Who are the Israelis?
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Had Jews not pressed Britain for a country after collapse of the Ottoman Empire after WW1, there would not have been a British Mandate, called “Palestine.” There would not have been any entity Palestine other than an old European name, like “Holy Land.” The area would have been Syria and Lebanon, created by France after WW1.
RoccoR
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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
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BLUF: Most of this is misinformation.
The terms "Won • or • Lost" relative to any war, is both philosophical and subjective terminology. You are just bantering terms to make it appear you have a point. In political and diplomatic parlance, these terms are specifically NOT used as face-saving measures; and just so people like you can quibble over the point. These terms cannot apply to the Arab Palestinians because they were never a party to the 1948 conflict.
The 1948 conflict did not halt because of a UN Security Council Resolution. The cessation of hostilities was facilitated by the United Nations Mediator with the assistance of a group of international military observers, which came to be known as the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO).
Yeah, as if that means anything. The of the term "Palestine" was defined by the Palestine Order in Council. "The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." The use of the term "Israel" is again, a diplomatic face-saving that means nothing in actuality. All the Armistice Arrangements and both the Peace Treaty Between with the Arab Republic of Egypt (covering the Gaza Strip) and the Treaty of Peace with The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (covering the West Bank and Jerusalem).
Palestine's International Borders was established between the British and French. "Syria was set by the "frontier described in Article 8 of the Franco-Turkish Agreement of the 20th October 1921." From that point, the Mandate boundaries that partitioned Syria were determined between France and Great Britain (Treaty # 564). Treaty #564 is the Franco-British Convention of 23 December 1920.
Anything can be used as a reference point. And yes, the Armistice lines were to remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties was achieved. Neither the Armistice nor the Peace Settlements set an obligation in favor of the Arab Palestinians.
Demarcation Lines, established prior to the peaceful settlements, as international boundaries, could be set in any fashion and anywhere as longs as the parties agree. The boundary can run on top of the Armistice Lines, parallel to or intersecting with older national boundaries; just as long as the parties agree to the arrangement.
It should also be remembered that there is a General Principle of International Law (GP•IL) (stated in layman's terms) that GP•IL shall be strictly construed and shall not be extended by "P F Tinmore" analogy. When there is a case of ambiguity, the definition shall be interpreted in favor of the person being investigated, prosecuted, or convicted.
Most Respectfully,
R
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: Most of this is misinformation.
(COMMENT)
The terms "Won • or • Lost" relative to any war, is both philosophical and subjective terminology. You are just bantering terms to make it appear you have a point. In political and diplomatic parlance, these terms are specifically NOT used as face-saving measures; and just so people like you can quibble over the point. These terms cannot apply to the Arab Palestinians because they were never a party to the 1948 conflict.
The 1948 conflict did not halt because of a UN Security Council Resolution. The cessation of hostilities was facilitated by the United Nations Mediator with the assistance of a group of international military observers, which came to be known as the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO).
(COMMENT)
Yeah, as if that means anything. The of the term "Palestine" was defined by the Palestine Order in Council. "The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." The use of the term "Israel" is again, a diplomatic face-saving that means nothing in actuality. All the Armistice Arrangements and both the Peace Treaty Between with the Arab Republic of Egypt (covering the Gaza Strip) and the Treaty of Peace with The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (covering the West Bank and Jerusalem).
(COMMENT)
Palestine's International Borders was established between the British and French. "Syria was set by the "frontier described in Article 8 of the Franco-Turkish Agreement of the 20th October 1921." From that point, the Mandate boundaries that partitioned Syria were determined between France and Great Britain (Treaty # 564). Treaty #564 is the Franco-British Convention of 23 December 1920.
(COMMENT)
Anything can be used as a reference point. And yes, the Armistice lines were to remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties was achieved. Neither the Armistice nor the Peace Settlements set an obligation in favor of the Arab Palestinians.
Demarcation Lines, established prior to the peaceful settlements, as international boundaries, could be set in any fashion and anywhere as longs as the parties agree. The boundary can run on top of the Armistice Lines, parallel to or intersecting with older national boundaries; just as long as the parties agree to the arrangement.
It should also be remembered that there is a General Principle of International Law (GP•IL) (stated in layman's terms) that GP•IL shall be strictly construed and shall not be extended by "P F Tinmore" analogy. When there is a case of ambiguity, the definition shall be interpreted in favor of the person being investigated, prosecuted, or convicted.
Most Respectfully,
R
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There is nothing to suggest she was ''murdered''. This is just another of your silly cut and paste youtube videos to which you attach baseless, hysterical claims, totally unsupported.
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Prominent Arab historian George Antonius, author of the famous book “The Arab Awakening,” wrote that palestine was the result of Western powers “dismembering” Syria, and calling southern Syria by the name palestine for the British Mandate
P F Tinmore
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That video is at least 15 years old.
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That video is at least 15 years old.
So are most of your cut and paste slogans.
That video is at least 15 years old.
So are most of your cut and paste slogans.
That guy has been posting the same drivel for 11 years and tens of thousands of posts. Over and over and over...He’s obviously mentally ill, so, why waste your life responding to him?
Toddsterpatriot
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The fighting in the 1948 war was halted when a UN Security Council Resolution called for an armistice. Nobody won or lost that war.
That wasn't the point.
Why did Israel sign them all?
Why did Paestine sign none of them?
A place called Israel was not mentioned at all.
You're lying.
There wasn’t a palestine in the ‘48 War. Arabs from within the British Mandate, which was called palestine and which ceased to exist with Israeli statehood, and from outside (5 Arab countries) attacked the nascent state of Israel. But, there wasn’t a country palestine.
Toddsterpatriot
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Of course not. Not before the '48 War. Not today.
P F Tinmore
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Then what was the point?
Arab commentator: “When the State of Israel was established, there was no state called ‘palestine.’ Where did we get that name? It did not exist.”
Toddsterpatriot
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Why bother? Obviously, there is something seriously wrong with him.
P F Tinmore
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What makes my points lies? You are not giving me anything to work with.
Toddsterpatriot
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What makes my points lies?
You claimed the armistice agreements didn't mention Israel. That's a lie.
P F Tinmore
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Quote the part where Israel, as a place, is mentioned.
RoccoR
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RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
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BLUF: Don't bother to reply to P F Tinmore on this issue.
This has been explained so many times to HIM by so many people, that it is no longer a legitimate question.
Most Respectfully,
R
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BLUF: Don't bother to reply to P F Tinmore on this issue.
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This has been explained so many times to HIM by so many people, that it is no longer a legitimate question.
Most Respectfully,
R
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