Zone1 Where does it say in the Bible only adults can be baptized?

[hobelim]

I worship God and his son and the Holy Ghost in that order.

You may not realize this but that is a violation of Divine law. It's God alone who you must worship

 

[Ace Nova]

That statement means that what Jesus discovered buried and hidden in the figurative language written in the law and the prophets he buried it again, in the same way, the only difference being the preexisting metaphor for divine instruction, bread from heaven, became the flesh (teaching) of Jesus, a new metaphor for a new revelation that came into the world through Jesus Christ, given for the life of the all the world, life being the promise of God for fulfilling the laws demands.

Specifically that the subjects of the divine commands are not ecesarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used as inferred by his command to 'eat my flesh' a direct reference to kosher law where the flesh of one creature or another is either clean or unclean. This is real meat, the fruit of the mind of Jesus Christ, the tree of life, pleasing to the eye and good to eat.

If you look and look and keep on looking you will find it. If you do not look you will never find it.

This body of teaching which is in ACTUALITY "the Body of Christ" is what was lost to time, buried under a mountain of blasphemy upon which the Roman Church sits like a dragon.

Even so they could not conceal that which went over their heads, that which superstitious duplicitous and wicked people apparently cannot grasp even when its clearly revealed to them.

The light (Divine law) came into the world but the darkness has never mastered it. Not to worry!

I have.

Relax

 

[hobelim]

The terms of the N.T. of Jesus Christ did not go into effect until Jesus declared, "......it is finished". (John 19:30) What was finished?

The word used was "telestai", a legal accounting term that means "debt paid in full". What debt was paid? His own. To fulfill the Law is to comply with its demands. Jesus did not end the Law, he even said it will always be in effect and in full force; only the wrong way to follow the Law became obsolete, what Jesus called "the traditions of men", what later became known as the Talmud.

There was no remedy for Sin until the New Testament of Jesus went into effect..

Thats silly. The remedy for sin is not sinning. DUH. Thats the only way to avoid the death for defying the Law. The only right WAY to eternal life promised for obeying the Law had been lost to time since the death of Moses who said "For I know after my death you will turn aside from THE WAY I taught you to follow the Law and utterly corrupt yourselves with the work of your hands"

What work of their hands led to corruption? The Temple, as if God was homeless and needed a dwelling place. This is the basis of 666 identifying Solomon who built the Temple and got 666 talents of gold (25 tons) yearly, not including taxes tolls and tributes bled from the people daily.

The same corrupt system the Roman Church, the scarlet beast, emulates to this day. Disgusting.

"For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin." -- Heb. 10:4 "......for then He (the Christ) has appeared once for all time at the end of the ages (the last days, the final covenant between man and God -- Acts 2)......... to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself."

Exactly. Jesus saying "eat my flesh" was a zip file of sorts, encapsulating his teaching that the words used in the law are figurative meaning that the subject of Kosher Law was not food but teaching, the animals described, whether clean or unclean, represent human archetypes. Simple

The subject of the refrain to not eat the flesh of swine that do not ruminate is to avoid the teaching of people who 'just believe' without ruminating about what they are putting in their mind. Just believing without the foundation of understanding defiles and contaminates the mind, the very seat of your conscious existence, your soul, causing "the death", a curse, madness. .

If you do not eat his flesh, receive his teaching, and drink his blood, do it, you cannot have the life promised for fulfilling the Law in you. Life is in the blood, in the doing, so do it and you shall live.

"To commit sin is to break Gods Law. Sin, in fact, is lawlessness. Christ appeared, as you know, to do away with sin, and there is no sin in him. No man therefore, who dwells in him is a sinner; the sinner does not see him and does not know him.

My children, do not be misled; it is the man who does what is right is righteous, as God is righteous; the man who sins is a child of the devil, for the devil has been a sinner from the first; and the Son of God appeared for the very purpose of undoing the devils work.

A child of God does not commit sin, because the Divine seed remains in him, he cannot be a sinner, because he is Gods child. That is the distinction between the children of God and the children of the devil: no one who does not do what is right is Gods child, nor is anyone who does not love his brother." 1 John 3:4-10

 

[ding]

Relax

He can't. He's on a mission.

 

[ding]

Fact: as presented in scripture. During Jesus lifetime on earth..........everyone was governed by the LAW (of Moses). Jesus was born under the Law and lived by every precept thereof. (John 3:17) "Born of a woman, born under the law....." Jesus was born to redeem all those who lived and died righteously under the LAW and the Prophets (Gal. 4:4-5)

The terms of the N.T. of Jesus Christ did not go into effect until Jesus declared, "......it is finished". (John 19:30) What was finished? All that the Father had commissioned the Christ to do (John 17:4) The Law was fulfilled in its entirety through the sacrificial death of the LAMB OF GOD, Jesus Christ. The thief on the cross was forgiven for his sins by God incarnate........Jesus Christ. There is not one example of anyone being saved after the physical death of Jesus Christ "without the fulfillment of being Baptized in water......." Baptism represents the symbolic death of the old man of sin and the resurrection of a new man from the symbolic watery grave........There is no salvation possible void of water baptism for the forgiveness of sin. Its a WORKED based upon FAITH. Faith without works is dead (James 2:14-26)

"The Law and the prophets were proclaimed until John (the Baptist); since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God (church that Jesus purchased with His blood -- Matt. 16) has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way in." -- Luke 16:16



There was no remedy for Sin until the New Testament of Jesus went into effect........the only recourse for salvation was a direct pardon by the Law Giver Himself, God. Those that lived and died under the LAW (of Moses) had their Sin carried forward one season at a time through the process dictated by the Royal Priesthood from the tribe of Levi, (Lev. 4) this was accomplished through Burt offerings at the alter.

"For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin." -- Heb. 10:4 "......for then He (the Christ) has appeared once for all time at the end of the ages (the last days, the final covenant between man and God -- Acts 2)......... to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself." -- Heb. 9:26

Just so you know, Hobelim is a subversive.

 

[ding]

You don't know anything about... ...me.

Oh, I know a great deal about you.

 

[BreezeWood]

You may not realize this but that is a violation of Divine law. It's God alone who you must worship

jesus, the 1st century events liberation theology, self determination were reflective of the heavenly religion that clearly states all in the heavens are equal ...

if not the story of a&e their request and journey would never have been set as a heavenly blessing.

 

[hobelim]

jesus, the 1st century events liberation theology, self determination were reflective of the heavenly religion that clearly states all in the heavens are equal

Maybe, in the same way all cars are cars but some are jalopies and some are luxury vehicles.

Thats what Jesus meant by saying, "in my Fathers house (dynasty) there are many mansions", there are many higher forms of life, but I am sure there are also lesser forms of life, all equal only in that they are all within the kingdom of God. Damn, even the talking serpent, the lowest of all lowlifes was in Eden, but certainly not equal to a "living being" much less God who is the highest

 

[BreezeWood]

in that they are all within the kingdom (heavens) ...

by admission to the heavens they are all equal - triumphant over evil - they became spiritually pure ... to worship would be senseless and will never occur in the heavens.

 

[Clyde 154]

The word used was "telestai", a legal accounting term that means "debt paid in full". What debt was paid? His own. To fulfill the Law is to comply with its demands. Jesus did not end the Law, he even said it will always be in effect and in full force; only the wrong way to follow the Law became obsolete, what Jesus called "the traditions of men", what later became known as the Talmud.


Thats silly. The remedy for sin is not sinning. DUH. Thats the only way to avoid the death for defying the Law. The only right WAY to eternal life promised for obeying the Law had been lost to time since the death of Moses who said "For I know after my death you will turn aside from THE WAY I taught you to follow the Law and utterly corrupt yourselves with the work of your hands"

What work of their hands led to corruption? The Temple, as if God was homeless and needed a dwelling place. This is the basis of 666 identifying Solomon who built the Temple and got 666 talents of gold (25 tons) yearly, not including taxes tolls and tributes bled from the people daily.

The same corrupt system the Roman Church, the scarlet beast, emulates to this day. Disgusting.


Exactly. Jesus saying "eat my flesh" was a zip file of sorts, encapsulating his teaching that the words used in the law are figurative meaning that the subject of Kosher Law was not food but teaching, the animals described, whether clean or unclean, represent human archetypes. Simple

The subject of the refrain to not eat the flesh of swine that do not ruminate is to avoid the teaching of people who 'just believe' without ruminating about what they are putting in their mind. Just believing without the foundation of understanding defiles and contaminates the mind, the very seat of your conscious existence, your soul, causing "the death", a curse, madness. .

If you do not eat his flesh, receive his teaching, and drink his blood, do it, you cannot have the life promised for fulfilling the Law in you. Life is in the blood, in the doing, so do it and you shall live.

"To commit sin is to break Gods Law. Sin, in fact, is lawlessness. Christ appeared, as you know, to do away with sin, and there is no sin in him. No man therefore, who dwells in him is a sinner; the sinner does not see him and does not know him.

My children, do not be misled; it is the man who does what is right is righteous, as God is righteous; the man who sins is a child of the devil, for the devil has been a sinner from the first; and the Son of God appeared for the very purpose of undoing the devils work.

A child of God does not commit sin, because the Divine seed remains in him, he cannot be a sinner, because he is Gods child. That is the distinction between the children of God and the children of the devil: no one who does not do what is right is Gods child, nor is anyone who does not love his brother." 1 John 3:4-10

The "remedy" for sin is do not sin? Really? There is only one remedy for Sin, the sacrificial blood of the Lamb of God. There is no one worthy, no one without sin.....save ONE, Christ the Lord (God). -- 2 Chronicles 6:36-39, Romans 3:9-18. Declared as truth in both the Law and the Prophets and the New Testament of Christ Jesus.

What? Are you suggesting that you can't sin after becoming a citizen in the Kingdom of God (aka the church that Christ purchased -- Matt.16)?

"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US.........." -- 1 John 1:8-10

What of those who died under the law, while living a righteous life when there was no remedy for sin? The Sacrificial Blood of Christ flows backward as well as forward, its ETERNAL, unlimited by time itself.


Read comprehend. After the Christ died on the cross........"IN SPIRIT" He went to Hades (the resting place of the dead awaiting judgment) to preach to the souls of the deceased. The souls of the righteous go to the comfortable section of Hades to rest in the bosom of father Abraham, awaiting the final judgment (Luke 16:22). Called "paradise" by Jesus Himself (Luke 23:43), as He informed the thief on the cross after forgiving his sin, ".....today you will be with Me in Paradise." While Jesus' body was in the grave for 3 days' His spirit went to Hades to preach to the souls in Hades. (1 Peter 3:18-22). The Blood of Bulls and Goats was no remedy for Sin...........the Blood of Christ made those temporary pardons for sin..........ETERNAL. (Heb. 9:11-14)

 

[Ace Nova]

Maybe, in the same way all cars are cars but some are jalopies and some are luxury vehicles.

La differenza tra una Ferrari e una Fiat?

Forse. Il bello è che la Ferrari è di proprietà della Fiat.

L'italiano è una lingua bellissima. Puoi dirlo senza usare parolacce.

Ma se a volte devi usare parolacce, usale per esprimere un punto, non per maledire le persone che non hanno idea di cosa stai dicendo.


My 2 Cents.

 

[forkintheroad7]

The "remedy" for sin is do not sin? Really? There is only one remedy for Sin, the sacrificial blood of the Lamb of God. There is no one worthy, no one without sin.....save ONE, Christ the Lord (God). -- 2 Chronicles 6:36-39, Romans 3:9-18. Declared as truth in both the Law and the Prophets and the New Testament of Christ Jesus.

What? Are you suggesting that you can't sin after becoming a citizen in the Kingdom of God (aka the church that Christ purchased -- Matt.16)?

"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US.........." -- 1 John 1:8-10

What of those who died under the law, while living a righteous life when there was no remedy for sin? The Sacrificial Blood of Christ flows backward as well as forward, its ETERNAL, unlimited by time itself.


Read comprehend. After the Christ died on the cross........"IN SPIRIT" He went to Hades (the resting place of the dead awaiting judgment) to preach to the souls of the deceased. The souls of the righteous go to the comfortable section of Hades to rest in the bosom of father Abraham, awaiting the final judgment (Luke 16:22). Called "paradise" by Jesus Himself (Luke 23:43), as He informed the thief on the cross after forgiving his sin, ".....today you will be with Me in Paradise." While Jesus' body was in the grave for 3 days' His spirit went to Hades to preach to the souls in Hades. (1 Peter 3:18-22). The Blood of Bulls and Goats was no remedy for Sin...........the Blood of Christ made those temporary pardons for sin..........ETERNAL. (Heb. 9:11-14)

As a TRUE Catholic, I cannot "nihil obstat" this post.. (give it my rubber stamp, if you will), although I didn't read the entire last paragraph. You see, I just don't like HERESY. I'm not saying your entire post is heresy, and maybe it's just all a matter or wording.. haven't given it that much thought and also, I am not a (valid) pope. Neither is francis, but that's a topic for another day.

What I know is that human beings are FAR more fallen than they ever care to admit (even to themselves). And so it is no wonder that, as Jesus said, "Few find the Narrow Way to Heaven."

 

[Ace Nova]

As a TRUE Catholic, I cannot "nihil obstat" this post.. (give it my rubber stamp, if you will), although I didn't read the entire last paragraph. You see, I just don't like HERESY. I'm not saying your entire post is heresy, and maybe it's just all a matter or wording.. haven't given it that much thought and also, I am not a (valid) pope. Neither is francis, but that's a topic for another day.

What I know is that human beings are FAR more fallen than they ever care to admit (even to themselves). And so it is no wonder that, as Jesus said, "Few find the Narrow Way to Heaven."

True Catholic?

You call what others say as heresy and in the same paragraph state that The Pope is not a "Valid Pope"?

Even believing what you believe (I'll leave that between God and yourself) - why would you want to cause division among what you proclaim to be "True"?

 

[forkintheroad7]

True Catholic?

You call what others say as heresy and in the same paragraph state that The Pope is not a "Valid Pope"?

Even believing what you believe (I'll leave that between God and yourself) - why would you want to cause division among what you proclaim to be "True"?

Sorry, but averting "division" (as if that is even possible!) is not what Jesus told us to focus on. In fact, He said that He came not to bring peace but a SWORD (emphasis added?)

 

[hobelim]

La differenza tra una Ferrari e una Fiat?

No, la differenza tra una Ferrari e una macchina a pedali

L'italiano è una lingua bellissima. Puoi dirlo senza usare parolacce.

le tue delicate orecchie si sono offese?

Ma se a volte devi usare parolacce, usale per esprimere un punto, non per maledire le persone che non hanno idea di cosa stai dicendo.

Se qualcuno non capisce il punto in inglese, forse imprecherò in cinese, se questo ti fa sentire meglio, pezzo di merda pretenzioso.

Pinche pendejo.

 

[hobelim]

He said that He came not to bring peace but a SWORD

"Take from my hand this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. WHEN THEY HAVE DRUNK IT THEY WILL VOMIT AND GO MAD; such is THE SWORD that I am sending among them."

"From his mouth there went a sharp SWORD with which to SMITE the nations"

Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant

Just art thou in these thy judgments thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink"



Bottoms up!

 

[Ace Nova]

Sorry, but averting "division" (as if that is even possible!) is not what Jesus told us to focus on. In fact, He said that He came not to bring peace but a SWORD (emphasis added?)

He did - and it was accomplished.

"The Sword" he brought was "The Sword of his mouth - his words" And what were his words? A new way of thinking and believing. A way to bring people closer to God through faith and following his path. He taught people how to FOLLOW THE LAW through faith and works and not to rely solely on traditions and customs. At the same time. he still honored and taught his followers to honor the most sacred traditions and customs. The difference is that he taught them that their faith and works came first, followed by traditions and customs - not the other way around.

Think about that before pounding your chest about being a "True Catholic"because your traditions and customs differ from other Catholics' traditions and customs.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Think about that before pounding your chest about being a "True Catholic"because your traditions and customs differ from other Catholics' traditions and customs.

I know I am right. I don't post anything that I have the slightest doubt about. Sorry you don't get it.... sorry you are not as certain of what you believe as I am, apparently. But the Word does tell us all to work out our OWN salvation with fear and trembling, so I hope you do that.. in which case, you will want to STUDY Church history as I have and learn the truth about the Catholic Church.

Then again, maybe you are like most others here:

have better things to do.

And just want to believe any old "priest" or fake pope who comes along because it's too much work to study to find the Truth. Truth hurts, so I guess that's why people avoid it like the plague

 

[hobelim]

"The Sword" he brought was "The Sword of his mouth - his words"

Exactly! A curse in a cup of wine.

"Take from my hand this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. WHEN THEY HAVE DRUNK IT THEY WILL VOMIT AND GO MAD; such is THE SWORD that I am sending among them."

"From his mouth there went a sharp SWORD with which to SMITE the nations"

Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant

Just art thou in these thy judgments thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink"

Apparently, it still works like a charm!



Forse dovresti avvisare il Papa. Lui è fottuto, e lo sei anche tu.

 

[JimH52]

Can an infant believe and confess Jesus Christ? No...they can't.