021
In fact, it is Palestinian leaders who encourage Palestinian children to kill Jews
A Palestinian alleged “military expert” disseminates the lie that Israeli rabbis are teaching Jewish kids to “kill everyone who is not Jewish,” as reported by Palestinian Media Watch. Now Wasef Erekat has taken his libel a step further, claiming that the rabbis specify that Jewish kids should “kill the Palestinian children”:
“Israeli rabbis indoctrinate the Jewish kids: Kill the Palestinian children” - Palestinian “expert” libels Israel
Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Jan 15, 2021
In fact, it is Palestinian leaders who encourage Palestinian children to kill Jews
A Palestinian alleged “military expert” disseminates the lie that Israeli rabbis are teaching Jewish kids to “kill everyone who is not Jewish,” as reported by Palestinian Media Watch. Now Wasef Erekat has taken his libel a step further, claiming that the rabbis specify that Jewish kids should “kill the Palestinian children”:
Strong Warning Alert!
Somebody (other than the Pals of course), needs to take responsibility for the Pals' lack of high speed internet.
The costs of maintaining the expansive Islamic terrorist infrastructure are massive. Maintaining entire networks of Islamic terrorists and supporting the greed, theft and corruption as a first priority for the Pally leadership costs boatloads of money. With the middling funds available for the usual expenditures associated with maintaining the civil responsibilities of government, that endless black hole of want, need and entitlement needs others to do for them what they refuse to do.
RAMALLAH, Thursday, January 14, 2021 (WAFA) - The Palestinian Authority (PA) today issued a strong warning that Palestine's momentum towards the digital economy is falling behind due to Israel's control over access to the 4G/5G spectrum.
This continued deprivation of access to the necessary spectrum will have negative economic and social consequences, especially as Covid-19 is transitioning the Palestine society to digital life across key sectors and the current broadband infrastructure is not enough.
In a letter addressed to the international and donor community operating in Palestine, the Palestinian Authority reported the negative impact of such deprivation and the positive results of access to technology.
Somebody (other than the Pals of course), needs to take responsibility for the Pals' lack of high speed internet.
The costs of maintaining the expansive Islamic terrorist infrastructure are massive. Maintaining entire networks of Islamic terrorists and supporting the greed, theft and corruption as a first priority for the Pally leadership costs boatloads of money. With the middling funds available for the usual expenditures associated with maintaining the civil responsibilities of government, that endless black hole of want, need and entitlement needs others to do for them what they refuse to do.
RAMALLAH, Thursday, January 14, 2021 (WAFA) - The Palestinian Authority (PA) today issued a strong warning that Palestine's momentum towards the digital economy is falling behind due to Israel's control over access to the 4G/5G spectrum.
This continued deprivation of access to the necessary spectrum will have negative economic and social consequences, especially as Covid-19 is transitioning the Palestine society to digital life across key sectors and the current broadband infrastructure is not enough.
In a letter addressed to the international and donor community operating in Palestine, the Palestinian Authority reported the negative impact of such deprivation and the positive results of access to technology.
In 1952 a lot of Palestinians worked in our town and went to our church.
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