Zone1 Can you find the Flaw in Atheist Speaker Christopher Hitchens' Logic Here.

[alang1216]

You were the one who said you expected pearly gates and that you would be there. I thought it interesting that pearly gates were your idea of an afterlife, a kind of sight-seeing tour. On the other hand, I see the afterlife of existing in the presence of God. That's two views, but for me, I want to know what the author was thinking.

I used pearly gates as a symbol for heaven but you confused me when you referred to them as an "inanimate object". I don't think we disagree.

The worship you describe might be compared to dessert, while the worship I present is the meat-bread-vegetables part of the meal.

OK. We all worship different things in different way.

 

[Meriweather]

OK. We all worship different things in different way.

We do? The etymology of worship is make one thing a priority. How long does singing hymns in church once a week survive as a life priority? When I face a problem at work (or at home), singing a song isn't even on the list--let alone the first priority.

 

[alang1216]

We do? The etymology of worship is make one thing a priority. How long does singing hymns in church once a week survive as a life priority? When I face a problem at work (or at home), singing a song isn't even on the list--let alone the first priority.

The etymology of "worship" is rooted in the Old English word weorthscipe (or worthscip), which literally means "worthiness" or "worth-ship"—the condition of ascribing value, honor, or worth to something or someone. It evolved from acknowledging the worth of an object or deity to mean paying reverence.

• Components: It is a combination of weorth (worth/value) and -scipe (a suffix indicating state or condition, similar to "-ship" in friendship).
• Original Meaning: It meant to give, or to show that something is worthy of honor.
• Evolution: Over time, this evolved from a general term for showing honor (e.g., to magistrates, as in "Your Worship") to a specific term for the reverence paid to a divine being.
• Conceptual Application: Worship is considered the act of placing the highest value on God, making Him the ultimate priority.

Therefore, while not explicitly "making one thing a priority" in its Old English root, it means "ascribing worth," which inherently elevates the object of worship to the highest priority.

 

[ding]

The etymology of "worship" is rooted in the Old English word weorthscipe (or worthscip), which literally means "worthiness" or "worth-ship"—the condition of ascribing value, honor, or worth to something or someone. It evolved from acknowledging the worth of an object or deity to mean paying reverence.

• Components: It is a combination of weorth (worth/value) and -scipe (a suffix indicating state or condition, similar to "-ship" in friendship).
• Original Meaning: It meant to give, or to show that something is worthy of honor.
• Evolution: Over time, this evolved from a general term for showing honor (e.g., to magistrates, as in "Your Worship") to a specific term for the reverence paid to a divine being.
• Conceptual Application: Worship is considered the act of placing the highest value on God, making Him the ultimate priority.

Therefore, while not explicitly "making one thing a priority" in its Old English root, it means "ascribing worth," which inherently elevates the object of worship to the highest priority.

God's worthiness is unquestioned. Just look at existence. It's our worthiness that is in question.

Are you worthy of the gift you have received? Are you thankful? If you were, how would you show it? Because it looks to me like you either aren't aware or you don't think much of it. So it's no wonder you are here questioning the existence of God instead of seeking God. You don't seem to appreciate anything.

 

[Meriweather]

The etymology of "worship" is rooted in the Old English word weorthscipe (or worthscip), which literally means "worthiness" or "worth-ship"—the condition of ascribing value, honor, or worth to something or someone. It evolved from acknowledging the worth of an object or deity to mean paying reverence.

• Components: It is a combination of weorth (worth/value) and -scipe (a suffix indicating state or condition, similar to "-ship" in friendship).
• Original Meaning: It meant to give, or to show that something is worthy of honor.
• Evolution: Over time, this evolved from a general term for showing honor (e.g., to magistrates, as in "Your Worship") to a specific term for the reverence paid to a divine being.
• Conceptual Application: Worship is considered the act of placing the highest value on God, making Him the ultimate priority.

Therefore, while not explicitly "making one thing a priority" in its Old English root, it means "ascribing worth," which inherently elevates the object of worship to the highest priority.

I go back to the Hebrew etymology which defines priority. The King James' English doesn't quite nail the original meaning--which is a continual issue throughout the English translations from the Hebrew. Practicing one's faith happens in the real world, in real life--not in church. Don't get me wrong. I believe gathering as a community is of great importance as well, but as a vital side note, not the main.