being a NAZARITE----does not remove one from being a PHARISEE----nazarite is just a special vow to follow some special restrictions. I do not see how anyone can conclude that Jesus was NOT a Pharisee. He was entirely consistent with
Pharisee-------socialized with Pharisees and did what Pharisees were supposed to do. ------he just did not display the EVIL CHARACTERISTICS that the Romans who hated the Pharisees _------ASCRIBED TO THEM. For an example of INTRASECT----hatreds that can develope "LATER" ie after a schism-----consider THOMAS CROMWELL--------he was not BORN AN ANGLICAN----He was a baptized CATHOLIC (I believe) ----but he got all excited over PERSECUTING
anything catholic because catholics had resisted the repudiation of the POWER OF
ROME--------------in the NT----the persons who trash the Pharisees-----either new Christians who ---some of them putative jew------who, very much, resent the repudiation of ROMAN DOMINION in Judea. ------and that's about it. Mark
is OBVIOUSLY an apologist for ROMAN RULE----and an ANTI PHARISEE MAN
I understand a Jew could have been both. But having discussed with two Jews (one who is proud to be a Pharisee), here is why they doubted Jesus ever would have been a Pharisee. First, Jesus wasn't concerned about dietary law. Second, the Gospels record times when Jesus healed on the Sabbath--even when such a healing could have waited--i.e., it was not life threatening. There was a third reason as well, but at the moment I can't recall for sure what it was. It may have been equating himself with God.
true if you take the Constantine version and the writings of undetermined persons who never met Jesus -------other than in imagination or dreams. Healing on Sabbath is not contraindicated------I know orthodox (Pharisee) jews who do it all the time
Today there are exceptions for ZAKA (both jews on saturday and muslims on friday), life saving, child birth, police and fire fighters, etc. Hospitals have to maintain minimal staff but no scheduled surgeries, only ER, for the orthodox.
Simple "healing" waits till the next day. Others will usually be scheduled for Saturday work leaving orthodox their day off.
There are exceptions for things like milking animals so they are not in pain, but the milk is not used. If possible, a non-jews is hired for the job. It is not always a universal agreement about what is and is not allowed by farmers.
all true-----SO? the concept is NOT NEW in Judaism and ---FOR THE PHARISEE WAY OF THINKING ----even back then---ANY REASON IS GOOD ENOUGH----
even in Brooklyn. I have to be honest----I never knew that one could not drink
the milk from the goat if it got squirted out on Saturday-----I will ask my sister-in-law----she was the best milker in hubby's sibship ------from a really hard core PHARISEE family. An interesting thinga-majig from the Talmud is---if you do some activity proscribed on Saturday for ----reason-----one does it in a slightly aberrant manner----
From memory (really remote memory) I recall from the NT----that Jesus told some
recently cured person at "Bethesda"----to carry his little mattress "under his arm"---
as he left the area on Saturday.-----this advice relates to "how to carry things on Saturday" from the Talmud---a very Pharisee idea----- (all very remote memory and knda casual reading on my part---don't quote me)
not supposed to carry, straighten the sheets, wipe the floor, so the dishes.....
different sect treat the rules in their own way, it is not consistent across all jews
NY had parks that were exceptions so they could walk the dog, take the kids to play, push a pram. Used to be marked by color ribbons or threads.
Now houses can run on a timer or computer by voice, floors wash themselves, phones can be answered by voice, dogs can be walked on a tread mill, there are even house robots that fetch and carry and other odd jobs on voice command.
Babies still need to be diapered and fed the old fashion way. Elderly, ill, mothers and children are exempt.
