Zone1 Where does it say in the Bible only adults can be baptized?

Please give yourself the dignity and respect you deserve.
OK. I will now take a bow!

:thanks:

Idolatry in 2024 is quite literally "idolizing" a way of life, politics, a super hero, a rock star, etc - The entire "idolizing" a doll or a cup went out of style 2000+ years ago - You, out of all people, should know better.
I do know better. You are trying to peddle bullshit. You openly worship a lifeless matzo, made by human hands as if it was God himself. WTF! The priest openly says so during mass. Who do you think you're fooling? "This bread, made by human hands, will become for "us" the Body of Christ.", the source of spiritual life, and then all of you deranged numbskulls drop to your knees.

You are openly and brazenly an idolator. Am I telling you something that you didn't already know?

Idolatry, in Judaism and Christianity, the worship of someone or something other than God as though it were God. The first of the biblical Ten Commandments prohibits idolatry: “You shall have no other gods before me.”


You're quite fond of the Democratic Party/Liberal Politics -
I am independent. As usual the state of affairs dictates choosing sides. This current choice is as consequential as choosing between Jesus and Barabbas; a choice between good or evil, a blessing or a curse, life or death. So yeah I favor democratic/liberal politics just because I believe that other people should enjoy the same rights as I do, even women, blacks, hispanics, :ack-1: , all immigrants, transgenders, gays, transvestites, drug users, and even repulsive God fearing, Jesus loving, hypocritical, family values, (pft), corrupt, fascist pig trumps fat ass kissing republican sycophants that swarm around trump just like flies swarming around a putrified rotting corpse.

The stench of republican corruption, lies, racism, antisemitic, anti female, anti gay, anti freedom, anti justice, anti truth Goebbels propaganda, reveals that they have all made a deliberate choice to worship the antichrist. And so I have made a deliberate choice to oppose their maga bullshit.

So what. Is that bad?

Are you sure you do not Idolize it?

Stop being a jackass.
 
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That's some conspiracy.
The real Jesus must have pissed off Rome to no end for them to abolish all religions and create just one dedicated to demonstrating hatred for the Jewish God and desecrating his teaching, by burying it, the Actual Body of Christ, Words from God, under a mountain of perverse obscenities.
 
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No, In 325 Rome usurped and perverted Christianity conjuring from the depths of a Roman hell a false substitute counterfeit Jesus, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, the antichrist.

And set out to conquer the world under the sign of the Mithras cross using the power of death consequent to committing idolatry to subjugate use and abuse the hapless people of the nations
We went over this already - and I debunked it point for point with you.
 
We went over this already - and I debunked it point for point with you.
Sure you did.

:itsok:

Thanks for helping me to reveal the wisdom of my God in giving the command to refrain from the flesh of swine that do not ruminate by so generously demonstrating the terrifying and deeply disturbing death, a curse, consequent to setting that simple and easy to follow instruction aside.

And you do not "believe" that Rome has used "the power of death" to render your brain useless.

Damn.

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Yet - 300 or so years later - the "almighty Rome" took a man that was "crucified" and accepted his ministry - his people

seriously, you haven't a clue ....

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the 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism their false commandments, hereditary idolatry et al - those very vices chosen by those who wrote the christian bible to be included in their religion contrary to why jesus and those others gave their lives for the original heavenly religion of antiquity granted a&e for their goal of remission to the everlasting from the very beginning.

you too use your religion of servitude and denial to persecute and victimize the innocent and as the jews betray jesus and those who aspired with him.
 
OK. I will now take a bow!

:thanks:


I do know better. You are trying to peddle bullshit. You openly worship a lifeless matzo, made by human hands as if it was God himself. WTF! The priest openly says so during mass. Who do you think you're fooling? "This bread, made by human hands, will become for "us" the Body of Christ.", the source of spiritual life, and then all of you deranged numbskulls drop to your knees.

You are openly and brazenly an idolator. Am I telling you something that you didn't already know?

Idolatry, in Judaism and Christianity, the worship of someone or something other than God as though it were God. The first of the biblical Ten Commandments prohibits idolatry: “You shall have no other gods before me.”



I am independent. As usual the state of affairs dictates choosing sides. This current choice is as consequential as choosing between Jesus and Barabbas; a choice between good or evil, a blessing or a curse, life or death. So yeah I favor democratic/liberal politics just because I believe that other people should enjoy the same rights as I do, even women, blacks, hispanics, :ack-1: , all immigrants, transgenders, gays, transvestites, drug users, and even repulsive God fearing, Jesus loving, hypocritical, family values, (pft), corrupt, fascist pig trumps fat ass kissing republican sycophants that swarm around trump just like flies swarming around a putrified rotting corpse.

The stench of republican corruption, lies, racism, antisemitic, anti female, anti gay, anti freedom, anti justice, anti truth Goebbels propaganda, reveals that they have all made a deliberate choice to worship the antichrist. And so I have made a deliberate choice to oppose their maga bullshit.

So what. Is that bad?



Stop being a jackass.

Catholics do not "worship a lifeless matzo".

Catholics believe:

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.



I am also "non partisan" politically - so we have that in common. By saying that the choice is between "good" and "evil" you are by default idolizing one ;political party over the other.

In theory, Democrats seem to 'want to do the right thing' for the people. (Or at least they did in the past) But in practice, many of their policies end up becoming "over bloated and open to corruption". Many Republican policies can sound harsh and even dangerous in theory - but in practice many end up working out - at least recently.

Most of your gripe seems to be against "the furthest right" among the Republican Party. It's saddening that both parties are now identified by the fringe groups within the parties. The majority of people in this country likely lie somewhere in the middle when it comes to politics but end up being pushed further right or further left by the fringe groups of the opposite party, media, social media, etc

Neither of the two major parties are "perfect" - both have their pros and cons - both have "good people" within them and both deal with corruption, bias etc within their parties.

Bi-Partisanship when it comes to politics historically works best. Why? Because BOTH parties agree and both parties push to make it work instead of one party continuously fighting the other party on partisan politics, agendas, etc

Capitalism with social safety nets is what seems to work best for this country - it doesn't need to be "one" or "the other" - it can be "both" and when it's "both" it seems to work best.
 
Catholics do not "worship a lifeless matzo".

Catholics believe:
What you "believe" is irrelevant.

What you do, worshiping a trinity and a first century Jewish matzoman, is the epitome of idolatry

Do you deny getting down on your knees when a priest holds up the eucharist, bread made by human hands, to be worshipped and eaten for spiritual life as if it was God, the only source of spiritual life, even though it cannot see, hear, speak, or walk, has no spiritual life, and is not God?

You might "believe" that you are involved in some holy ritual, but you are defying the Law of God. Of all mythological creatures ever imagined which one would tell people to defy the Law of God?

I do agree that you're having a profound exhilarating religious experience at church, its just not a very good one, dying every time you defy the Law of God at mass, never finding peace in death.

Whee!

Do you also believe that trump is going to save America from communism with fascism? Schnook



 
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What you "believe" is irrelevant.

What you do, worshiping a trinity and a first century Jewish matzoman, is the epitome of idolatry

Do you deny getting down on your knees when a priest holds up the eucharist, bread made by human hands, to be worshipped and eaten for spiritual life as if it was God, the only source of spiritual life, even though it cannot see, hear, speak, or walk, has no spiritual life, and is not God?

Do you also believe that trump is going to save America from communism with fascism?

Schnook.





No, what I believe is called faith and Spirituality - it is a dimension within itself that allows me to get a glimpse of God's nature - Catholics go on to practice communion for the same reason. It is a humbling and peaceful experience. Without faith the bread is just bread "made by human hands" but through faith - "All things are possible with God".
 
No, what I believe is called faith and Spirituality - it is a dimension within itself that allows me to get a glimpse of God's nature - Catholics go on to practice communion for the same reason. It is a humbling and peaceful experience. Without faith the bread is just bread "made by human hands" but through faith - "All things are possible with God".
Answer the question.

Do you deny getting down on your knees when a priest holds up the "eucharist", bread made by human hands, to be worshipped and eaten for spiritual life as if it was God, the only source of spiritual life, even though it cannot see, hear, speak, or walk, has no spiritual life, and is not God?
 
I am also "non partisan" politically - so we have that in common. By saying that the choice is between "good" and "evil" you are by default idolizing one ;political party over the other.
I am not idolizing anything by default by stating the obvious. It always boils down to a choice between right and wrong, true and false, good and evil, especially when the choice of the entire Republican Party is a demented bought and sold moron who openly espouses nazi propaganda.

Me saying fuck that liar and his 90,000 lies and supporting the other side is not idolizing anything

Setting aside the first command by kneeling before bread made by human hands and eating it for spiritual life derp is idolatry, a mortal sin under penalty of death, a curse you so perfectly display.

THATS WHAT YOU DO. To teach others to do the same amounts to intentional murder. Murderer.
 
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Answer the question.

Do you deny getting down on your knees when a priest holds up the "eucharist", bread made by human hands, to be worshipped and eaten for spiritual life as if it was God, the only source of spiritual life, even though it cannot see, hear, speak, or walk, has no spiritual life, and is not God?

No, Catholics "do not kneel when the priest holds up the Eucharist" Catholics kneel from the time the Tabernacle is opened up until it is closed, after the sacrament of Holy Communion. The opening of the tabernacle signifies The presence of God and Catholics kneel in reverence to God and throughout the sacrament of Holy Communion.

For someone who denies spiritually - you certainly seemed to be angered by the spiritually of others. Why is that?
 
No, Catholics "do not kneel when the priest holds up the Eucharist" Catholics kneel from the time the Tabernacle is opened up until it is closed, after the sacrament of Holy Communion.
Whats the difference? Do you think God is constrained in your tabernacle like a genie in a bottle?
The presence of God and Catholics kneel in reverence to God and throughout the sacrament of Holy Communion.
Gods presence is never in a place where people worship and eat bread baked on human dung. You have confused the Sprit of truth with a spirit of perversity and faith with obstinate stupidity.

For someone who denies spiritually - you certainly seemed to be angered by the spiritually of others. Why is that?
I do not deny spirituality. I am telling the truth. You claim to worship God but set aside his law to kneel before and seek spiritual life from a lifeless matzo MADE BY HUMAN HANDS. Either you have been misled or have made evil and all of its consequences a willful and deliberate choice.

Which is it?

My spirituality is founded and built on truth. Even so, I do not deny your spirituality. Remember?

"I do agree that you're having a profound exhilarating religious experience at church, its just not a very good one, dying every time you defy the Law of God at mass, never finding peace in death.

Whee
!"
 
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I am not idolizing anything by default by stating the obvious. It always boils down to a choice between right and wrong, true and false, good and evil, especially when the choice of the entire Republican Party is a demented bought and sold moron who openly espouses nazi propaganda.

Me saying fuck that liar and his 90,000 lies and supporting the other side is not idolizing anything

Setting aside the first command by kneeling before bread made by human hands and eating it for spiritual life derp is idolatry, a mortal sin under penalty of death, a curse you so perfectly display.

THATS WHAT YOU DO. To teach others to do the same amounts to intentional murder. Murderer.

"A sold moron"? Trump is the one guy in politics that isn't "sold". Whether you believe that a 79 year-old billionaire is doing it for the country or doing it for his own legacy - you simply cannot state that he's "sold". Trump is almost the opposite of "sold" - he does things that go against the grain - he is loyal to those that are loyal to him. He states what he believes to be true and what comes from his mind - whether it's fact or opinion based is up for the public to discern. He's an ultra competitive, New York City business man and does not pretend to be anything else - what you see is what you get with Donald Trump.

As far as "90,000 lies" or whatever the count is up to now - the article that initially wrote about it was a joke. It took many of his statements out of context, stated that "opinion based" statements were lies, etc etc. There were a few moments during Trump's presidency that he stated or did things that were upsetting to me - some with intent - others may have not been intentional. I'm still not fond of the way he speaks about Joe Biden, Clinton, Obama - or many of his political rivals - I think he's tough enough and smart enough to do better if he wanted to - and in some ways, I think he may do a lot of it to get a reaction out of people/showmanship, etc. I think he could have and should have done more to prevent January 6 - lives were lost that day and it could have been much worse had the police not shown an unparalleled amount of restraint.

When has Trump openly espoused "Nazi propaganda"? The fact that some of his opponents make this claim - and go even further, comparing him to Hitler is beyond comprehension, blatantly ignorant and offensive to anyone who was a victim of the Nazi regime, their families and to the men and women who sacrificed everything - including their own lives - to defeat them during WWII.


Murderer? No, wrong guy, bud, try again.

Every time you instruct people about your "deeper meanings" - and state it as factual - and go as far as accusing the faithful of murder, idolatry, etc you are potentially leading people astray. See - one who has faith and Spirituality relies on it for things they do not fully grasp or understand - but one without faith - who relies on "hidden meanings" and states them as fact - cannot rely on the Spirit and faith - so there is little "gray area" for you.

I won't accuse you of murder or judge you - for who am I to judge?
 
Murderer? No, wrong guy, bud, try again.
If to defy the law of God results in death then anyone who sets aside the law of God, and teaches others to do the same, (like you) is a murderer in the same way that Jesus said that "Satan was a murderer from the beginning" even though Satan literally didn't kill anyone.
 
He's an ultra competitive,
Wow.

Supporting Trump amounts to choosing the talking serpent in the Garden of Eden to be your leader. Trump is a malignant narcisist. He is not a businessman, he is a sadistic con man, a misogynist, a rapist, a thief, a smelly perverse antisemitic loser, and an actor and lying fraud.

Not to mention treasonous, conspiring with dictators and despots worldwide to destroy America.

In Hebrew the word for serpent is Nachash, which is both a noun and adjective meaning snake, brazen, shiny one, and/or someone who practices divination (the stars of the ancient world) what they called sorcery or the magical arts, what is now well known as mind control or brainwashing.

Trump is a direct descendant of that ever elusive talking serpent of old. And you are possessed. A sucker who has eaten the forbidden fruit, the bullshit of a con man, and has died "the death".

Unless you repent of your murders and your sorcery you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Believe that.
 
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If to defy the law of God results in death then anyone who sets aside the law of God, and teaches others to do the same, (like you) is a murderer in the same way that Jesus said that "Satan was a murderer from the beginning" even though Satan literally didn't kill anyone.
Who is teaching anyone to set aside the Law of God? I follow what I have been taught since childhood and what has been given to me from above.
 
Wow.

Supporting Trump amounts to choosing the talking serpent in the Garden of Eden to be your leader. Trump is a malignant narcisist. He is not a businessman, he is a sadistic con man, a misogynist, a rapist, a thief, a smelly perverse antisemitic loser, and an actor and lying fraud.

Not to mention treasonous, conspiring with dictators and despots worldwide to destroy America.

In Hebrew the word for serpent is Nachash, which is both a noun and adjective meaning snake, brazen, shiny one, and/or someone who practices divination (the stars of the ancient world) what they called sorcery or the magical arts, what is now well known as mind control or brainwashing.

Trump is a direct descendant of that ever elusive talking serpent of old. And you are possessed. A sucker who has eaten the forbidden fruit, the bullshit of a con man, and has died "the death".

Unless you repent of your murders and your sorcery you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Believe that.
So if a person does not judge, ridicule and persecute Trump - he/she "must be a Trump Supporter"? The hate that some people have for the man makes little sense to me.

Sorcery? Divination? Not sure how Trump does that - care to explain?
 
Whats the difference? Do you think God is constrained in your tabernacle like a genie in a bottle?

Gods presence is never in a place where people worship and eat bread baked on human dung. You have confused the Sprit of truth with a spirit of perversity and faith with obstinate stupidity.


I do not deny spirituality. I am telling the truth. You claim to worship God but set aside his law to kneel before and seek spiritual life from a lifeless matzo MADE BY HUMAN HANDS. Either you have been misled or have made evil and all of its consequences a willful and deliberate choice.

Which is it?

My spirituality is founded and built on truth. Even so, I do not deny your spirituality. Remember?

"I do agree that you're having a profound exhilarating religious experience at church, its just not a very good one, dying every time you defy the Law of God at mass, never finding peace in death.

Whee
!"
John 8:

13 On hearing this, the Pharisees said to him, “You are testifying on your own behalf. Your testimony is not true.” 14 Jesus replied,

“Even though I testify on my own behalf,
my testimony is true,
because I know where I have come from
and where I am going,
whereas you do not know
where I have come from
or where I am going.
15 You judge by the flesh,
whereas I do not judge anyone.

16 Yet even if I do judge,
my judgment is true
because it is not I alone who judge,
but it is I and the Father who sent me.
17 “In your Law it is written
that the testimony of two witnesses is true.
18 I testify on my own behalf,
and the Father who sent me
also testifies on my behalf.”
19 They continued to question him, saying, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered,

“You know neither me nor my Father.
If you knew me,
you would know my Father also.”
 
And you are possessed. A sucker who has eaten the forbidden fruit, the bullshit of a con man, and has died "the death".

Unless you repent of your murders and your sorcery you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Believe that.
John 8:

48 The Jews answered, “Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and are possessed?” 49 Jesus said,

“I am not possessed.
I honor my Father,
but you dishonor me.
50 I do not seek my own glory.
There is one who seeks it,
and he is the judge.
 
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