CDZ Where Do Guns Used In Crimes Come From?

[2aguy]

Consider how the supply of any marketplace functions.

Let's say the market has 100K widgets (items that are distribution-regulated) in it as follows:

• 80K widgets owned by individuals, duly authorized or not
• 20K widgets held for sale by merchants

So what happens as a result of a variety of events?

• If the price of widgets increases, fewer of the 20K merchant-held widgets will be demanded over a given period of time, thus -- because of the importance of inventory turns, along with that of floorplan financing (see also: Floorplan Lending), in a retail business -- they will remain with the merchant, transferred (legally) to the merchant's outlet in a more demanding marketplace, or returned to the manufacturer.
• If the price of a widget in the legal marketplace increases, their price in the black market will also increase.
• If a law or other circumstance comes about outlawing widgets, some material quantity of widgets will cease to exist in the marketplace, thus reducing the quantity available from 100K to something less than 100K.

Additionally, at some point, some price, the cost-benefit calculus for buying a black market widget militates against buying one, even buying one illegally. For example, it just doesn't make sense to spend $1500 on a widget one plans to use to aid one in stealing $500 from a convenience store, particularly insofar as with each theft the risk of being caught increases, thereby forcing one to try to "hit" considerably tougher targets that also reduce the chances of successfully completing the theft. The theft act isn't the only one that works that way.

In contrast, the self-defense motive isn't hardly at all diminished by the increasing price of a widget. What is the successful defense of one's life worth? Surely more than whatever a widget costs. Moreover, regardless of the price of the widget, a self-defense motivated buyer hopes to never actually use it or have cause to use it. In that regard, the widget is much like collision or comprehensive insurance one might have on a car for which one has free and clear title. One buys it but one doesn't want to have to file a claim.


Now if one's aim is to reduce the quantity of widgets available to criminals and would be gun abusers in a given market, reducing the supply of them achieves that. I'm sure I don't need to tell you or anyone that the fewer widgets there are in a market, the harder it gets to become the owner of one of them. That will apply to illegal and legal consumers. The harder it is to get hold of a widget, the fewer are the folks who have one, be those folks authorized or unauthorized to have one. Quite simply, the laws of supply and demand hold true for both classes of individual.

Except for the poor.....any increase in price makes a gun outside of their ability to own........and that is a violation of the 14th Amendment...........democrats used Poll Taxes to keep blacks from exercising their right to vote......increasing prices on guns, increasing taxes and fees on guns makes it increasingly harder for the poor and middle class to afford guns....violating their rights.....

It would be the same if newspapers had taxes put on their papers to the point that only the rich could buy them.........

 

[jon_berzerk]

Consider how the supply of any marketplace functions.

Let's say the market has 100K widgets (items that are distribution-regulated) in it as follows:

• 80K widgets owned by individuals, duly authorized or not
• 20K widgets held for sale by merchants

So what happens as a result of a variety of events?

• If the price of widgets increases, fewer of the 20K merchant-held widgets will be demanded over a given period of time, thus -- because of the importance of inventory turns, along with that of floorplan financing (see also: Floorplan Lending), in a retail business -- they will remain with the merchant, transferred (legally) to the merchant's outlet in a more demanding marketplace, or returned to the manufacturer.
• If the price of a widget in the legal marketplace increases, their price in the black market will also increase.
• If a law or other circumstance comes about outlawing widgets, some material quantity of widgets will cease to exist in the marketplace, thus reducing the quantity available from 100K to something less than 100K.

Additionally, at some point, some price, the cost-benefit calculus for buying a black market widget militates against buying one, even buying one illegally. For example, it just doesn't make sense to spend $1500 on a widget one plans to use to aid one in stealing $500 from a convenience store, particularly insofar as with each theft the risk of being caught increases, thereby forcing one to try to "hit" considerably tougher targets that also reduce the chances of successfully completing the theft. The theft act isn't the only one that works that way.

In contrast, the self-defense motive isn't hardly at all diminished by the increasing price of a widget. What is the successful defense of one's life worth? Surely more than whatever a widget costs. Moreover, regardless of the price of the widget, a self-defense motivated buyer hopes to never actually use it or have cause to use it. In that regard, the widget is much like collision or comprehensive insurance one might have on a car for which one has free and clear title. One buys it but one doesn't want to have to file a claim.


Now if one's aim is to reduce the quantity of widgets available to criminals and would be gun abusers in a given market, reducing the supply of them achieves that. I'm sure I don't need to tell you or anyone that the fewer widgets there are in a market, the harder it gets to become the owner of one of them. That will apply to illegal and legal consumers. The harder it is to get hold of a widget, the fewer are the folks who have one, be those folks authorized or unauthorized to have one. Quite simply, the laws of supply and demand hold true for both classes of individual.

Except for the poor.....any increase in price makes a gun outside of their ability to own........and that is a violation of the 14th Amendment...........democrats used Poll Taxes to keep blacks from exercising their right to vote......increasing prices on guns, increasing taxes and fees on guns makes it increasingly harder for the poor and middle class to afford guns....violating their rights.....

It would be the same if newspapers had taxes put on their papers to the point that only the rich could buy them.........

over time plenty of gun control laws had been aimed at keeping blacks from firearm ownership

 

[2aguy]

Consider how the supply of any marketplace functions.

Let's say the market has 100K widgets (items that are distribution-regulated) in it as follows:

• 80K widgets owned by individuals, duly authorized or not
• 20K widgets held for sale by merchants

So what happens as a result of a variety of events?

• If the price of widgets increases, fewer of the 20K merchant-held widgets will be demanded over a given period of time, thus -- because of the importance of inventory turns, along with that of floorplan financing (see also: Floorplan Lending), in a retail business -- they will remain with the merchant, transferred (legally) to the merchant's outlet in a more demanding marketplace, or returned to the manufacturer.
• If the price of a widget in the legal marketplace increases, their price in the black market will also increase.
• If a law or other circumstance comes about outlawing widgets, some material quantity of widgets will cease to exist in the marketplace, thus reducing the quantity available from 100K to something less than 100K.

Additionally, at some point, some price, the cost-benefit calculus for buying a black market widget militates against buying one, even buying one illegally. For example, it just doesn't make sense to spend $1500 on a widget one plans to use to aid one in stealing $500 from a convenience store, particularly insofar as with each theft the risk of being caught increases, thereby forcing one to try to "hit" considerably tougher targets that also reduce the chances of successfully completing the theft. The theft act isn't the only one that works that way.

In contrast, the self-defense motive isn't hardly at all diminished by the increasing price of a widget. What is the successful defense of one's life worth? Surely more than whatever a widget costs. Moreover, regardless of the price of the widget, a self-defense motivated buyer hopes to never actually use it or have cause to use it. In that regard, the widget is much like collision or comprehensive insurance one might have on a car for which one has free and clear title. One buys it but one doesn't want to have to file a claim.


Now if one's aim is to reduce the quantity of widgets available to criminals and would be gun abusers in a given market, reducing the supply of them achieves that. I'm sure I don't need to tell you or anyone that the fewer widgets there are in a market, the harder it gets to become the owner of one of them. That will apply to illegal and legal consumers. The harder it is to get hold of a widget, the fewer are the folks who have one, be those folks authorized or unauthorized to have one. Quite simply, the laws of supply and demand hold true for both classes of individual.

They reduced the supply of guns in Britian...they confiscated them...gun crime rates did not change...in fact, they went up 4%....

They made fully automatic weapons completely illegal in France.......and they are easily obtained by criminals and terrorists...so much so that if a criminal doesn't have an AK he is considered a loser.....so said French police...........

Guns are unavailable to the citizens of Mexico......they have one gun store run by the military......the drug cartels have all of the guns....and their police and military minions have them as well......

You have no idea what you are talking about.....

 

[2aguy]

After the assault weapon ban, murders by assault weapons fell dramatically.

For that to be true, the murder rate in which firearms categorized as assault weapons under the ban were used to kill would have to have fallen more so than other types of firearms.

I challenge you to provide evidence to back up your claim.

We don't research on gun violence in america. By design. And legislation. Who do you think would lobby for something like that?

You know that is a lie...right........the CDC and the Department of Justice both study gun violence.........all the time......please check the dates on the research below....that isn't even a comprehensive list of all the gun research they do.....

This is some gun research from the CEC in 2006....

Violence-Related Firearm Deaths Among Residents of Metropolitan Areas and Cities --- United States, 2006--2007

And this one....

Source of Firearms Used by Students in School-Associated Violent Deaths --- United States, 1992--1999

And this one....

http://www.thecommunityguide.org/violence/viol-AJPM-evrev-firearms-law.pdf

And this one....

Surveillance for Fatal and Nonfatal Firearm-Related Injuries --- United States, 1993--1998

And this one....

Firearm Homicides and Suicides in Major Metropolitan Areas — United States, 2006–2007 and 2009–2010

And this one...

Indoor Firing Ranges and Elevated Blood Lead Levels — United States, 2002–2013

And this one....

Rates of Homicide, Suicide, and Firearm-Related Death Among Children -- 26 Industrialized Countries


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The Deleware study of 2015...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/us/cdc-gun-violence-wilmington.html?_r=0

When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.



They were here to examine gun violence.

This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office
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The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.

“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,” the report said. “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”

Researchers analyzed data on 569 people charged with firearm crimes from 2009 to May 21, 2014, and looked for certain risk factors in their lives, such as whether they had been unemployed, had received help from assistance programs, had been possible victims of child abuse, or had been shot or stabbed. The idea was to show that linking such data could create a better understanding of who might need help before becoming involved in violence.

 

[Hiryuu]

Normally criminals are holding onto them, so I am going with criminals.

Why do you think criminals are the people normally holding firearms, and why would you go with the criminals?

 

[westwall]

The gun as a fetish in american society is more sacred than life, any who question anything are blasphemers.

It is not a fetish and your stupid remark was unwarranted to have an intelligent conversation. Gun ownership is a RIGHT what is recognized by the U.S. Constitution. It is not a right granted by the U.S. Constitution but an unalienable right recognized by the U.S. Constitution.

The behavior of your fellow zealots speaks for itself. Fetish. A symbol of the so called "freedom" you have in this society in the industrial/corporate surveillance state.

And what is your fetish? Unfettered control of the people by a government that when it is in a benevolent mode merely takes the hard earned money from one group to give to its slave class, but when feeling petulant is inclined to murder those whom the bureaucrats and politicians no longer deem useful? Is that your fetish?

The founders understood the type of people you are that is why they made sure that government wouldn't have the ability to run roughshod over the People. As far as the OP go's gun controls merely raise the cost of guns to a point where the rich and the criminals are the only ones who can afford them. Where do illegal guns come from? THE WORLD.

The world is awash in guns. Has always been, will always be.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

It's a simple question. Where do guns used in crimes come from?.....

From around the world because any skilled craftsman who owns a machine shop can provide you with one... That's if the craftsman has those sort of morals and ethics.

*****SMILE*****

 

[jon_berzerk]

you can get by with less then that

Homemade AK-47 Constructed from Simple Garden Shove (49 pics)

 

[320 Years of History]

The world is awash in guns. Has always been, will always be.

Map of civilian guns per capita by country from the Small Arms Survey 2007.
​

"Awash" in guns? "The world?" I hardly call 10 or fewer guns per 100 individuals "awash." Have you looked at the populations of China and India compared to that of the U.S? Have you considered the land area of the U.S. compared to the combined area that of most of Asia, including Russia, China, India, most of Africa, and most of South America? No, the world is not awash in guns; the U.S. is.

Moreover, the rate of gun ownership has gradually declined in the modern era, falling from ~47% in the early 1970s to 31% in 2014. The decline has been attributed to there being fewer hunters (presumably because hunting is either a less popular recreation or it is less necessary) in the 21st century than there were in the early-late 20th century.

 

[Hiryuu]

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Here is a graphic for homicides per capita:

It does make a marketable difference in places where only the military, police and criminals have firearms.

 

[Fenton Lum]

The gun as a fetish in american society is more sacred than life, any who question anything are blasphemers.

It is not a fetish and your stupid remark was unwarranted to have an intelligent conversation. Gun ownership is a RIGHT what is recognized by the U.S. Constitution. It is not a right granted by the U.S. Constitution but an unalienable right recognized by the U.S. Constitution.

The behavior of your fellow zealots speaks for itself. Fetish. A symbol of the so called "freedom" you have in this society in the industrial/corporate surveillance state.

And what is your fetish? Unfettered control of the people by a government that when it is in a benevolent mode merely takes the hard earned money from one group to give to its slave class, but when feeling petulant is inclined to murder those whom the bureaucrats and politicians no longer deem useful? Is that your fetish?

The founders understood the type of people you are that is why they made sure that government wouldn't have the ability to run roughshod over the People. As far as the OP go's gun controls merely raise the cost of guns to a point where the rich and the criminals are the only ones who can afford them. Where do illegal guns come from? THE WORLD.

The world is awash in guns. Has always been, will always be.

The founders cared about no one but themselves which is why all the liberty, the vote, and the freedom they went on and on about was reserved for affluent white land holding males alone. Everyone else had to wrestle any consideration at all from them later on in history, against their vision. The so called american revolution was merely a pissing match between bickering factions of british and colonial aristocracies. I do congratulate your awakening here; " .... to give to its slave class .... " in that you now have come to understand we still have what amounts to a slave class in this society - the poor, working poor, and the working class, and yes, there has indeed been a vast redistribution of wealth over the past 5-6 decades, just not in the false direction you're blathering on about.

Your emotional diarrhea here is misdirected; in the post you are responding to, there is nothing about gun control. So why don't you arise from your lazy backside, move away from your reflexive Pavlovian responses, and go locate a post whereby I argue FOR gun control. What I have argued against is stupidity with guns which is what offends you so, too bad. I own, permitted to carry, doesn't mean I need to be an emotionally charged idiot about it.

If you'd actually critically and thoughtfully read my posts you would know that this tripe:

And what is your fetish? Unfettered control of the people by a government that when it is in a benevolent mode merely takes the hard earned money from one group to give to its slave class, but when feeling petulant is inclined to murder those whom the bureaucrats and politicians no longer deem useful? Is that your fetish?

is meaningless emotional reactionary hyberbole. And I might add this is exactly what your privatized prison system is for, the warehousing of human beings for profit in a post industrial society thaty no longer requires the labor force it once did.

 

[Fenton Lum]

I would take any bet that those children are the children of 16 year old baby mamas of our criminal underclass

Since you'd "take any bet," let's be reasonable and call it $50.

• Mother fatally shot by two-year-old son from the back seat of car in Milwaukee
  
• 4-YEAR-OLD FLORIDA BOY SHOOTS MOTHER IN THE BACK
  
• 2-year-old boy took gun from mother’s purse, fatally shot himself
  • Kanisha Shelton, 23, was charged with neglect of a dependent resulting in death after police say her son found a gun in her purse and fatally shot himself last month.
• 3-year-old killed in accidental shooting in Paulding County

That's a bet you lose, and here's the address to which you can remit your check or money order:

Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
805 15th Street NW, Suite 700
Washington, DC 20005​

sorry...I have run the numbers.......accidental gun deaths of children are down...from the CDC......not from bloom ergs anti gun group......

Run all the numbers you want. None of them will make the those toddlers (and specifically the three year olds) noted in the links I provided the children of "16 year old baby mamas of our criminal underclass."

Does this Paulding County family referred to in the fourth link look like members of any "underclass" to you?

This is the mother of the four year old. She was a staunch and outspoken (albeit, as is typical of "gunnies," loud, strong and wrong) gun-rights advocate.

She doesn't look like a member of any "underclass" to me.

Oh my, well this doesn't support the fantasy at all, does it.

 

[Kristian]

From south border and niggas and Los Angeles south dictrict.

 

[2aguy]

The world is awash in guns. Has always been, will always be.

Map of civilian guns per capita by country from the Small Arms Survey 2007.
​

"Awash" in guns? "The world?" I hardly call 10 or fewer guns per 100 individuals "awash." Have you looked at the populations of China and India compared to that of the U.S? Have you considered the land area of the U.S. compared to the combined area that of most of Asia, including Russia, China, India, most of Africa, and most of South America? No, the world is not awash in guns; the U.S. is.

Moreover, the rate of gun ownership has gradually declined in the modern era, falling from ~47% in the early 1970s to 31% in 2014. The decline has been attributed to there being fewer hunters (presumably because hunting is either a less popular recreation or it is less necessary) in the 21st century than there were in the early-late 20th century.

No...gun ownership has not declined........reporting gun ownership has declined..........because of people like you.....

Criminals in all of those countries get guns easily....look around the world and you will see unarmed peoples being slaughtered by their own governments.....and the governments never gave up guns........

mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing only happen to unarmed populations.......

 

[2aguy]

The world is awash in guns. Has always been, will always be.

Map of civilian guns per capita by country from the Small Arms Survey 2007.
​

"Awash" in guns? "The world?" I hardly call 10 or fewer guns per 100 individuals "awash." Have you looked at the populations of China and India compared to that of the U.S? Have you considered the land area of the U.S. compared to the combined area that of most of Asia, including Russia, China, India, most of Africa, and most of South America? No, the world is not awash in guns; the U.S. is.

Moreover, the rate of gun ownership has gradually declined in the modern era, falling from ~47% in the early 1970s to 31% in 2014. The decline has been attributed to there being fewer hunters (presumably because hunting is either a less popular recreation or it is less necessary) in the 21st century than there were in the early-late 20th century.

Of course you forgot to add the map of murder by country....that makes your image look stupid....thanks Hiryu.....

 

[westwall]

The gun as a fetish in american society is more sacred than life, any who question anything are blasphemers.

It is not a fetish and your stupid remark was unwarranted to have an intelligent conversation. Gun ownership is a RIGHT what is recognized by the U.S. Constitution. It is not a right granted by the U.S. Constitution but an unalienable right recognized by the U.S. Constitution.

The behavior of your fellow zealots speaks for itself. Fetish. A symbol of the so called "freedom" you have in this society in the industrial/corporate surveillance state.

And what is your fetish? Unfettered control of the people by a government that when it is in a benevolent mode merely takes the hard earned money from one group to give to its slave class, but when feeling petulant is inclined to murder those whom the bureaucrats and politicians no longer deem useful? Is that your fetish?

The founders understood the type of people you are that is why they made sure that government wouldn't have the ability to run roughshod over the People. As far as the OP go's gun controls merely raise the cost of guns to a point where the rich and the criminals are the only ones who can afford them. Where do illegal guns come from? THE WORLD.

The world is awash in guns. Has always been, will always be.

The founders cared about no one but themselves which is why all the liberty, the vote, and the freedom they went on and on about was reserved for affluent white land holding males alone. Everyone else had to wrestle any consideration at all from them later on in history, against their vision. The so called american revolution was merely a pissing match between bickering factions of british and colonial aristocracies. I do congratulate your awakening here; " .... to give to its slave class .... " in that you now have come to understand we still have what amounts to a slave class in this society - the poor, working poor, and the working class, and yes, there has indeed been a vast redistribution of wealth over the past 5-6 decades, just not in the false direction you're blathering on about.

Your emotional diarrhea here is misdirected; in the post you are responding to, there is nothing about gun control. So why don't you arise from your lazy backside, move away from your reflexive Pavlovian responses, and go locate a post whereby I argue FOR gun control. What I have argued against is stupidity with guns which is what offends you so, too bad. I own, permitted to carry, doesn't mean I need to be an emotionally charged idiot about it.

If you'd actually critically and thoughtfully read my posts you would know that this tripe:

And what is your fetish? Unfettered control of the people by a government that when it is in a benevolent mode merely takes the hard earned money from one group to give to its slave class, but when feeling petulant is inclined to murder those whom the bureaucrats and politicians no longer deem useful? Is that your fetish?

is meaningless emotional reactionary hyberbole. And I might add this is exactly what your privatized prison system is for, the warehousing of human beings for profit in a post industrial society thaty no longer requires the labor force it once did.

Facts in evidence discount this socialist screed. Just sayin...

 

[westwall]

The world is awash in guns. Has always been, will always be.

Map of civilian guns per capita by country from the Small Arms Survey 2007.
​

"Awash" in guns? "The world?" I hardly call 10 or fewer guns per 100 individuals "awash." Have you looked at the populations of China and India compared to that of the U.S? Have you considered the land area of the U.S. compared to the combined area that of most of Asia, including Russia, China, India, most of Africa, and most of South America? No, the world is not awash in guns; the U.S. is.

Moreover, the rate of gun ownership has gradually declined in the modern era, falling from ~47% in the early 1970s to 31% in 2014. The decline has been attributed to there being fewer hunters (presumably because hunting is either a less popular recreation or it is less necessary) in the 21st century than there were in the early-late 20th century.

What a cute map that means absolutely nothing. Here is your so called paradise of Somalia.. Look at that nice pale blue color as opposed to the dark, dark, evil, black color of the USA. That entire map of Africa is a ridiculous lie as anyone who has even cared to look at a news report knows. So, why do you post up a map that is blatantly false?


Somalia: Warlords, Pirates and the Politics of Morass

Breaking News, Analysis, Politics, Blogs, News Photos, Video, Tech Reviews - TIME.com

 

[Fenton Lum]

The world is awash in guns. Has always been, will always be.

Map of civilian guns per capita by country from the Small Arms Survey 2007.
​

"Awash" in guns? "The world?" I hardly call 10 or fewer guns per 100 individuals "awash." Have you looked at the populations of China and India compared to that of the U.S? Have you considered the land area of the U.S. compared to the combined area that of most of Asia, including Russia, China, India, most of Africa, and most of South America? No, the world is not awash in guns; the U.S. is.

Moreover, the rate of gun ownership has gradually declined in the modern era, falling from ~47% in the early 1970s to 31% in 2014. The decline has been attributed to there being fewer hunters (presumably because hunting is either a less popular recreation or it is less necessary) in the 21st century than there were in the early-late 20th century.

What a cute map that means absolutely nothing. Here is your so called paradise of Somalia.. Look at that nice pale blue color as opposed to the dark, dark, evil, black color of the USA. That entire map of Africa is a ridiculous lie as anyone who has even cared to look at a news report knows. So, why do you post up a map that is blatantly false?


Somalia: Warlords, Pirates and the Politics of Morass

Breaking News, Analysis, Politics, Blogs, News Photos, Video, Tech Reviews - TIME.com

Funny how folks who wail endlessly about the "liberal MSM" turn to it for external validation of/about places they've never been and things they'll never question or leave home to go learn about first hand.

 

[westwall]

The world is awash in guns. Has always been, will always be.

Map of civilian guns per capita by country from the Small Arms Survey 2007.
​

"Awash" in guns? "The world?" I hardly call 10 or fewer guns per 100 individuals "awash." Have you looked at the populations of China and India compared to that of the U.S? Have you considered the land area of the U.S. compared to the combined area that of most of Asia, including Russia, China, India, most of Africa, and most of South America? No, the world is not awash in guns; the U.S. is.

Moreover, the rate of gun ownership has gradually declined in the modern era, falling from ~47% in the early 1970s to 31% in 2014. The decline has been attributed to there being fewer hunters (presumably because hunting is either a less popular recreation or it is less necessary) in the 21st century than there were in the early-late 20th century.

What a cute map that means absolutely nothing. Here is your so called paradise of Somalia.. Look at that nice pale blue color as opposed to the dark, dark, evil, black color of the USA. That entire map of Africa is a ridiculous lie as anyone who has even cared to look at a news report knows. So, why do you post up a map that is blatantly false?


Somalia: Warlords, Pirates and the Politics of Morass

Breaking News, Analysis, Politics, Blogs, News Photos, Video, Tech Reviews - TIME.com

Funny how folks who wail endlessly about the "liberal MSM" turn to it for external validation of/about places they've never been and things they'll never question or leave home to go learn about first hand.

I have been to far more places, and lived in more third world poopholes, than you ever will sunshine. I speak from experience. You on the other hand must live your life vicariously through those who have done as I have. That's OK, most people don't get to travel as extensively as I have, most people don't get to enjoy the scent of dung pervading everywhere you walk. Heck, I would love to have not experienced some of those ripe old smells!

But the facts are the facts, the world is awash in guns. Your cute little graphs and maps are ridiculously false. When I was working in Africa the very first thing I would do after touching down was go pick up an AK or a G3 (I prefer the G3) and they cost about 50 bucks back then. And when I was leaving I would give them to whomever was my most reliable employee.

That IS the reality of the Third World.

 

[Fenton Lum]

The world is awash in guns. Has always been, will always be.

Map of civilian guns per capita by country from the Small Arms Survey 2007.
​

"Awash" in guns? "The world?" I hardly call 10 or fewer guns per 100 individuals "awash." Have you looked at the populations of China and India compared to that of the U.S? Have you considered the land area of the U.S. compared to the combined area that of most of Asia, including Russia, China, India, most of Africa, and most of South America? No, the world is not awash in guns; the U.S. is.

Moreover, the rate of gun ownership has gradually declined in the modern era, falling from ~47% in the early 1970s to 31% in 2014. The decline has been attributed to there being fewer hunters (presumably because hunting is either a less popular recreation or it is less necessary) in the 21st century than there were in the early-late 20th century.

What a cute map that means absolutely nothing. Here is your so called paradise of Somalia.. Look at that nice pale blue color as opposed to the dark, dark, evil, black color of the USA. That entire map of Africa is a ridiculous lie as anyone who has even cared to look at a news report knows. So, why do you post up a map that is blatantly false?


Somalia: Warlords, Pirates and the Politics of Morass

Breaking News, Analysis, Politics, Blogs, News Photos, Video, Tech Reviews - TIME.com

Funny how folks who wail endlessly about the "liberal MSM" turn to it for external validation of/about places they've never been and things they'll never question or leave home to go learn about first hand.

I have been to far more places, and lived in more third world poopholes, than you ever will sunshine. I speak from experience. You on the other hand must live your life vicariously through those who have done as I have. That's OK, most people don't get to travel as extensively as I have, most people don't get to enjoy the scent of dung pervading everywhere you walk. Heck, I would love to have not experienced some of those ripe old smells!

But the facts are the facts, the world is awash in guns. Your cute little graphs and maps are ridiculously false. When I was working in Africa the very first thing I would do after touching down was go pick up an AK or a G3 (I prefer the G3) and they cost about 50 bucks back then. And when I was leaving I would give them to whomever was my most reliable employee.

That IS the reality of the Third World.

Uh, they are not my graphs/maps you pompous pathetic little ass. The world is awash in guns, the world is awash in guns, the world is awash in guns, repeat mindlessly. And I have a few of them, so? Wtf are you going on about, hell, you don’t even know. I have no doubt at all that everywhere you walk you smell dung, rightly so, with your sanctimonious oh-I've-done-so-much-more-than-these -mortals bullshit. You don't have any fucking clue where anyone's been on here, and we have no reason to believe your narrow minded ass has been anywhere - that usually affords one some semblance of enlightenment, and you exhibit none. Forget information, we have your wonderful little anecdotes to go on.