Where is this mountain of evidence for evolution?

[alang1216]

So far as I know, no one has ever put forth any alternative explanation to evolution for how we came to be. It's easy to say God did it but no one has ever said how he did it. If you don't know how God works why do you belive you can rule out any mechanism?

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

Whatever. Fellow, you are not going to listen to reason or logic, and are no longer worth having a discussion with.

Ok. Come at me with facts and then I will convert to your belief system but for now I'm content with my own.

There are 130 pages to this thread, many with references to links providing you with ample evidence supporting the theory of evolution. In addition, there are these threads which provide additional support, and references to papers on the origin of life as well:

Origin of life Thread Chemistry of seabed s hot vents could explain emergence of life US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Evolution and The Age Of The Earth US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Have at it. And do us all a favor. Don't come back in less than a day and pretend that you've read everything in all of those pages and the links they contain, and still claim there is no evidence, because that would simply prove to the rest of us that you are willfully ignorant, instead of being truly interested in learning about the subject. You do want us to believe you are actually interested, right?

I read it all. None of it contains facts that support life coming from non life. Until that happens everyone has a right to be skeptical of facts that somehow turn into evidence for a delusional theory.

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

So far as I know, no one has ever put forth any alternative explanation to evolution for how we came to be. It's easy to say God did it but no one has ever said how he did it. If you don't know how God works why do you belive you can rule out any mechanism?

I'm not ruling out evolution. I just don't think it should be viewed as a fact. Not enough support for that obviously...

 

[alang1216]

So far as I know, no one has ever put forth any alternative explanation to evolution for how we came to be. It's easy to say God did it but no one has ever said how he did it. If you don't know how God works why do you belive you can rule out any mechanism?

I'm not ruling out evolution. I just don't think it should be viewed as a fact. Not enough support for that obviously...

In the complete absence of any competing mechanism, what evidence would you accept as "fact"?

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

So far as I know, no one has ever put forth any alternative explanation to evolution for how we came to be. It's easy to say God did it but no one has ever said how he did it. If you don't know how God works why do you belive you can rule out any mechanism?

I'm not ruling out evolution. I just don't think it should be viewed as a fact. Not enough support for that obviously...

In the complete absence of any competing mechanism, what evidence would you accept as "fact"?

New functional organs developing in animals that there is evidence of not existing before. It needs to be something complete unique and new that was not there before. Not minor changes to existing organs that have been there forever...
For life being created from non life... There needs to be a repeatable experiment. Reactions aren't random so if they can find the conditions that cause life to suddenly be formed then that would make me a believer.

 

[alang1216]

So far as I know, no one has ever put forth any alternative explanation to evolution for how we came to be. It's easy to say God did it but no one has ever said how he did it. If you don't know how God works why do you belive you can rule out any mechanism?

I'm not ruling out evolution. I just don't think it should be viewed as a fact. Not enough support for that obviously...

In the complete absence of any competing mechanism, what evidence would you accept as "fact"?

New functional organs developing in animals that there is evidence of not existing before. It needs to be something complete unique and new that was not there before. Not minor changes to existing organs that have been there forever...
For life being created from non life... There needs to be a repeatable experiment. Reactions aren't random so if they can find the conditions that cause life to suddenly be formed then that would make me a believer.

Interesting choices. The first one, far from being evidence of evolution would be just the opposite. Evolution says everything comes from something that already exists. The second one is not even about evolution. Evolution comes into play only when life already exists.

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

So far as I know, no one has ever put forth any alternative explanation to evolution for how we came to be. It's easy to say God did it but no one has ever said how he did it. If you don't know how God works why do you belive you can rule out any mechanism?

I'm not ruling out evolution. I just don't think it should be viewed as a fact. Not enough support for that obviously...

In the complete absence of any competing mechanism, what evidence would you accept as "fact"?

New functional organs developing in animals that there is evidence of not existing before. It needs to be something complete unique and new that was not there before. Not minor changes to existing organs that have been there forever...
For life being created from non life... There needs to be a repeatable experiment. Reactions aren't random so if they can find the conditions that cause life to suddenly be formed then that would make me a believer.

Interesting choices. The first one, far from being evidence of evolution would be just the opposite. Evolution says everything comes from something that already exists. The second one is not even about evolution. Evolution comes into play only when life already exists.

Ok. I guess we agree then. A being had to have created the main basis for everything that exists according to your version of evolution.... I've never argued against the kind of evolution your post insinuates.

 

[orogenicman]

I didn't notice you advance an argument.

The fact they claim to understand an infinite universe ..just some joe with a Phd and they think they understand the nature and creation of the universe enough to claim that life and all of creation was accidental and there is no Intelligence or purpose to it

really ? so evolutions believe in an intelligent universe ?

Whether or not there is a god or a purpose to the universe is irrelevant to the fact of evolution. However that may be, evolution is not an accident: It is not random.

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

I didn't notice you advance an argument.

The fact they claim to understand an infinite universe ..just some joe with a Phd and they think they understand the nature and creation of the universe enough to claim that life and all of creation was accidental and there is no Intelligence or purpose to it

really ? so evolutions believe in an intelligent universe ?

Whether or not there is a god or a purpose to the universe is irrelevant to the fact of evolution. However that may be, evolution is not an accident: It is not random.

That's why I believe the design had to come from somewhere beyond our scope. Life is too complex and calculated to simply come from randomness. The designs/information had to have come from somewhere.

 

[alang1216]

I'm glad we agree, just not sure what we agree on. I agree evolution is a fact. I agree life started from non-living matter. I agree that we don't know the mechanism. We likely don't agree that there was no supernatural influence.

I can envision many simple mechanisms that could create life so I don't see the need for a supernatural power.

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

I'm glad we agree, just not sure what we agree on. I agree evolution is a fact. I agree life started from non-living matter. I agree that we don't know the mechanism. We likely don't agree that there was no supernatural influence.

I can envision many simple mechanisms that could create life so I don't see the need for a supernatural power.

Envisioning simple mechanisms that could create all the life we see today is not something I agree with. I agree with the quote you said below.

So far as I know, no one has ever put forth any alternative explanation to evolution for how we came to be. It's easy to say God did it but no one has ever said how he did it. If you don't know how God works why do you belive you can rule out any mechanism?

I'm not ruling out evolution. I just don't think it should be viewed as a fact. Not enough support for that obviously...

In the complete absence of any competing mechanism, what evidence would you accept as "fact"?

New functional organs developing in animals that there is evidence of not existing before. It needs to be something complete unique and new that was not there before. Not minor changes to existing organs that have been there forever...
For life being created from non life... There needs to be a repeatable experiment. Reactions aren't random so if they can find the conditions that cause life to suddenly be formed then that would make me a believer.

Interesting choices. The first one, far from being evidence of evolution would be just the opposite. Evolution says everything comes from something that already exists. The second one is not even about evolution. Evolution comes into play only when life already exists.

 

[alang1216]

So you would prefer a supernatural mechanism which you can't understand to a natural mechanism that you can? Your choice of course but I have to disagree.

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

So you would prefer a supernatural mechanism which you can't understand to a natural mechanism that you can? Your choice of course but I have to disagree.

Show me a natural mechanism that we can understand. Currently it is as valid as science fiction. No proof life ever popped up here on earth from non life other than the fact that there is all this life here. That's as far as the rational goes for that theory. I don't know how you can understand something that has never been observed...

 

[alang1216]

We can observe and understand molecular self-replication. Simple and, if the molecules became subject to evolution, life. Proof? Not a chance. No proof for any alternatives of course.

 

[eots]

I'm glad we agree, just not sure what we agree on. I agree evolution is a fact. I agree life started from non-living matter. I agree that we don't know the mechanism. We likely don't agree that there was no supernatural influence.

I can envision many simple mechanisms that could create life so I don't see the need for a supernatural power.

then think a little deeper

 

[Hollie]

So you would prefer a supernatural mechanism which you can't understand to a natural mechanism that you can? Your choice of course but I have to disagree.

Show me a natural mechanism that we can understand. Currently it is as valid as science fiction. No proof life ever popped up here on earth from non life other than the fact that there is all this life here. That's as far as the rational goes for that theory. I don't know how you can understand something that has never been observed...

Natural methods are the only methods that are understandable. What supernatural methods do you have evidence for?

You've heard of gravity, right? The affects of gravity are understandable but yet gravity itself is not observable.

 

[Hollie]

So far as I know, no one has ever put forth any alternative explanation to evolution for how we came to be. It's easy to say God did it but no one has ever said how he did it. If you don't know how God works why do you belive you can rule out any mechanism?

I'm not ruling out evolution. I just don't think it should be viewed as a fact. Not enough support for that obviously...

Evolution is a fact. There's plenty of evidence for that, obviously.

I'm guessing you use denial as a way to placate you need to believe in the religious explanations? What evidence do you have for Amun Ra as the creator of all?

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

We can observe and understand molecular self-replication. Simple and, if the molecules became subject to evolution, life. Proof? Not a chance. No proof for any alternatives of course.

I know there is no proof of any way that life could have came about.

So you would prefer a supernatural mechanism which you can't understand to a natural mechanism that you can? Your choice of course but I have to disagree.

Show me a natural mechanism that we can understand. Currently it is as valid as science fiction. No proof life ever popped up here on earth from non life other than the fact that there is all this life here. That's as far as the rational goes for that theory. I don't know how you can understand something that has never been observed...

Natural methods are the only methods that are understandable. What supernatural methods do you have evidence for?

You've heard of gravity, right? The affects of gravity are understandable but yet gravity itself is not observable.

Gravity is observable and testable. Believing in a theory as a fact that has passed no tests and is not observable is ignorant.

 

[Hollie]

Whatever. Fellow, you are not going to listen to reason or logic, and are no longer worth having a discussion with.

Ok. Come at me with facts and then I will convert to your belief system but for now I'm content with my own.

There are 130 pages to this thread, many with references to links providing you with ample evidence supporting the theory of evolution. In addition, there are these threads which provide additional support, and references to papers on the origin of life as well:

Origin of life Thread Chemistry of seabed s hot vents could explain emergence of life US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Evolution and The Age Of The Earth US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Have at it. And do us all a favor. Don't come back in less than a day and pretend that you've read everything in all of those pages and the links they contain, and still claim there is no evidence, because that would simply prove to the rest of us that you are willfully ignorant, instead of being truly interested in learning about the subject. You do want us to believe you are actually interested, right?

I read it all. None of it contains facts that support life coming from non life. Until that happens everyone has a right to be skeptical of facts that somehow turn into evidence for a delusional theory.

Are you suggesting that most of science is a grand conspiracy?

 

[rdean]

Republicans and evolution. No worry. Clearly, they are being "left behind".