Which group of Christians were responsible?

[presonorek]

Which group of Christians were responsible for the Crusades?

 

[the_human_being]

What difference does it make?

 

[presonorek]

What difference does it make?

Because morons like to pin the Crusades on the modern Christian worldview. Most Christians in the United States are Protestants not Roman Catholics.

 

[the_human_being]

What difference does it make?

Because morons like to pin the Crusades on the modern Christian worldview. Most Christians in the United States are Protestants not Roman Catholics.

True but there's little can be done to change history.

 

[IsaacNewton]

The Christy Stabbies.

 

[Dajjal]

I think it was the Roman Catholics. In the days of the crusades monks who read the Quran must have been incensed. Because it says Jesus was not the Messiah and he was not crucified. That must have outraged devout Christians..

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Muslims were responsible for the Crusades, Christians just kicked their sorry asses back to where they came from

 

[Meriweather]

Which group of Christians were responsible for the Crusades?

I'm of the mind of, "What difference does it make?" People today take bits and pieces of the Crusades and spin them to suit their own preferred agenda. The Crusades were complicated, but as for the original Crusades the only division is Christendom was between the Eastern Church and the Western Church. Both branches of Christians were involved. As far as responsibility....Again, it depends on how and what people wish to study and/or spin.

At the root of these Crusades was an order out of the Muslim world in 1009 to destroy all Christian establishments in Jerusalem. This, instead of destroying the trickle of Western Christian pilgrimages to Jerusalem, started a river. To further complicate this, Western Christians were also in the mood to reunite the Eastern Church with the West. So, the West started out to fight Muslim destruction of Christian sites, and the Eastern Orthodox community favored this until the West started to try to take over Christian sites in the East that the Eastern Church claimed was in their domain....Taking over sites in lands governed by the Greeks turned Eastern nations against the European nations, and made matters infinitely worse between Eastern and Western Christians. Keep in mind the West was also fighting against Muslim invaders in Western nations.

So...who was responsible? Had Christianity remained united, perhaps the Crusades would have only been a small blip in History. Muslims may have hesitated to strike against a united Christian Church. Or having struck, the Church may have been able to stop the fighting between Eastern and Western Christians.

Or, if the Muslim world had stayed out of Europe, the West possibly wouldn't have felt so threatened over events taking place in the East. Also keep in mind that the thinking in those days was Church and State were united, not separate. The Crusades were not simply a religious war, but a war between nations who were aligned with their different religions--Muslim, Eastern Catholic, Western Catholic.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Which group of Christians were responsible for the Crusades?

I'm of the mind of, "What difference does it make?" People today take bits and pieces of the Crusades and spin them to suit their own preferred agenda. The Crusades were complicated, but as for the original Crusades the only division is Christendom was between the Eastern Church and the Western Church. Both branches of Christians were involved. As far as responsibility....Again, it depends on how and what people wish to study and/or spin.

At the root of these Crusades was an order out of the Muslim world in 1009 to destroy all Christian establishments in Jerusalem. This, instead of destroying the trickle of Western Christian pilgrimages to Jerusalem, started a river. To further complicate this, Western Christians were also in the mood to reunite the Eastern Church with the West. So, the West started out to fight Muslim destruction of Christian sites, and the Eastern Orthodox community favored this until the West started to try to take over Christian sites in the East that the Eastern Church claimed was in their domain....Taking over sites in lands governed by the Greeks turned Eastern nations against the European nations, and made matters infinitely worse between Eastern and Western Christians. Keep in mind the West was also fighting against Muslim invaders in Western nations.

So...who was responsible? Had Christianity remained united, perhaps the Crusades would have only been a small blip in History. Muslims may have hesitated to strike against a united Christian Church. Or having struck, the Church may have been able to stop the fighting between Eastern and Western Christians.

Or, if the Muslim world had stayed out of Europe, the West possibly wouldn't have felt so threatened over events taking place in the East. Also keep in mind that the thinking in those days was Church and State were united, not separate. The Crusades were not simply a religious war, but a war between nations who were aligned with their different religions--Muslim, Eastern Catholic, Western Catholic.

As with most things it is complicated as you point out. Add in that after the last crusades the Knights of the Knights Templar were an army without a fight so they started terrorizing the countryside. They were finally declared illegal and disbanded with many of them executed. All of human history is complicated and has more twists than a Murder, She Wrote episode.

 

[TooTall]

Which group of Christians were responsible for the Crusades?

The Muslims.

 

[alang1216]

Which group of Christians were responsible for the Crusades?

All of them.

 

[konradv]

The Byzantines egged the Catholics on with stories of atrocities when the truth was they just wanted some of their land back.

 

[Meriweather]

As with most things it is complicated as you point out. Add in that after the last crusades the Knights of the Knights Templar were an army without a fight so they started terrorizing the countryside. They were finally declared illegal and disbanded with many of them executed. All of human history is complicated and has more twists than a Murder, She Wrote episode.

The Byzantines egged the Catholics on with stories of atrocities when the truth was they just wanted some of their land back.

This is an example of what IsaacNewton was saying. Everyone involved had twists/ulterior motives. Yes, the Byzantines did want some of their land back. Yes, the Western Church wanted the schism with the East dissolved. The East and West wanted their holy sites to remain unmolested. The West wanted the Moors and Islam out of Europe. No doubt Muslims wanted the West out of the East. The unifying cry in Christendom was not, "Reunite the Church!" or "Land back to the Byzantines" or "Stop Muslim Invasion of Europe" but, "Protect the Holy Land." Protecting the Holy Land was something all Christians could get behind, whereas, "Protect our trade routes" or "More land" was not.

 

[Penelope]

Which group of Christians were responsible for the Crusades?

None, why is jew not an option or Muslim.

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapters

 

[TNHarley]

The crusades were about more than muslims. It was also attacks on non believers. Innocent people, they just were not conformed enough.

 

[TNHarley]

Whatever happened to that paper Paul the hermit got from god(fell out of the sky) that said they needed to over take Jerusalem because of the apocalypse?

 

[TNHarley]

Anyone remember all those Jews the Christians slaughtered in Germany? Ironic, no?

 

[Penelope]

Anyone remember all those Jews the Christians slaughtered in Germany? Ironic, no?

When?

 

[Tilly]

Which group of Christians were responsible for the Crusades?

Muslims were responsible.

 

[TNHarley]

Anyone remember all those Jews the Christians slaughtered in Germany? Ironic, no?

When?

Rhineland massacre. I think it was around 1100 or so