Where is this mountain of evidence for evolution?

[orogenicman]

So you admit that there is no factual evidence. I accept your surrender.

By "no factual evidence," you mean "overwhelming and irrefutable evidence," then?

Evolution is a fact - there is no debate.

its all assumption..it could all be evidence of a common creator using the same source material

Really? What are the assumptions that you object to? Be specific, and then detail why they are wrong.

 

[guno]

I believe there is a mountain of evidence for natural selection, and none for evolution.
People have a tendency to confuse the two.
My own belief is that we are a geneticly engineered species, not evolved.

It's like looking at a skyscraper and saying, where did that come from? It's obvious that someone designed and built it, yet people have no problem believing that all of the complexity we see in nature just happened by chance. Some people will believe anything.

Even though it has been expalined to you over and over you will cling to your fairy tails , It is very evident you have no education in the basic sciences

 

[Uncensored2008]

I believe there is a mountain of evidence for natural selection, and none for evolution.
People have a tendency to confuse the two.
My own belief is that we are a geneticly engineered species, not evolved.

It's like looking at a skyscraper and saying, where did that come from? It's obvious that someone designed and built it, yet people have no problem believing that all of the complexity we see in nature just happened by chance. Some people will believe anything.

Even though it has been expalined to you over and over you will cling to your fairy tails , It is very evident you have no education in the basic sciences

Nor do you, Ahmed.

 

[orogenicman]

I believe there is a mountain of evidence for natural selection, and none for evolution.
People have a tendency to confuse the two.
My own belief is that we are a geneticly engineered species, not evolved.

It's like looking at a skyscraper and saying, where did that come from? It's obvious that someone designed and built it, yet people have no problem believing that all of the complexity we see in nature just happened by chance. Some people will believe anything.

 

[guno]

No, he is not wrong. And neither was Dr. Kent Hovind wrong which was proven when he defeated the evolution promoters at university after university. Perhaps that is why the Govt. trumped up charges against him and put him in prison for the past 99 months and counting - for depositing 9600 dollars into his own bank account. Utterly ridiculous. You people cannot debate the facts and win so you put those who present them best behind bars. What weakness!

Kent E. Hovind (born January 15, 1953) is an American Young Earth creationist and conspiracy theorist. Hovind has spoken on creation science, aiming to convince listeners to reject scientific theories of evolution, geophysics, and cosmology in favor of his interpretation of the Genesis creation narrative from the Bible. Hovind's views are contradicted by scientific evidence and some of his ideas have also been criticized by fellow Young Earth creationist organizations such as Answers in Genesis.

Hovind established Creation Science Evangelism in 1989, and frequently spoke on Young Earth creationism in private schools, churches, debates, and on radio and television broadcasts. Since January 2007, Hovind has been serving a ten-year prison sentence after being convicted in federal court of 58 counts, including 12 tax offenses, one count of obstructing federal agents, and 45 counts of structuring cash transactions. In a separate federal court case in early 2015, Hovind was found guilty of contempt of court.

Education

Patriot University
In 1971, he graduated from East Peoria Community High School in East Peoria, Illinois, and later received 4 degrees, all from unaccredited institutions. From 1972 to 1974, Hovind attended the Midwestern Baptist College and received a Bachelor of Religious Education.[1] In 1988 and 1991 respectively, Hovind received a master's degree and doctorate in Christian Education through correspondence from the Patriot University in Colorado Springs, Colorado.[notes 1][7] Having a website called "Dr. Dino" has provoked some academics to look closely at how Hovind presents his education and credentials. Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy, expert on the history of creationism and activist in the creation-evolution controversy, wrote that Hovind's lack of academic training makes it impossible to engage him on a professional level.[8]

Patriot Bible University is a diploma mill, having unreasonably low graduation requirements, lack of sufficient faculty or educational standards, and a suspicious tuition scheme.[9][10] The school's current policies allow students to attain bachelor's degrees, master's degrees, and Doctor of Ministry degrees in months, rather than years, for as little as $37 per credit.[11][12]

Karen Bartelt, an organic chemistry professor who debated Hovind,[8] stated that his doctoral dissertation is evidence of the poor requirements at Patriot and that Hovind lacks knowledge of basic science. She noted that Hovind's dissertation is incomplete,[notes 2] of low academic quality, with poor writing, poor spelling, and poor grammatical style. Bartelt asserts that pages are repeated, references are absent, and it is not an original work with original ideas.[13]

In 2010, Patriot responded to Wikileaks' claim to have revealed Hovind's dissertation, writing that the Wikileaks file was not the "finished" product, but that they would not release the full dissertation,[14] which is unusual among academic institutions. As a general rule, doctoral dissertations are published by the associated university and made available to the public, so that other students conducting research may reference them.[13]

Hovid is a science illiterate and clown

A Review of Kent Hovind's Thesis by Karen Bartelt, Ph.D.

The Dissertation Kent Hovind Doesn t Want You to Read

 

[guno]

I believe there is a mountain of evidence for natural selection, and none for evolution.
People have a tendency to confuse the two.
My own belief is that we are a geneticly engineered species, not evolved.

It's like looking at a skyscraper and saying, where did that come from? It's obvious that someone designed and built it, yet people have no problem believing that all of the complexity we see in nature just happened by chance. Some people will believe anything.

Even though it has been expalined to you over and over you will cling to your fairy tails , It is very evident you have no education in the basic sciences

Nor do you, Ahmed.

I only have a masters in mechanical engineering with lots of physics background. And you? Waffle house cook?

 

[orogenicman]

Gentlemen, here is the problem as I see it. The OP wants to know where the mountain of evidence for evolution is. For you people to deny what is without a doubt a literal mountain of evidence supporting evolution compiled by hundreds of thousands of people over the past 150 years is simply willful ignorance. To continue to insist that it doesn't exist when presented to you is nothing more than a pretense to claim some sort of moral victory for your wounded pride. It is immature, at best, and an insult to all those who have dedicated their lives to advance our understanding of the world through the scientific method. If you truly want to know what that evidence is, what it tells us, and what you can learn from it, I suggest that instead of waving your dicks in the air and declaring it "not evidence", you actually analyze that data with your brains and then tell us IN DETAIL what your objection is, and why. Simply saying "it is not "proof" is nothing more than a cop out. You know it. I know it, and so does everyone else here. So please stop this charade and either decide that you want to have a serious discussion or get out of the fucking kitchen.

Bump.

<cricket chirping>

 

[Uncensored2008]

I only have a masters in mechanical engineering with lots of physics background. And you? Waffle house cook?

MBA with a focus on economics.

What school of physics do they teach at the University of Tehran? String theory and brane worlds are out - might offend Allah....

Perhaps dancing djin explain the weak attractive force of gravity?

 

[eots]

Thanks for confirming what I said about the lack of substance in your argument.

Really, because I am published in the Journal of Invertebrate Paleontology, and have found many of those fossils you claim lack substance:

CRINOIDS FROM THE MULDRAUGH MEMBER OF THE BORDEN FORMATION IN NORTH-CENTRAL KENTUCKY ECHINODERMATA LOWER MISSISSIPPIAN

And your scientific training, expertize and experience is what, exactly?

You've proven nothing.

I've proven that you have no expertize whatsoever on the subject.

expertize ?..you mean expertise...right ?
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So, your conspiracy theory is that the entirety of the relevant, global science community that accepts biological evolution as the mechanism for the diversity of life on the planet is a worldwide conspiracy. Is that about right?

You've proven nothing.

I've proven that you have no expertize whatsoever on the subject.

expertize ?..you mean expertise...right ?
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So, your conspiracy theory is that the entirety of the relevant, global science community that accepts biological evolution as the mechanism for the diversity of life on the planet is a worldwide conspiracy. Is that about right?

No I think it is more like Scientific hubris

Don't be shy. You have a reputation as among the more wacky of the the conspiracy theorists.

Do you hear that sound? Its the black helicopters circling around.

ya wacky like fox...

 

[sealybobo]

why ?..the universe ..god could express it self trough principles that are real , knowable, measurable at least to the degree a finite human mind is capable of

What is not knowable or measurable is magical.

Until science figures it out. Its called god of the gaps. Look into it.

 

[orogenicman]

I only have a masters in mechanical engineering with lots of physics background. And you? Waffle house cook?

MBA with a focus on economics.

Right. So you have little, if any science education, and no field experience. And that qualifies you to do what? Manage an Arbys?

What school of physics do they teach at the University of Tehran? String theory and brane worlds are out - might offend Allah....

Perhaps dancing djin explain the weak attractive force of gravity?

They actually do teach physics there. They don't at Liberty University. Is that where you graduated?
Now, can we get back on topic?

 

[sealybobo]

I only have a masters in mechanical engineering with lots of physics background. And you? Waffle house cook?

MBA with a focus on economics.

What school of physics do they teach at the University of Tehran? String theory and brane worlds are out - might offend Allah....

Perhaps dancing djin explain the weak attractive force of gravity?

Actually did you see the new cosmos? Neil explains how a great man lived back then and the middle east gave us algebra and algorithms and the number zero. He preached the scientific method which includes questioning the stories of the ancients. Of course most of that was suppressed.

 

[orogenicman]

Gentlemen, here is the problem as I see it. The OP wants to know where the mountain of evidence for evolution is. For you people to deny what is without a doubt a literal mountain of evidence supporting evolution compiled by hundreds of thousands of people over the past 150 years is simply willful ignorance. To continue to insist that it doesn't exist when presented to you is nothing more than a pretense to claim some sort of moral victory for your wounded pride. It is immature, at best, and an insult to all those who have dedicated their lives to advance our understanding of the world through the scientific method. If you truly want to know what that evidence is, what it tells us, and what you can learn from it, I suggest that instead of waving your dicks in the air and declaring it "not evidence", you actually analyze that data with your brains and then tell us IN DETAIL what your objection is, and why. Simply saying "it is not "proof" is nothing more than a cop out. You know it. I know it, and so does everyone else here. So please stop this charade and either decide that you want to have a serious discussion or get out of the fucking kitchen.

Bump.

<cricket chirping>

 

[sealybobo]

I only have a masters in mechanical engineering with lots of physics background. And you? Waffle house cook?

MBA with a focus on economics.

What school of physics do they teach at the University of Tehran? String theory and brane worlds are out - might offend Allah....

Perhaps dancing djin explain the weak attractive force of gravity?

Unless its at a great school bfd. University of phoenix?

People with masters are full of themselves. Of course they believe a god loves them and cares and has heaven waiting.

 

[sealybobo]

Has anyone else noticed that the thread query "where is the mountain of evidence for evolution" is nothing more than a burqa covering the goal of the fundamentalist to denigrate science?

No but I did notice however that no definitive evidence was offered and that people like dawkins and stephen hawking went as far as to suggest alien intervention

They said why rule out aliens if your gonna believe it must have been a god. Not that they believe in aliens.

You know what? The only reason I haven't ignored you yet, is because your stupidity makes me laugh out loud. It really does. Keep up the good work.

I can understand you're angry and frustrated. The question regarding evidence for evolution is demonstrated overwhelmingly by the science community. You deny it because biological history directly contradicts your YEC'ist fantasies and literal interpretation of the various bibles. It's unfortunate for you because you are the stereotype of the raving, hair-on-fire, out of control thumper, the Taliban who is marginalized by a society that keeps you on a choke collar.

And its not like there is only one bit of evidence for evolution. Its a collection of a lot of reasons why we know evolution is real. You see how that one fool wanted to argue about I can't even remember what it was now but he just threw it at me like it was suppose to prove something. Something about a micro organism being resistant to antibiotics? And that means what? So you can'never give them enough evidence because they will argue anything science says. One at a time. Even if science has 1000 reasons or a million.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Actually did you see the new cosmos? Neil explains how a great man lived back then and the middle east gave us algebra and algorithms and the number zero. He preached the scientific method which includes questioning the stories of the ancients. Of course most of that was suppressed.

I was very disappointed in it. Didn't like the Beavis and Butthead cartoons, and Tyson was preaching. Reminded me of the old Davey and Golieth cartoons. Why present facts when you can shovel dogma with a back hoe?

At any rate, I did like the original series with Sagan, which is the ONLY reason I sat through the Tyson remake.

Oh and Algebra came from China. The Arabs simply had the luck of sitting on the trade route so they absorbed rather than developed it. To his credit, Tyson DID point this out (in one of the stupid Beavis and Butthead cartoons.)

 

[Uncensored2008]

I only have a masters in mechanical engineering with lots of physics background. And you? Waffle house cook?

MBA with a focus on economics.

Right. So you have little, if any science education, and no field experience. And that qualifies you to do what? Manage an Arbys?

What school of physics do they teach at the University of Tehran? String theory and brane worlds are out - might offend Allah....

Perhaps dancing djin explain the weak attractive force of gravity?

They actually do teach physics there. They don't at Liberty University. Is that where you graduated?
Now, can we get back on topic?

Actually I work in the field of IT - a solid science. My undergrad is in CIS. I'm working on my PhD. as we speak. If Guano has an education, he has never demonstrated it.

 

[orogenicman]

Has anyone else noticed that the thread query "where is the mountain of evidence for evolution" is nothing more than a burqa covering the goal of the fundamentalist to denigrate science?

No but I did notice however that no definitive evidence was offered and that people like dawkins and stephen hawking went as far as to suggest alien intervention

They said why rule out aliens if your gonna believe it must have been a god. Not that they believe in aliens.

You know what? The only reason I haven't ignored you yet, is because your stupidity makes me laugh out loud. It really does. Keep up the good work.

I can understand you're angry and frustrated. The question regarding evidence for evolution is demonstrated overwhelmingly by the science community. You deny it because biological history directly contradicts your YEC'ist fantasies and literal interpretation of the various bibles. It's unfortunate for you because you are the stereotype of the raving, hair-on-fire, out of control thumper, the Taliban who is marginalized by a society that keeps you on a choke collar.

And its not like there is only one bit of evidence for evolution. Its a collection of a lot of reasons why we know evolution is real. You see how that one fool wanted to argue about I can't even remember what it was now but he just threw it at me like it was suppose to prove something. Something about a micro organism being resistant to antibiotics? And that means what? So you can'never give them enough evidence because they will argue anything science says. One at a time. Even if science has 1000 reasons or a million.

They don't even do that. Their only response, like a bunch of lemmings, is "that's not evidence". They don't even argue the evidence, they simply declare it invalid. And that is because they know if they did try to make a reasonable argument, they would show everybody that they really don't know what they are talking about. And we can't have that, can we? It's pathetic, really.

 

[orogenicman]

Actually did you see the new cosmos? Neil explains how a great man lived back then and the middle east gave us algebra and algorithms and the number zero. He preached the scientific method which includes questioning the stories of the ancients. Of course most of that was suppressed.

I was very disappointed in it. Didn't like the Beavis and Butthead cartoons, and Tyson was preaching. Reminded me of the old Davey and Golieth cartoons. Why present facts when you can shovel dogma with a back hoe?

At any rate, I did like the original series with Sagan, which is the ONLY reason I sat through the Tyson remake.

Oh and Algebra came from China. The Arabs simply had the luck of sitting on the trade route so they absorbed rather than developed it. To his credit, Tyson DID point this out (in one of the stupid Beavis and Butthead cartoons.)

Ahem:

History of algebra - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

As for Carl Sagan, if you liked his Cosmos, you're going to love this:

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Ahem:

History of algebra - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You DO grasp that your link confirms what I (and Tyson) said, right?

As for Carl Sagan, if you liked his Cosmos, you're going to love this:

I block videos so can't watch it. But you DO remember that I stated that evolution is an irrefutable fact, right?

One of my top ten all time favorite books is "Demon Haunted World." Sagan had a very enjoyable style.

Another of my top ten is "Warped Passages" by Dr. Lisa Randall.