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YOU are the one equating the idea of a supreme being with Santa Clause.
Um, that's right. That is my point. Well done...
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YOU are the one equating the idea of a supreme being with Santa Clause.
That says more about you than any connection between Santa Clause and God.Um, that's right. That is my point. Well done...
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That says more about you than any connection between Santa Clause and God.
You must be weakening because before you denied any disrespect on your part to those with religious leanings.
You don't really give a crap if you are seen as an inflammatory troll anymore, do you.
I've explained basic concepts to you all throughout this thread.Wrong. Using YOUR logic, I should believe in Santa Claus.
You really suck at logic, by the way.
I think you suck at posting and logic. My logic: there is evidence of man-made global warming, none whatsoever of a god, ergo, there is no god. I apply the same logic to Santa. In other words, you have it arse backwards.
Edit: Actually, we're both right. Using my logic I don't believe in a god or Santa. But yes, the evidence of a god is the same as there is of there being Santa. So I do wonder why you don't believe in both.
I've given you logic. Your refusal to acknowledgement is your problem, not mine.[
That says more about you than any connection between Santa Clause and God.
You must be weakening because before you denied any disrespect on your part to those with religious leanings.
You don't really give a crap if you are seen as an inflammatory troll anymore, do you.
I'm trying to make a point by illustrating it. I'm trying to get Dave to show me what the difference is.
If we were talking in real life, these questions would be put in a matter of fact way. I can do condescending, but I'm not being so in this instance. Unfortunately typing doesn't do nuance. Trust me, I'm not mocking him, I'm trying to get him to give me logic.
Up until a certain age kids believe in the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny etc. Then they realise it's not true. I'm the same with a god. I was born into an Anglican family. But I soon started questioning the whole god thing. I realised the only reason I believed because I was scared not to. I was told of all the bad things that would happen to me if I didn't. Then one day, I thought, 'what a crock of shit and it's a real shitty reason to believe in something'. Started doing some digging and came to my own conclusions. Thing is, I can argue all day about the logic of my conclusions. Religous folk can't. They only have belief. And that's fine, but I find it ironic that belief is enough for them, but when it comes to man-made global warming, and the evidence is in, these same people say 'there's no evidence' even though there's a trove of it. It's not lost on me the vast majority of nay sayers are white, conservative, US, Christians.
I've given you logic. Your refusal to acknowledgement is your problem, not mine.
You have never talked anyone into abandoning their faith. You will never talk anyone into abandoning their faith.
Apparently, that makes you angry.
The logical and reasoned argument for the caused universe exists. The Existence of God and the Beginning of the Universe | Reasonable FaithI'm trying to make a point by illustrating it. I'm trying to get Dave to show me what the difference is.
If we were talking in real life, these questions would be put in a matter of fact way. I can do condescending, but I'm not being so in this instance. Unfortunately typing doesn't do nuance. Trust me, I'm not mocking him, I'm trying to get him to give me logic.
You know what's also logical? "You can't prove a negative."
You believe there is no god...but you can't prove it.
You take it on faith, in other words.
I put god in the same category as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Man made constructs. So using your logic you believe in Santa Claus. Interesting...
Not everyone operates on emotion, like you do.I've given you logic. Your refusal to acknowledgement is your problem, not mine.
You have never talked anyone into abandoning their faith. You will never talk anyone into abandoning their faith.
Apparently, that makes you angry.
On this thread? I'm not even close to being angry.
OTOH, you do seem to be getting annoyed.
Faith is not logic.
faith
noun
noun: faith
- strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
- noun
noun: logic
1.
reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
I wonder if can think of any person or thing that "just is"? I can't.
By the way, to short circuit what is surely coming the being we refer to as God exists
outside of our dimension and realm of existence and therefore is not subject to the reality
we all are subject to. Crazy I know, but not as crazy as an uncaused universe that just is.
Prove Santa claus is not real, Virginia.
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Not everyone operates on emotion, like you do.
I've explained simple concepts simply. You misunderstand, either on purpose or because you really don't understand, because the things I say challenge your worldview.
And you can't tolerate that.
Of course that's something no human being will ever be able to answer (not while on this plane of existence anyway).And there's the thing. If you gave me the choice of what is more believable, the universe just 'exists' and this god 'exists outside the realm of existence and is not subject to the reality we all are subject too', I find the former much more believable. Because my next question would be how does this other dimension exist? Where did it come from?
it's almost a circular argument.
Prove Santa claus is not real, Virginia.
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All empirical and physical evidence proves Santa Claus does not exist.
I'm sure that fiction comforts you.Not everyone operates on emotion, like you do.
I've explained simple concepts simply. You misunderstand, either on purpose or because you really don't understand, because the things I say challenge your worldview.
And you can't tolerate that.
You're the one whose posts are dripping with emotion. Including this one. I'm being logical. That is all. Nothing more, nothing less.
Grump is angry that people of faith don't believe the things he tells them to.WT <blue> F does faith have to do with science here?
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Of course that's something no human being will ever be able to answer (not while on this plane of existence anyway).
But we have proof of the universe maker, or engineer, because we have proof of the universe itself.
Did you read my link to the scientific way we know the universe is not without a beginning?
If the universe has a starting point then it has a cause for being...something that started it off.
We must infer God by his creation the way we infer a bicycle maker by the bicycle itself.
\Grump is angry that people of faith don't believe the things he tells them to.WT <blue> F does faith have to do with science here?
~S~