Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Life of Palestinian School Children - Four Corners Documentary

 

[Hollie]

 

[Hollie]

Death Cult kindergarten graduation,

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The Mandated facilitation of Jewish immigration into a territory that was NOT an action deliberately calculated to induce angry within the Arab populations, anywhere in the Middle East, where all rights and title territories situated outside the frontiers of Turkey; where the future of these territories was to be settled by the Allied Powers concerned.

See:

• Treaty of Lausanne - Article 16
• Treaty of Sevres - Article 132​

Of course the standard comment and return rhetoric is that the Israelis (not mentioning the aforementioned provocations) have done many times worse (not that the HoAP didn't compare for a lack of trying).

Israeli settler colonialism is the provocation.

(COMMENT)

This is just another example of the Hostile Arab Palestinian attempting to create the illusion of an Allied Power trying to use Jewish Immigration to bring the Arab Population under their dominant control.

The purpose of the Jewish Immigration was a decision (Allied Powers 1920 San Remo) to establish a Jewish National Home.

The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the [Balfour] Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917.

(COMMENT)

The idea that the Arab Palestinian had some provocation to violence, based on some colonialist notion is absurd. While the immigrants were colonists, they were NOT colonials under Article 6 Immigration.

The political relevance of the Immigration Status a half century ago is negotiable. The fact of reality tell us they two parties (Arab-Israeli in conflict) is here and now. It is the continuations of the struggle. Even if the two parties never reach agreement; where a solution is unattainable, it is important to have a clear view of the 21st Century View (not the view of 50 or 100 years ago) the Arab-Palestinian holds of the Israeli:

​

“the sanctity of the blood of women, young children, and elderly infidels is not absolute. There are cases under which it is permitted to kill them, if they are part of a nation of war….f only one of these circumstances holds true, then he must permit the operations because the circumstances are not conditional upon fulfilling all of them, but only one will suffice. …
Muslims are permitted to kill infidel innocents reciprocally; if the infidels are targeting the women, the young children and the elderly Muslims, then it is permissible for the Muslims to act reciprocally, and kill just as they were killed. in Jenin, Nablus, Ramallah, and other places”
(Communique from Qu’idat al- Jihad Concerning the Testaments of the Heroes and the Legality of the Washington and New York Operations, April 24, 2002, in David Cook, Understanding Jihad, U of California Press, 2004, pp 175 et seq.)​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ziowood Productions. This is too funny. There is a gun battle and people are casually walking around in the street watching.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The political relevance of the Immigration Status a half century ago is negotiable.

Colonial settlers are not immigrants.

 

[P F Tinmore]

This is just another example of the Hostile Arab Palestinian attempting to create the illusion of an Allied Power trying to use Jewish Immigration to bring the Arab Population under their dominant control.

Oh, like that isn't what happened.

Who writes this crap for you?

 

[Sixties Fan]

But throughout the Hamas delegation visit to Iran there were many other statements making it clear that Hamas is sworn to fight Israel forever.

[Deputy head of Hamas' Political Bureau Saleh al-Arouri] cautioned Arab countries about normalization of ties with the Zionist regime of Israel, adding that Hams will never recognize Israeli regime and will not give up its right of resistance.
“Despite the existing difficulties, fighting the Zionist occupiers and resisting against them is our option," al-Arouri added.
He emphasized that the resistance’s weapon is not negotiable and the issue has not been and will not be discussed in the reconciliation talks between Palestinians.But we are constantly told that the Palestinian Authority, the Palestinian people and Mahmoud Abbas in particular support peace with Israel.

(full article online0

Abbas' silence over Hamas partner's genocidal statements against Israel proves he isn't interested in peace ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[P F Tinmore]

But throughout the Hamas delegation visit to Iran there were many other statements making it clear that Hamas is sworn to fight Israel forever.

[Deputy head of Hamas' Political Bureau Saleh al-Arouri] cautioned Arab countries about normalization of ties with the Zionist regime of Israel, adding that Hams will never recognize Israeli regime and will not give up its right of resistance.
“Despite the existing difficulties, fighting the Zionist occupiers and resisting against them is our option," al-Arouri added.
He emphasized that the resistance’s weapon is not negotiable and the issue has not been and will not be discussed in the reconciliation talks between Palestinians.But we are constantly told that the Palestinian Authority, the Palestinian people and Mahmoud Abbas in particular support peace with Israel.

(full article online0

Abbas' silence over Hamas partner's genocidal statements against Israel proves he isn't interested in peace ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Do you think it would be different if Israel didn't have its fat ass parked on Palestinian land?

 

[Sixties Fan]

He is using the language of the anti-Israel crowd - emphasizing "fundamental rights" and "justice," the keywords that the haters misuse to the point of parody - but the people he is speaking about as victims of injustice are specifically the Christians under Palestinian rule! No one else is fleeing from their land out of fear.

Unfortunately, any such intended rebuke will go unnoticed or ignored. Arab media is reporting his speech as a straight criticism of Israel. His use of the words "justice" and "rights" will (ironically) hearten the Israel haters.

But there was a criticism of the Muslims who have forced hundred of thousands of Christians to flee the West Bank since 1948. It is too bad that this - one of the major stories out of the Holy Land of the past 70 years - will continue to go virtually unreported.

(full article online)

Pope Francis backhandedly criticizes Palestinian Muslims for forcing Christians to flee ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[P F Tinmore]

He is using the language of the anti-Israel crowd - emphasizing "fundamental rights" and "justice," the keywords that the haters misuse to the point of parody - but the people he is speaking about as victims of injustice are specifically the Christians under Palestinian rule! No one else is fleeing from their land out of fear.

Unfortunately, any such intended rebuke will go unnoticed or ignored. Arab media is reporting his speech as a straight criticism of Israel. His use of the words "justice" and "rights" will (ironically) hearten the Israel haters.

But there was a criticism of the Muslims who have forced hundred of thousands of Christians to flee the West Bank since 1948. It is too bad that this - one of the major stories out of the Holy Land of the past 70 years - will continue to go virtually unreported.

(full article online)

Pope Francis backhandedly criticizes Palestinian Muslims for forcing Christians to flee ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

At the time of the creation of the Israeli state in 1948, it is estimated that the Christians of Palestine numbered some 350,000. Almost 20 percent of the total population at the time, they constituted a vibrant and ancient community; their forbears had listened to St. Peter in Jerusalem as he preached at the first Pentecost. Yet Zionist doctrine held that Palestine was “a land without a people for a people without a land.” Of the 750,000 Palestinians that were forced from their homes in 1948, some 50,000 were Christians—7 percent of the total number of refugees and 35 percent of the total number of Christians living in Palestine at the time.

In the process of “Judaizing” Palestine, numerous convents, hospices, seminaries, and churches were either destroyed or cleared of their Christian owners and custodians. In one of the most spectacular attacks on a Christian target, on May 17, 1948, the Armenian Orthodox Patriarchate was shelled with about 100 mortar rounds—launched by Zionist forces from the already occupied monastery of the Benedictine Fathers on Mount Zion. The bombardment also damaged St. Jacob’s Convent, the Archangel’s Convent, and their appended churches, their two elementary and seminary schools, as well as their libraries, killing eight people and wounding 120.

Forgotten Christians

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Good propaganda only has to be convincing; the propaganda does not have to be valid. Most of the Arab Palestinians don't even understand what criteria there is to establish peace. Arguing about the origins (50 to 100 years ago) of the Arab - Israeli Conflict, while vastly entertaining, is not relevant to the development of a solution.

The Demand According to the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department (PLO-NAD) || Press Releases October 04, 2017
The Arab-Palestinian wants the US to recognize the State of Palestine on the 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital. This is the way to achieve the ultimate deal with the State of Israel to live side by side the State of Palestine in peace and security.​

This is not only ambiguous, but an unrealistic demand. The PLO-NAD, as do most most Arab-Palestinians, know that Israel will never agree to such a demand that will have the consequence of

This is just another example of the Hostile Arab Palestinian attempting to create the illusion of an Allied Power trying to use Jewish Immigration to bring the Arab Population under their dominant control.

Oh, like that isn't what happened.

Who writes this crap for you?

(COMMENT)

※→ P F Tinmore: "Oh, like that isn't what happened." What is that? Some sort of sarcasm!

There was no attempt on the part of the Allied Powers to use immigration as a proxy strategy.

The political relevance of the Immigration Status a half century ago is negotiable.

Colonial settlers are not immigrants.

(COMMENT)

TRUE
And Article 6 of the Mandate address immigration... Therefore the Jewish Immigrants are not talking about "colonialism."

BUT, you skipped the entire allegation here. How Israel came into existence is not the issue (immigrant, - colonial or otherwise)? Today, the power brokers in the Arab-Israeli world want the sovereign territory for their own exploitation.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Sixties Fan]

[Not a Palestinian]

Dhafer Youssef (Arabic: ظافر يوسف‎‎; born 19 November 1967 in Teboulba, Tunisia) is a composer, singer and oud player.

Youssef developed an interest in jazz at an early age and clandestinely listened to it during his education at a Qur'anic school.[1] He later left Tunisia to start a jazz career and has lived in Europe since 1990, usually in Paris or Vienna.

 

[P F Tinmore]

TRUE
And Article 6 of the Mandate address immigration... Therefore the Jewish Immigrants are not talking about "colonialism."

Britain and the Zionists both spoke openly about colonizing Palestine.

 

[Sixties Fan]

[These are the Palestinian Leaders]

Fatah seeks "true partnership" with Hamas;
Neither Fatah nor Hamas will give up violence

Fatah Central Committee members endorse continued Fatah terror:

• Jibril Rajoub: Fatah-Hamas unity government will not give up "resistance" - i.e., PA euphemism for terror

• Azzam Al-Ahmad: Fatah principles remain "popular resistance, armed struggle, and negotiations"

Itamar Marcus and Nan Jacques Zilberdik

(full article online)

Fatah seeks "true partnership" with Hamas; Neither will give up violence - PMW Bulletins

 

[P F Tinmore]

[These are the Palestinian Leaders]

Fatah seeks "true partnership" with Hamas;
Neither Fatah nor Hamas will give up violence

Fatah Central Committee members endorse continued Fatah terror:

• Jibril Rajoub: Fatah-Hamas unity government will not give up "resistance" - i.e., PA euphemism for terror

• Azzam Al-Ahmad: Fatah principles remain "popular resistance, armed struggle, and negotiations"

Itamar Marcus and Nan Jacques Zilberdik

(full article online)

Fatah seeks "true partnership" with Hamas; Neither will give up violence - PMW Bulletins

Israel's colonization was the initial violence. People do not get colonized voluntarily.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Sixties Fan]

[These are the Palestinian Leaders]

Fatah seeks "true partnership" with Hamas;
Neither Fatah nor Hamas will give up violence

Fatah Central Committee members endorse continued Fatah terror:

• Jibril Rajoub: Fatah-Hamas unity government will not give up "resistance" - i.e., PA euphemism for terror

• Azzam Al-Ahmad: Fatah principles remain "popular resistance, armed struggle, and negotiations"

Itamar Marcus and Nan Jacques Zilberdik

(full article online)

Fatah seeks "true partnership" with Hamas; Neither will give up violence - PMW Bulletins

Israel's colonization was the initial violence. People do not get colonized voluntarily.

Bull, you never get upset that the Ottoman Turks colonized Palestine.
Nor that the "Palestinian" Arabs never revolted against them and fought for their independence from the Turks.

Jews do not like being colonized on their own ancient homeland. Never did.
The land continues to be theirs.

It is called Israel. The Nation of Israel. The People of Israel.

Christians and Muslims know that.

Jew haters try to destroy that.