When was the last time you changed your mind about something politically important and admitted it?

[Anathema]

That's a rather nihilist sentiment.

Look at where we were 100 Years ago compared to today. Think about us 1,000 years. The Dark Ages were called that for a reason. 2,000 Years ago, Rome had more slaves in the City than citizens. Before then, Greece, Persia, Egypt......

I'd say we've come a long way. A real long way.

The problem you're having, along with several Billion others, is you let The Perfect be the enemy of The Good.

We are Human, therefore we are imperfect.

dimocrap scum keep trying to create a Utopian Earth, a Utopian Society........ With them in charge, of course. How else can it succeed? Without the wise and highly moral (they are, just ask them) guidance of the scummiest scumbags in Human History, themselves, we are bound to fail.

I believe Western Society is inherently good. dimocraps, OTOH, are scum.

With that in mind, we can create a GOOD society,. Not perfect. We will never be perfect. But we can be good. And we can continue on 'Good' until we become so Good....... Give it a couple Billion years, we;ll get there

The ability to create a GOOD human society is long gone. We were closer to Good 100 years ago. Even closer 1000 years ago. Likely even close 2000 years ago. Technology and what it brings with it has destroyed our society.

 

[Anathema]

That's a rather nihilist sentiment.

Look at where we were 100 Years ago compared to today. Think about us 1,000 years. The Dark Ages were called that for a reason. 2,000 Years ago, Rome had more slaves in the City than citizens. Before then, Greece, Persia, Egypt......

I'd say we've come a long way. A real long way.

The problem you're having, along with several Billion others, is you let The Perfect be the enemy of The Good.

We are Human, therefore we are imperfect.

dimocrap scum keep trying to create a Utopian Earth, a Utopian Society........ With them in charge, of course. How else can it succeed? Without the wise and highly moral (they are, just ask them) guidance of the scummiest scumbags in Human History, themselves, we are bound to fail.

I believe Western Society is inherently good. dimocraps, OTOH, are scum.

With that in mind, we can create a GOOD society,. Not perfect. We will never be perfect. But we can be good. And we can continue on 'Good' until we become so Good....... Give it a couple Billion years, we;ll get there

The ability to create a GOOD human society is long gone. We were closer to Good 100 years ago. Even closer 1000 years ago. Likely even close 2000 years ago. Technology and what it brings with it has destroyed our sorry

 

[Independent thinker]

Think back.

Not just something minor or trendy. Something you genuinely believed until you didn’t.

If that hasn’t happened in a long time, maybe you’ve stopped thinking. Most people don’t grow. They just settle into a political costume and call it wisdom.

They pick a side, inherit the script, memorize the heroes, and build their identity around never questioning it again, but if your views never evolve, maybe your values aren’t values; they’re habits.

If you can’t remember the last time you were wrong, then you’re probably still wrong about something right now.

I sincerely regret not voting for Trump in 2016. I didn't vote for Hillary but I believed at the time she was a shoe in to win so I wrote in someone instead of voting for Trump. I wasn't a big Trump fan. After I realized that the election was close and my actions could have theoretically led to Hillary winning, I regretted my vote afterwards.

 

[Mac-7]

Now I realize for many, it’s inherited, cemented, and then guarded with righteous emotion to avoid ever having to confront how little of it was chosen. So yes, I’ve been wrong.

So its all our fault that more people do not fall into lockstep with your perfect and superior ideas?

Shame on us, huh?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Think back.

Not just something minor or trendy. Something you genuinely believed until you didn’t.

If that hasn’t happened in a long time, maybe you’ve stopped thinking. Most people don’t grow. They just settle into a political costume and call it wisdom.

They pick a side, inherit the script, memorize the heroes, and build their identity around never questioning it again, but if your views never evolve, maybe your values aren’t values; they’re habits.

If you can’t remember the last time you were wrong, then you’re probably still wrong about something right now.

March. On the tariffs.

 

[Anomalism]

So its all our fault that more people do not fall into lockstep with your perfect and superior ideas?

Shame on us, huh?

You've interpreted my call for reflection as judgment or superiority, which isn’t what I'm saying at all.

I’m not saying anyone is better or worse. I’m saying all of us, myself included, carry beliefs we didn’t fully choose or question, and that’s human. The only way forward is recognizing that together, not pretending any of us started out with perfect ideas. This isn’t about blame or superiority. It’s about honesty and growth. That’s the conversation I want to have.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I voted for Trump. I thought he could be trusted. The covering up of the Epstein list (so far anyway) has changed my mind about him. Of course there were other things that pushed me towards this direction, but I cannot rationalize defending Trump on every single issue like I used to. There is a lot I support about his actions, but the man himself is a walking scandal.

So, I've had a fundamental shift about how I see things. Instead of seeing him as some martyr like I used to - I see him as just another swamp creature.

How do you cover up something was never even proven to exist? Who saw this "list"? Was it found in a search by the FBI? Did the NY FBI destroy whatever they might have found to protect people on the list? You would have to ask the FBI under the Biden administration. They had the files.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I don't see any real possibility of him hiding the list, if there wasn't some implication of him or other powerful figures involved. If Trump found that Obama and Biden deleted the list, why doesn't he just say that?

How would he prove that?

 

[JanetTheGreat]

How do you cover up something was never even proven to exist? Who saw this "list"? Was it found in a search by the FBI? Did the NY FBI destroy whatever they might have found to protect people on the list? You would have to ask the FBI under the Biden administration. They had the files.

Man, you really have your head in the sand over this don't you?

 

[JanetTheGreat]

How would he prove that?

By releasing it.

 

[Foxfyre]

At some point in this thread I got the feeling you felt attacked too. If you don't already, you should know that same as Correll, my inquiry is rooted in respect for your intelligence.

Well thank you but you really don't come cross that way. You need to learn to communicate without the judgmentalism.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Man, you really have your head in the sand over this don't you?

No, I think Biden's FBI is guilty of fomenting the "list" either when they never had it or when they destroyed it to make fools of the incoming administration. Apparently with most of you, that has been accomplished.

 

[Anomalism]

Well thank you but you really don't come cross that way. You need to learn to communicate without the judgmentalism.

Well, for what it's worth, I never judged you negatively. I judged you as human, same as me.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

By releasing it.

Releasing something that doesn't exist? How?

 

[ColonelAngus]

And yet people like me who talk with LOTS of healthcare professionals believe the vax has saved many many millions more people from serious illness, long lasting or permanent side effects or death than the occasional person who may have had a disastrous side effect. I think it is just as wrong to scare people into not getting the jab as it is wrong to force people to get it.

Put as good information out there as is available and let people decide for themselves.

But it is very difficult to change people's thinking/beliefs on that too once they've take an intractable position.

Blood clots.



It is insane to me that people chose politics over health.

Many of Those who are vax damaged will not admit it.

So sad.

 

[ColonelAngus]

And yet people like me who talk with LOTS of healthcare professionals believe the vax has saved many many millions more people from serious illness, long lasting or permanent side effects or death than the occasional person who may have had a disastrous side effect. I think it is just as wrong to scare people into not getting the jab as it is wrong to force people to get it.

Put as good information out there as is available and let people decide for themselves.

But it is very difficult to change people's thinking/beliefs on that too once they've take an intractable position.

You are Dr Drew.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Really? Have you ever thought to kick the ass of whoever taught you that? Because change is the essential element of seeking the truth. Change is part of the scientific process. As you hone in on an idea or topic and gain more information and perspective, change is the one inescapable element of truth and learning.

The most highly suspect people whether they are scientists or politicians are those whose views on things never change no matter how much time, info or events pass by them.

Someone who never changes their position is the sure sign of someone who never had their foot on reality, truth, nor facts in the first place.

Everything in the universe changes except one thing: stupidity. Just as a plane or ship makes numerous small course corrections as they near their target and get closer to their destination seeing it more clearly and in better detail, so does a person's viewpoints change as they grow older, more experienced and more informed.

Comparing change to "compromise" is an ignorant assertion, as staying aligned with the truth and facts as you best know them is the hallmark of intellectual honestly, not compromise.

If you don't think we need to grow and continually learn, then it sounds like you think we're all perfect humans and everything we have ever believed since birth has been the objective truth, and our perceptions or understanding on all ideas are always 100% correct. I mean, come on... that is beyond absurd. I don't want to put words in your mouth but only a perfect person doesn't need to grow, learn anything new or be introspective. Are you perfect?

Don’t forget what we’re really talking about here, what this thread is actually premised on. We’re talking about societal ‘change’. The OP framed it as something different but we know what his aim was all along. ‘Change’ to build a better nation for it’s core people is always good, ‘change’ to regress or to accommodate ‘new comers’ or unconventional folks is never a good thing…do so and end up with what we have now…A shit nation full of people who hate each-other because they’re too different. Change must always be organic and compelled by a nations core people….Likemindedness builds great nations, we proved that by building the greatest most exceptional nation on the planet in a short 150 years….We have swiftly slid down the shitter as The Great Experiment has finally taken its toll.
Diversity in this context is NEVER a strength…it is ALWAYS the cause of demise.

Anomalism

 

[BrokeLoser]

You've interpreted my call for reflection as judgment or superiority, which isn’t what I'm saying at all.

I’m not saying anyone is better or worse. I’m saying all of us, myself included, carry beliefs we didn’t fully choose or question, and that’s human. The only way forward is recognizing that together, not pretending any of us started out with perfect ideas. This isn’t about blame or superiority. It’s about honesty and growth. That’s the conversation I want to have.

The sentiment you’ve echoed throughout this thread is one that is noble, it looks real good on paper…it simply can’t/doesn’t work in practice.
The whole “can’t we all just get along” stuff is just warm and fuzzy jive-talk. We humans are as tribal as any animal in the animal kingdom and we all PREFER to reside among those like us (skin color matters not)…We’ve always been that way and we’ll always be that way.
You’ve made it crystal clear; you have high hopes of encouraging conventional core Americans into bending, compromising and or changing their ideals to ‘fit in’ the unconventionals.
We tried that for decades and they shit in our face….We pretended homosexuality is something normal, we looked the other way and let millions of illegals traverse our border, we let immoral indecent weirdos push God out of our classrooms….Now they vilify caucasians, the English language, western culture, they vilify Christianity, they want us to pretend men can become women by proclamation, they beg for free shit, they think they’re entitled to free shit, they tell us we need to move closer to socialism, they call us colonizers, they say we have no right to sovereignty…I could go on and on….Tell us, how has ‘compromising’ worked out for the core conventional folks?

 

[Anomalism]

Don’t forget what we’re really talking about here, what this thread is actually premised on. We’re talking about societal ‘change’. The OP framed it as something different but we know what his aim was all along. ‘Change’ to build a better nation for it’s core people is always good, ‘change’ to regress or to accommodate ‘new comers’ or unconventional folks is never a good thing…do so and end up with what we have now…A shit nation full of people who hate each-other because they’re too different. Change must always be organic and compelled by a nations core people….Likemindedness builds great nations, we proved that by building the greatest most exceptional nation on the planet in a short 150 years….We have swiftly slid down the shitter as The Great Experiment has finally taken its toll.
Diversity in this context is NEVER a strength…it is ALWAYS the cause of demise.

Anomalism

You’re committed to protecting what you see as the “core” of the nation, but who exactly defines that core? Who decides who belongs and who doesn’t? History shows us time and again that the “core people” have never been a fixed, pure group. It's always a moving target.

You say diversity is the cause of demise, but is it diversity itself or the refusal to adapt and accept change that’s the real threat? Nations don’t fall apart because people are different; they fall apart when they refuse to accept those differences, treating change as betrayal. Exceptionalism isn’t about sameness. It’s about resilience, the ability to grow stronger by embracing challenge, not weakening by fearing it. If “like-mindedness” built this nation, why did so many different voices, backgrounds, and ideas have to fight tooth and nail to be included in its story?

Maybe it’s time to question not what is changing, but why we cling to a narrow vision of “us."

 

[Anomalism]

The sentiment you’ve echoed throughout this thread is one that is noble, it looks real good on paper…it simply can’t/doesn’t work in practice.
The whole “can’t we all just get along” stuff is just warm and fuzzy jive-talk. We humans are as tribal as any animal in the animal kingdom and we all PREFER to reside among those like us (skin color matters not)…We’ve always been that way and we’ll always be that way.
You’ve made it crystal clear; you have high hopes of encouraging conventional core Americans into bending, compromising and or changing their ideals to ‘fit in’ the unconventionals.
We tried that for decades and they shit in our face….We pretended homosexuality is something normal, we looked the other way and let millions of illegals traverse our border, we let immoral indecent weirdos push God out of our classrooms….Now they vilify caucasians, the English language, western culture, they vilify Christianity, they want us to pretend men can become women by proclamation, they beg for free shit, they think they’re entitled to free shit, they tell us we need to move closer to socialism, they call us colonizers, they say we have no right to sovereignty…I could go on and on….Tell us, how has ‘compromising’ worked out for the core conventional folks?

Are you clinging to tribal myths and fear-drenched resentments, mistaking them for strength? Slapping insults on those you disagree with doesn’t stop change; it only exposes your refusal to confront reality. The “core” you revere is a fantasy built on exclusion and nostalgia. The truth is, we’re already here; these people aren’t going anywhere. Fighting this tide is like trying to dam a river with your hands. Real power isn’t about preserving some imagined purity; it’s about adapting or dying. If you think doubling down on hate and division is strength, you’ve missed how quickly history wipes out those who refuse to evolve.