Which Republican is giving up Medicare & SS on retirement?

[eagle1462010]

Why you win again.........Gas prices....

Helping the poor by making gas more expensive...........hmmmm

Come on libbies .........chant how great that is for the poor........get your pom poms out

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If social programs help society thats good.

If people help themselves, that's even better.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

We should RAISE the taxes on the South, because they take more, in fact what ever a state takes it should pay that much more in taxes.

At least that's the kind of logic that SHOULD APPLY according to Republican theories.

Diversion tactic noted.

So it's a diversion that the South takes more in Medicare & Medicaid than they pay into the system?
Yet complain more about Medicare & Medicaid?

I'm so sorry reality is a hard pill to swallow?

SHOCK: California is Number One; Leads The Nation...

At 20.4 percent, that poverty rate is higher than in any other state (only Washington DC has a higher rate at 21 percent). The national poverty rate stands at 14.7 percent.

Amazingly, The Orange County Register reports, while the state with the largest economy in the country has 12 percent of the national population, they account for a full one-third of all families in the nation receiving money from the Clinton-era “Temporary Assistance for Needy Families,” which sucks almost $20 billion from the federal budget.

That's NOT in per capita terms.

California has the most people by far so its not surprising they have more in total numbers.

Diversion..........lol...........percentages calling you out there........LOL

Highest PERCENTAGE in the country...........and .......awe.........higher population......

You were saying how we are the problem............poor thing........

That link prob includes STATE FUNDING.

This link shows Southern states paying less for Medicaid & therefor passing on the tab to THE FEDS.

State Fiscal Conditions and Medicaid: 2014 Update - Issue Brief

 

[kyzr]

We pay into SS & Medicare our entire working life, it needs to be protected from all freeloaders, who currently get 32% of the Mandatory Budget:

2019 Mandatory Budget Spending $2.74T
Social Security $878b
Medicare $625b
Medicaid $412b
Welfare $462b
Interest on the Debt $363b (if we don't balance the Budget the interest explodes, crowding out all other items)

 

[Correll]

Obama's stimulis package was BS & Trump's tax cuts were BS.

Both added on a ton of debt & did nothing to help the real wages grow much.

Wages in the US grew at their fastest pace for nine years last month, the latest official figures show.

The US Labor Department said wages grew at an annual rate of 3.1% in October, accelerating from a rate of 2.8% the month before.

The economy also added 250,000 jobs last month, beating expectations, while the jobless rate remained at 3.7%.

US wage growth hits nine-year high

Inflation is going up quicker than wages are, opps.

Inflation hurts our oldest members the most.

Thats why Social security & medicare are so important

If we want these programs, then they need to be funded. They are causing all kinds of problems because people lived their lives without saving and depended on SS being enough to make it. It isn't.

Medicare and Medicaid only pay about 2/3 of their patients bill. Not a big deal for a doctors visit, but a real problem for a $200,000 surgery. So then they need to up their prices and that gets passed on to non-government patients who's sole payer is insurance. Then insurance rates go up and it becomes unaffordable for some people.

Don't worry truck drivers don't finance Medicare much.

Denocrat billionaires do finance it a lot like Soros, Zuckerberg, Larry Page, Bezos, Bill Gates, Brian Roberts, Sumner Redstone & Warren Buffet.

I'm not aware that social security deductions are as "progressive" as the income tax.

 

[eagle1462010]

Diversion tactic noted.

So it's a diversion that the South takes more in Medicare & Medicaid than they pay into the system?
Yet complain more about Medicare & Medicaid?

I'm so sorry reality is a hard pill to swallow?

SHOCK: California is Number One; Leads The Nation...

At 20.4 percent, that poverty rate is higher than in any other state (only Washington DC has a higher rate at 21 percent). The national poverty rate stands at 14.7 percent.

Amazingly, The Orange County Register reports, while the state with the largest economy in the country has 12 percent of the national population, they account for a full one-third of all families in the nation receiving money from the Clinton-era “Temporary Assistance for Needy Families,” which sucks almost $20 billion from the federal budget.

That's NOT in per capita terms.

California has the most people by far so its not surprising they have more in total numbers.

Diversion..........lol...........percentages calling you out there........LOL

Highest PERCENTAGE in the country...........and .......awe.........higher population......

You were saying how we are the problem............poor thing........

That link prob includes STATE FUNDING.

This link shows Southern states paying less for Medicaid & therefor passing on the tab to THE FEDS.

State Fiscal Conditions and Medicaid: 2014 Update - Issue Brief

Higher percentage getting it..............higher percentage getting Federal Funds........Higher population..........and yet you still dance in your ignorance.................

Your side has been playing this BS card for far too long.............Normal election year BS...........You have a higher percentage on the dole........YOU OWN IT..........

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

If social programs help society thats good.

If people help themselves, that's even better.

If 50% of people in the USA make less than 30K a year which they do its hard enough to pay rent & cars & food bills much less get health insurance & save up for retirement.

Republicans think most people should settle for less.

You don't support any measures to help people become middle class.

You support outsourcing decent jobs, you support paying people less & government giving less.

So whats the solution?
Maybe you & your ilk ARE THE PROBLEM?

On a bit of side note in Poland only 4% votes for Mikke Korwin whos like a Republican.

Meanwhile nearly 10X more voted for anti- Refugee but pro family welfare check PiS Law & Justice.

I'm more Polish minded than you & Bear.

Which is great thing to be Polish minded.

Anyone who thinks we should settle for less is no friend of mine.

 

[Dana7360]

I've yet to meet a Republican who didn't take Social Security & Medicare after retirenent?

I have seen a lot complain about such program s none the less.

Seems a bit hypocritical, no?

Nope.

It takes no brains to realize that SS is a ponzi scheme that is certain to cause great harm to this nation.


Yet, the reality is that at the same time you are trying to save and invest for retirement, that you are being forced at the point of a gun to contribute to the shady system.


After a lifetime of being forced to "invest"in the system, taking the money back out, is not hypocritical.


It is dealing with the reality that your participation is forced.

Who pointed a gun at you?

I've been paying into medicare and SS since 1976. In those 42 years no one has pointed a gun at me to deduct those funds from my pay or when I owned my business no one had to point a gun at me to send in the payments to the government.

If you hate those programs so much then don't take the money or health coverage when you're old enough to qualify.

It's as easy at that.

Saying someone pointed a gun at you is just and out and out LIE.

But then if you conservatives couldn't lie thought your teeth 24-7 you wouldn't have anything to say.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Why you win again.........Gas prices....

Helping the poor by making gas more expensive...........hmmmm

Come on libbies .........chant how great that is for the poor........get your pom poms out

If I wanted to move somewhere cheaper I'd move to Poland.

It's way cheaper than the South.

I don't like Blacks which liter the South & I don't like Rednecks much more who liter the South too.

 

[Correll]

I've yet to meet a Republican who didn't take Social Security & Medicare after retirenent?

I have seen a lot complain about such program s none the less.

Seems a bit hypocritical, no?

Nope.

It takes no brains to realize that SS is a ponzi scheme that is certain to cause great harm to this nation.


Yet, the reality is that at the same time you are trying to save and invest for retirement, that you are being forced at the point of a gun to contribute to the shady system.


After a lifetime of being forced to "invest"in the system, taking the money back out, is not hypocritical.


It is dealing with the reality that your participation is forced.

Who pointed a gun at you?

I've been paying into medicare and SS since 1976. In those 42 years no one has pointed a gun at me to deduct those funds from my pay or when I owned my business no one had to point a gun at me to send in the payments to the government.

If you hate those programs so much then don't take the money or health coverage when you're old enough to qualify.

It's as easy at that.

Saying someone pointed a gun at you is just and out and out LIE.

But then if you conservatives couldn't lie thought your teeth 24-7 you wouldn't have anything to say.

If you did not pay your taxes, eventually they would send someone with a gun to arrest you. You know that.


THe part where you pretend to not know that, is a real lie. You LIED.


Not me. YOU.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If 50% of people in the USA make less than 30K a year which they do its hard enough to pay rent & cars & food bills much less get health insurance & save up for retirement.

Republicans think most people should settle for less.

You don't support any measures to help people become middle class.

It's not up to me or the Republicans to "help" people become middle-class. That's left to the individual.

How can you settle for any less than being on some government program? If you can't support yourself and need your neighbors to do so, then you are the one that hit rock bottom.

Before you make judgements on what Republicans believe, maybe you should try listening to them first. Try Rush Limbaugh sometime. He's constantly telling people to better themselves. He always tells people that government is a hurdle, not a catapult. He always said everybody can accomplish whatever their goals are. I never heard him say people should just settle for less.

In my industry, we need over 30,000 new drivers we can't find. It's gotten so bad that industry is now turning to foreigners to do the job. And let me tell you, you can make a decent living being a truck driver; much more than 30K a year. In fact, some companies will train and get you licensed if you sign a year contract with them.

My father did very well being a bricklayer. He's 87 years old and still getting his pension checks. But you can't find younger people willing to join the trade. The ones that do try can't pass the drug test because smoking pot is more important than securing a career which is in demand right now!

It was the same thing with my former tenants. They were both in their later 20's when they left, and both worked fast food jobs. Why? Because better paying jobs required them to take drug tests. So they opted to keep smoking pot and work lower wage jobs. The problem is a lot of younger people are doing the same. So it's not a surprise that many in our country are making 30K or less a year.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

 

[eagle1462010]

Why you win again.........Gas prices....

Helping the poor by making gas more expensive...........hmmmm

Come on libbies .........chant how great that is for the poor........get your pom poms out

If I wanted to move somewhere cheaper I'd move to Poland.

It's way cheaper than the South.

I don't like Blacks which liter the South & I don't like Rednecks much more who liter the South too.

So you are a Racist Fascist..............hmmm

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

If 50% of people in the USA make less than 30K a year which they do its hard enough to pay rent & cars & food bills much less get health insurance & save up for retirement.

Republicans think most people should settle for less.

You don't support any measures to help people become middle class.

It's not up to me or the Republicans to "help" people become middle-class. That's left to the individual.

How can you settle for any less than being on some government program? If you can't support yourself and need your neighbors to do so, then you are the one that hit rock bottom.

Before you make judgements on what Republicans believe, maybe you should try listening to them first. Try Rush Limbaugh sometime. He's constantly telling people to better themselves. He always tells people that government is a hurdle, not a catapult. He always said everybody can accomplish whatever their goals are. I never heard him say people should just settle for less.

In my industry, we need over 30,000 new drivers we can't find. It's gotten so bad that industry is now turning to foreigners to do the job. And let me tell you, you can make a decent living being a truck driver; much more than 30K a year. In fact, some companies will train and get you licensed if you sign a year contract with them.

My father did very well being a bricklayer. He's 87 years old and still getting his pension checks. But you can't find younger people willing to join the trade. The ones that do try can't pass the drug test because smoking pot is more important than securing a career which is in demand right now!

It was the same thing with my former tenants. They were both in their later 20's when they left, and both worked fast food jobs. Why? Because better paying jobs required them to take drug tests. So they opted to keep smoking pot and work lower wage jobs. The problem is a lot of younger people are doing the same. So it's not a surprise that many in our country are making 30K or less a year.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Republicans don't even understand Capitalism much, apparently.

If 100% had PhD degrees the market would still demand burger flippers, toilet scrubbers, ditch diggers, lawn mowers, Walmart greeters.

So its actually the markets fault.

Capitalism creates winners & losers economically.

Natural selection creates winners & losers genetically.

Republicans don't seem understand either concept very well.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Why you win again.........Gas prices....

Helping the poor by making gas more expensive...........hmmmm

Come on libbies .........chant how great that is for the poor........get your pom poms out

If I wanted to move somewhere cheaper I'd move to Poland.

It's way cheaper than the South.

I don't like Blacks which liter the South & I don't like Rednecks much more who liter the South too.

So you are a Racist Fascist..............hmmm

Fascism is the solution, not the problem.

Anglo-Saxons are the problem, not the solution.

Medicare & SS are similar to Fascist principles which help the poor.

Well kind of, the Authoritarian right wing Monarchy of Germany founded socialized healthcare & welfare.



In the late 1880's the most pro-Jewish & Capitalist country was the most genocidal AKA Disraelis Britain who Disraeli a Jew who was elected to power in Britain during the Late Victorian Holocausts.

In the early 2000's the most pro-Jewish & Capitalist country was the most genocidal AKA W. Bush's USA.

It's not anti-Semitism, or Socialism, or guns which kill.

Anglo- Saxons kill & kill & kill.

Fascism helps the poor & seeks to eliminate genetic trash.

Democrats seek votes from genetic trash & so do Republicans.

 

[Flash]

Social security and Medicare are two very successful programs instituted by two of most hated Democratic presidents of all time.

So naturally, the republicans would love nothing more than eliminate them.

But since they are so ******* lame at doing anything other than giving tax cuts to the billionaires, they’ll never come up with replacements.

That's the problem. I call this the Ray from Cleveland's Raccoon Theory.

You see a raccoon digging through your garbage can. So you go inside the house and fetch that half a ham you were going to throw out at the end of the week anyway. The animal eats in delight. Now give it a couple of seconds and try to take that ham away and see what happens.

My raccoon theory is not something new. Politicians knew of this theory all along--especially on the left.

Once you give people something, they automatically claim it as their own. Like the raccoon, it's virtually impossible to take it away--unless you want to get your hand chewed up.

And this is why when Republicans are in power, they cannot take social goodies away. It's also the reason we need to stop creating more social programs.

Only thing is that these are not Racoons but rather People we're helping.

Beyond helping people these social programs seem to help the economy.
Probably by freeing up money from rich horders & putting it into the hands of people who'd hardly be consumers & make them better consumers.

Face the facts the 3 biggest economic growth in the 20th century USA were FDR, Harding & LBJ each implemented social programs.

**** "social programs". It is not my responsibility to pay your bills. It is your responsibility.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I've yet to meet a Republican who didn't take Social Security & Medicare after retirenent?

I have seen a lot complain about such programs none the less.

Seems a bit hypocritical, no?

/----/ We paid for it our entire lives, why the hell would we give it up? Do you walk into the grocer, buy a cart full of groceries, pay for it then walk away without taking them home?

 

[Cellblock2429]

I've yet to meet a Republican who didn't take Social Security & Medicare after retirenent?

I have seen a lot complain about such programs none the less.

Seems a bit hypocritical, no?

So you want us to give up on things we paid for our entire life's?

I don't really care what you do with that, but don't expect to not look hypocritical complaining about what you take.

/----/ Ever think we're complaining about the piss poor way the money is being managed?

 

[Anathema]

/----/ We paid for it our entire lives, why the hell would we give it up? Do you walk into the grocer, buy a cart full of groceries, pay for it then walk away without taking them home?

Not the same thing... mire like if a burglar steals your jewelry do you take other stolen merchandise as repayment 15 years later? I sure as Hell don’t.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If 50% of people in the USA make less than 30K a year which they do its hard enough to pay rent & cars & food bills much less get health insurance & save up for retirement.

Republicans think most people should settle for less.

You don't support any measures to help people become middle class.

It's not up to me or the Republicans to "help" people become middle-class. That's left to the individual.

How can you settle for any less than being on some government program? If you can't support yourself and need your neighbors to do so, then you are the one that hit rock bottom.

Before you make judgements on what Republicans believe, maybe you should try listening to them first. Try Rush Limbaugh sometime. He's constantly telling people to better themselves. He always tells people that government is a hurdle, not a catapult. He always said everybody can accomplish whatever their goals are. I never heard him say people should just settle for less.

In my industry, we need over 30,000 new drivers we can't find. It's gotten so bad that industry is now turning to foreigners to do the job. And let me tell you, you can make a decent living being a truck driver; much more than 30K a year. In fact, some companies will train and get you licensed if you sign a year contract with them.

My father did very well being a bricklayer. He's 87 years old and still getting his pension checks. But you can't find younger people willing to join the trade. The ones that do try can't pass the drug test because smoking pot is more important than securing a career which is in demand right now!

It was the same thing with my former tenants. They were both in their later 20's when they left, and both worked fast food jobs. Why? Because better paying jobs required them to take drug tests. So they opted to keep smoking pot and work lower wage jobs. The problem is a lot of younger people are doing the same. So it's not a surprise that many in our country are making 30K or less a year.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Republicans don't even understand Capitalism much, apparently.

If 100% had PhD degrees the market would still demand burger flippers, toilet scrubbers, ditch diggers, lawn mowers, Walmart greeters.

So its actually the markets fault.

Capitalism creates winners & losers economically.

Natural selection creates winners & losers genetically.

Republicans don't seem understand either concept very well.

Not at all.

Let's say that instead of Obama's stimulus, he decided to give half of all adults in the country a million dollars each. They picked people at random.

So I got lucky and now I have a million dollars. But my toilet starts acting up, so I call my plumber. He's out of business because he got a million dollars too. So I call the next one in the phone book with the same result.

I finally locate a plumber that didn't get a million dollars and is still open for business, He says he can come over and repair my toilet next week, and the minimum charge will be $200.00. What choice do I have but to pay him or fix it myself?

Even though I got lucky and got picked, those who did not benefited from my fortune as well. That's the way capitalism works; that;'s the way supply and demand works. So toilet scrubbers and burger flippers would benefit just like my plumber. Businesses would have to offer more money to get labor.

Capitalism doesn't create winners and losers, people make that choice for themselves. If you want to become a winner, choose the path of a winner. If you want to be a loser, choose the path of a loser. Most people are satisfied with something in between, but that was still their choice.

I don't know you or much about your personal life, but I would be willing to bet that outside of your house, or perhaps an IRA at work, you never risked your money to make more. You live paycheck to paycheck and save what you can. You depend on your job for income instead of yourself. You want to work 40 hours a week and take three or four weeks of vacation every year. And that's fine.

But for those who went one, two, or several steps further, capitalism didn't "make" them do it. They did it on their own to be more successful than you or I.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ We paid for it our entire lives, why the hell would we give it up? Do you walk into the grocer, buy a cart full of groceries, pay for it then walk away without taking them home?

Not the same thing... mire like if a burglar steals your jewelry do you take other stolen merchandise as repayment 15 years later? I sure as Hell don’t.

/-----/ ????