When it's Over You'll Have Nothing That you Want

[Pogo]

by Garrison Keillor:

>> When you came to Manhattan 40 years ago, you discovered that in entertainment, the press, politics, finance, everywhere you went, you ran into Jews, and they are not like you: Jews didn't go in for big yachts and a fleet of aircraft — they showed off by way of philanthropy or by raising brilliant offspring. They sympathized with the civil rights movement. In Queens, blacks were a threat to property values — they belonged in the Bronx, not down the street. To the Times, Queens is Cleveland. Bush league. You are Queens. The casinos were totally Queens, the gold faucets in your triplex, the bragging, the insults, but you wanted to be liked by Those People.

Running for president is your last bid for the respect of Manhattan. If you were to win election, they couldn't ridicule you anymore. They could be horrified, but there is nothing ridiculous about being Leader of the Free World. You have B-52 bombers at your command. When you go places, a battalion of security guys comb the environs. You attract really really good speechwriters who give you Churchillian cadences and toss in quotes from Emerson and Aeschylus and Ecclesiastes. <<
​

Fairly astute summation of motivations -- not unlike Shrub running and then starting a war just to best his Daddy

Psychology is fascinating, since it seems when political parties send their candidates, they're not sending their best ---- they're sending people with lots of problems.

​

Same page:

>> ... The cap does not look good on you, it's a duffer's cap, and when you come to the microphone, you look like the warm-up guy, the guy who announces the license number of the car left in the parking lot, doors locked, lights on, motor running. The brim shadows your face, which gives a sinister look, as if you'd come to town to announce the closing of the pulp factory. << ​

 

[Dr.Traveler]

I generally dislike pop psych as a way to analyze public figures. But Garrison does nail something there: What does Trump get if he wins?

Legitimacy? He's discounted the idea of the integrity of the system so there's no validation there.
Respect? He's going to start with his own party ready to battle him in the halls of Congress and his best case scenario is half the voters against him.
A Legacy? Half the stuff he's proposed can't be enacted, the other half won't.

There really isn't much in it for Trump if he wins or loses. And for his followers there's even less. The White House is the ultimate trap for a person like Trump. He has a better chance of changing the US from outside the office than he does in and once in, he's going to be scrutinized every single day for every thing he does.

 

[Dale Smith]

I generally dislike pop psych as a way to analyze public figures. But Garrison does nail something there: What does Trump get if he wins?

Legitimacy? He's discounted the idea of the integrity of the system so there's no validation there.
Respect? He's going to start with his own party ready to battle him in the halls of Congress and his best case scenario is half the voters against him.
A Legacy? Half the stuff he's proposed can't be enacted, the other half won't.

There really isn't much in it for Trump if he wins or loses. And for his followers there's even less. The White House is the ultimate trap for a person like Trump. He has a better chance of changing the US from outside the office than he does in and once in, he's going to be scrutinized every single day for every thing he does.

USA.INC is a corporate entity ran by international bankers. Politics is nothing but theater. There has been no huge policy shift (or even an attempt at one) since JFK. The puppet masters that pull the strings need the dumbed down masses to believe that they are just one election cycle away from changing the course of America. We had 8 years of "hope and change" and nothing has gotten better and the debt to these international bankers that own it has doubled. The debt slaves are f---ked big time......

 

[Ringel05]

by Garrison Keillor:

>> When you came to Manhattan 40 years ago, you discovered that in entertainment, the press, politics, finance, everywhere you went, you ran into Jews, and they are not like you: Jews didn't go in for big yachts and a fleet of aircraft — they showed off by way of philanthropy or by raising brilliant offspring. They sympathized with the civil rights movement. In Queens, blacks were a threat to property values — they belonged in the Bronx, not down the street. To the Times, Queens is Cleveland. Bush league. You are Queens. The casinos were totally Queens, the gold faucets in your triplex, the bragging, the insults, but you wanted to be liked by Those People.

Running for president is your last bid for the respect of Manhattan. If you were to win election, they couldn't ridicule you anymore. They could be horrified, but there is nothing ridiculous about being Leader of the Free World. You have B-52 bombers at your command. When you go places, a battalion of security guys comb the environs. You attract really really good speechwriters who give you Churchillian cadences and toss in quotes from Emerson and Aeschylus and Ecclesiastes. <<
​

Fairly astute summation of motivations -- not unlike Shrub running and then starting a war just to best his Daddy

Psychology is fascinating, since it seems when political parties send their candidates, they're not sending their best ---- they're sending people with lots of problems.

​

Same page:

>> ... The cap does not look good on you, it's a duffer's cap, and when you come to the microphone, you look like the warm-up guy, the guy who announces the license number of the car left in the parking lot, doors locked, lights on, motor running. The brim shadows your face, which gives a sinister look, as if you'd come to town to announce the closing of the pulp factory. << ​

Dayamn Pogo! It appears you have also succumbed to politicalosis.......... Alas.

 

[irosie91]

I generally dislike pop psych as a way to analyze public figures. But Garrison does nail something there: What does Trump get if he wins?

Legitimacy? He's discounted the idea of the integrity of the system so there's no validation there.
Respect? He's going to start with his own party ready to battle him in the halls of Congress and his best case scenario is half the voters against him.
A Legacy? Half the stuff he's proposed can't be enacted, the other half won't.

There really isn't much in it for Trump if he wins or loses. And for his followers there's even less. The White House is the ultimate trap for a person like Trump. He has a better chance of changing the US from outside the office than he does in and once in, he's going to be scrutinized every single day for every thing he does.

good point-----Trump should be secretary of state------or do what Klown Kerry is SUPPOSED to do -----whatever that is

 

[Pogo]

by Garrison Keillor:

>> When you came to Manhattan 40 years ago, you discovered that in entertainment, the press, politics, finance, everywhere you went, you ran into Jews, and they are not like you: Jews didn't go in for big yachts and a fleet of aircraft — they showed off by way of philanthropy or by raising brilliant offspring. They sympathized with the civil rights movement. In Queens, blacks were a threat to property values — they belonged in the Bronx, not down the street. To the Times, Queens is Cleveland. Bush league. You are Queens. The casinos were totally Queens, the gold faucets in your triplex, the bragging, the insults, but you wanted to be liked by Those People.

Running for president is your last bid for the respect of Manhattan. If you were to win election, they couldn't ridicule you anymore. They could be horrified, but there is nothing ridiculous about being Leader of the Free World. You have B-52 bombers at your command. When you go places, a battalion of security guys comb the environs. You attract really really good speechwriters who give you Churchillian cadences and toss in quotes from Emerson and Aeschylus and Ecclesiastes. <<
​

Fairly astute summation of motivations -- not unlike Shrub running and then starting a war just to best his Daddy

Psychology is fascinating, since it seems when political parties send their candidates, they're not sending their best ---- they're sending people with lots of problems.

​

Same page:

>> ... The cap does not look good on you, it's a duffer's cap, and when you come to the microphone, you look like the warm-up guy, the guy who announces the license number of the car left in the parking lot, doors locked, lights on, motor running. The brim shadows your face, which gives a sinister look, as if you'd come to town to announce the closing of the pulp factory. << ​

Dayamn Pogo! It appears you have also succumbed to politicalosis.......... Alas.

Not at all -- I'm in it for the psychology. You gotta admit, there's more of it in this round than we've seen in at least fifty years.

-- and don't call me alas in public. Far as anyone knows I'm alad.

 

[Pogo]

I generally dislike pop psych as a way to analyze public figures. But Garrison does nail something there: What does Trump get if he wins?

Legitimacy? He's discounted the idea of the integrity of the system so there's no validation there.
Respect? He's going to start with his own party ready to battle him in the halls of Congress and his best case scenario is half the voters against him.
A Legacy? Half the stuff he's proposed can't be enacted, the other half won't.

There really isn't much in it for Trump if he wins or loses. And for his followers there's even less. The White House is the ultimate trap for a person like Trump. He has a better chance of changing the US from outside the office than he does in and once in, he's going to be scrutinized every single day for every thing he does.

I've said all along I don't think he wants the job at all; I think he just wants the attention that comes with the run. Day after Election Day all of that goes away regardless who won, and either way he loses. In a real sense actually winning the job would be even worse since he's then tied down to off-the-record meetings where he can't perform in character and dedicating the new building for the Bureau of Putting Things on Top of Other Things. Plus, he'd be shouldering actual responsibility for the first time ever in his life.

That's why it seems like he's deliberately trying to throw the fight. He knows his objective is finite and has an end date. After that it becomes actual work, if it becomes anything at all.

 

[turzovka]

I know nothing about Garrison Keiller, but this particular excerpt impresses me not. No, I cannot say with any certainty what Trump’s motivations were for seeking the presidency but neither can Keiller. As it is, none of that makes the least bit of sense to me. You and Keiller so want to reduce anything good in Trump to ego --- nothing more, nothing less.

That’s just stupid. Trump can manufacture enough projects and news to massage his ego without ever having to assume the insane trials of a president and basically sacrificing the rest of his life in so doing. This is not about ego. It is about Trump looking at how phony Washington is, both parties. He knows the American people have been played for fools since who knows when?... three decades or more perhaps. He knows he can command an audience and because of his audacious ways and bravado, he believed he could actually inspire a silent majority into becoming angry and vocal and attempt to do the impossible, i.e. change the way this nation is being run by self-centered corrupt administrations and career loving congressmen.

That is why he did it. He is sick to see how America has fallen and is being manipulated.

Unfortunately, I think Trump thinks too highly of himself. He does not appear to be that intelligent. He either does not care how he self destructs his own goals or he does not realize it. He does not impress me how he answers questions in interviews. It becomes more apparent as we go along. My hope is that if he wins he will be smart enough to surround himself with experts on every issue and defer to their opinions. I really do not think he will do anything rash against the wishes of his confidants ---- unlike the current zero in the oval office.

This is a bad scene lining up no matter who wins. This nation is going down irrespective. But between Trump and Hillary is an abyss an ocean wide. How anyone can vote for the sick selfish woman immersed in lies, deception and crimes is beyond me. She is poison. But no worse than Barack.

 

[irosie91]

by Garrison Keillor:

>> When you came to Manhattan 40 years ago, you discovered that in entertainment, the press, politics, finance, everywhere you went, you ran into Jews, and they are not like you: Jews didn't go in for big yachts and a fleet of aircraft — they showed off by way of philanthropy or by raising brilliant offspring. They sympathized with the civil rights movement. In Queens, blacks were a threat to property values — they belonged in the Bronx, not down the street. To the Times, Queens is Cleveland. Bush league. You are Queens. The casinos were totally Queens, the gold faucets in your triplex, the bragging, the insults, but you wanted to be liked by Those People.

Running for president is your last bid for the respect of Manhattan. If you were to win election, they couldn't ridicule you anymore. They could be horrified, but there is nothing ridiculous about being Leader of the Free World. You have B-52 bombers at your command. When you go places, a battalion of security guys comb the environs. You attract really really good speechwriters who give you Churchillian cadences and toss in quotes from Emerson and Aeschylus and Ecclesiastes. <<
​

Fairly astute summation of motivations -- not unlike Shrub running and then starting a war just to best his Daddy

Psychology is fascinating, since it seems when political parties send their candidates, they're not sending their best ---- they're sending people with lots of problems.

​

Same page:

>> ... The cap does not look good on you, it's a duffer's cap, and when you come to the microphone, you look like the warm-up guy, the guy who announces the license number of the car left in the parking lot, doors locked, lights on, motor running. The brim shadows your face, which gives a sinister look, as if you'd come to town to announce the closing of the pulp factory. << ​

Dayamn Pogo! It appears you have also succumbed to politicalosis.......... Alas.

Not at all -- I'm in it for the psychology. You gotta admit, there's more of it in this round than we've seen in at least fifty years.

-- and don't call me alas in public. Far as anyone knows I'm alad.

so true Pogo dear-------and you are Diagnostic Dilemma of the month

 

[irosie91]

I generally dislike pop psych as a way to analyze public figures. But Garrison does nail something there: What does Trump get if he wins?

Legitimacy? He's discounted the idea of the integrity of the system so there's no validation there.
Respect? He's going to start with his own party ready to battle him in the halls of Congress and his best case scenario is half the voters against him.
A Legacy? Half the stuff he's proposed can't be enacted, the other half won't.

There really isn't much in it for Trump if he wins or loses. And for his followers there's even less. The White House is the ultimate trap for a person like Trump. He has a better chance of changing the US from outside the office than he does in and once in, he's going to be scrutinized every single day for every thing he does.

I've said all along I don't think he wants the job at all; I think he just wants the attention that comes with the run. Day after Election Day all of that goes away regardless who won, and either way he loses. In a real sense actually winning the job would be even worse since he's then tied down to off-the-record meetings where he can't perform in character and dedicating the new building for the Bureau of Putting Things on Top of Other Things. Plus, he'd be shouldering actual responsibility for the first time ever in his life.

That's why it seems like he's deliberately trying to throw the fight. He knows his objective is finite and has an end date. After that it becomes actual work, if it becomes anything at all.

OK lets see that happens------maybe you are right------
VOTE TRUMP !!!!!!!!
<just for fun>

 

[OldLady]

by Garrison Keillor:

>> When you came to Manhattan 40 years ago, you discovered that in entertainment, the press, politics, finance, everywhere you went, you ran into Jews, and they are not like you: Jews didn't go in for big yachts and a fleet of aircraft — they showed off by way of philanthropy or by raising brilliant offspring. They sympathized with the civil rights movement. In Queens, blacks were a threat to property values — they belonged in the Bronx, not down the street. To the Times, Queens is Cleveland. Bush league. You are Queens. The casinos were totally Queens, the gold faucets in your triplex, the bragging, the insults, but you wanted to be liked by Those People.

Running for president is your last bid for the respect of Manhattan. If you were to win election, they couldn't ridicule you anymore. They could be horrified, but there is nothing ridiculous about being Leader of the Free World. You have B-52 bombers at your command. When you go places, a battalion of security guys comb the environs. You attract really really good speechwriters who give you Churchillian cadences and toss in quotes from Emerson and Aeschylus and Ecclesiastes. <<
​

Fairly astute summation of motivations -- not unlike Shrub running and then starting a war just to best his Daddy

Psychology is fascinating, since it seems when political parties send their candidates, they're not sending their best ---- they're sending people with lots of problems.

​

Same page:

>> ... The cap does not look good on you, it's a duffer's cap, and when you come to the microphone, you look like the warm-up guy, the guy who announces the license number of the car left in the parking lot, doors locked, lights on, motor running. The brim shadows your face, which gives a sinister look, as if you'd come to town to announce the closing of the pulp factory. << ​

I adore Garrison Keillor; he's SMART. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Pogo]

I know nothing about Garrison Keiller, but this particular excerpt impresses me not. No, I cannot say with any certainty what Trump’s motivations were for seeking the presidency but neither can Keiller

Of course we can. We ALL can. We've got seventy years of very VERY public behavioral history. For free. Rump has made certain that we all have it. It's one thing he actually has accomplished superlatively.

Given that volume of material, plus that that behavior is as bizarre and psychotic as it has been, the history invites all kinds of psychoanalysis -- as you yourself are about to demonstrate.

As it is, none of that makes the least bit of sense to me. You and Keiller so want to reduce anything good in Trump to ego --- nothing more, nothing less.

What else has he got? He's never accomplished anything besides attention whoring; everything he owns was handed to him for nothing; he's never even held a job. Far as I can see there IS nothing more. That's why a delve into the "why" is of interest. As you yourself are about to demonstrate:

Unfortunately, I think Trump thinks too highly of himself. He does not appear to be that intelligent. He either does not care how he self destructs his own goals or he does not realize it. He does not impress me how he answers questions in interviews. It becomes more apparent as we go along.

Bingo. See? Anybody can play.

his is a bad scene lining up no matter who wins. This nation is going down irrespective. But between Trump and Hillary is an abyss an ocean wide. How anyone can vote for the sick selfish woman immersed in lies, deception and crimes is beyond me. She is poison. But no worse than Barack.

And again for the second time in one post you've contradicted yourself. On one hand, it's useless to analyze Rump's narcissism, on the other hand let's analyze Rump's narcissism. On the one hand either electoral choice spells "nation going down", on the other hand "no worse that Barack" -- and we're still here.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Please don't tell me that people think Hillary is any different.

 

[irosie91]

I know nothing about Garrison Keiller, but this particular excerpt impresses me not. No, I cannot say with any certainty what Trump’s motivations were for seeking the presidency but neither can Keiller

Of course we can. We ALL can. We've got seventy years of very VERY public behavioral history. For free. Rump has made certain that we all have it. It's one thing he actually has accomplished superlatively.

Given that volume of material, plus that that behavior is as bizarre and psychotic as it has been, the history invites all kinds of psychoanalysis -- as you yourself are about to demonstrate.

As it is, none of that makes the least bit of sense to me. You and Keiller so want to reduce anything good in Trump to ego --- nothing more, nothing less.

What else has he got? He's never accomplished anything besides attention whoring; everything he owns was handed to him for nothing; he's never even held a job. Far as I can see there IS nothing more. That's why a delve into the "why" is of interest. As you yourself are about to demonstrate:

Unfortunately, I think Trump thinks too highly of himself. He does not appear to be that intelligent. He either does not care how he self destructs his own goals or he does not realize it. He does not impress me how he answers questions in interviews. It becomes more apparent as we go along.

Bingo. See? Anybody can play.

you seem not to have noticed that you have described the
IDEAL POLITICAL LEADER-----according to PLATO
(read the damned "REPUBLIC"-----it is quite FASCIST)

 

[Pogo]

Please don't tell me that people think Hillary is any different.

All the way to Post 13 before Pogo's Law kicks in.

Y'all musta skipped yer coffee today.

 

[turzovka]

I know nothing about Garrison Keiller, but this particular excerpt impresses me not. No, I cannot say with any certainty what Trump’s motivations were for seeking the presidency but neither can Keiller

Of course we can. We ALL can. We've got seventy years of very VERY public behavioral history. For free. Rump has made certain that we all have it. It's one thing he actually has accomplished superlatively.

Given that volume of material, plus that that behavior is as bizarre and psychotic as it has been, the history invites all kinds of psychoanalysis -- as you yourself are about to demonstrate.

As it is, none of that makes the least bit of sense to me. You and Keiller so want to reduce anything good in Trump to ego --- nothing more, nothing less.

What else has he got? He's never accomplished anything besides attention whoring; everything he owns was handed to him for nothing; he's never even held a job. Far as I can see there IS nothing more. That's why a delve into the "why" is of interest. As you yourself are about to demonstrate:

Unfortunately, I think Trump thinks too highly of himself. He does not appear to be that intelligent. He either does not care how he self destructs his own goals or he does not realize it. He does not impress me how he answers questions in interviews. It becomes more apparent as we go along.

Bingo. See? Anybody can play.

you seem not to have noticed that you have described the
IDEAL POLITICAL LEADER-----according to PLATO
(read the damned "REPUBLIC"-----it is quite FASCIST)

Well I will have to take your word on what Plato said, time won't allow my curiosity with that.

Sorry, POGO, I think you and they are dead wrong. If this were about ego Trump would have made a serious push 4 or 8 years ago when he was more on top of his game, younger and more vigorous and strong, with many years ahead of him. Now he realizes he is in the twilight of his years of influence and all that ego thing has already run its course. Now he wants to do something of greater value with the influence he still has. He wants to help America be great again, believe it or not. That is far easier to conceive than wanting to be more famous. Ridiculous.

But as I said, he is not really very intelligent as I already alluded. That concerns me. Hillary terrifies me.
This why politics is merely of minor interest to me and why I would rather spend time praying and begging God for assistance.


NOTE: I REALLY SCEWED UP THIS POST. I THOUGHT ALL THOSE WORDS WERE ROSE'S WHILE NOW I SEE MOST WERE POGO'S. BUT I HAVE TO GO TO A MEETING AND LEAVE IT AS IS.

 

[irosie91]

I know nothing about Garrison Keiller, but this particular excerpt impresses me not. No, I cannot say with any certainty what Trump’s motivations were for seeking the presidency but neither can Keiller

Of course we can. We ALL can. We've got seventy years of very VERY public behavioral history. For free. Rump has made certain that we all have it. It's one thing he actually has accomplished superlatively.

Given that volume of material, plus that that behavior is as bizarre and psychotic as it has been, the history invites all kinds of psychoanalysis -- as you yourself are about to demonstrate.

As it is, none of that makes the least bit of sense to me. You and Keiller so want to reduce anything good in Trump to ego --- nothing more, nothing less.

What else has he got? He's never accomplished anything besides attention whoring; everything he owns was handed to him for nothing; he's never even held a job. Far as I can see there IS nothing more. That's why a delve into the "why" is of interest. As you yourself are about to demonstrate:

Unfortunately, I think Trump thinks too highly of himself. He does not appear to be that intelligent. He either does not care how he self destructs his own goals or he does not realize it. He does not impress me how he answers questions in interviews. It becomes more apparent as we go along.

Bingo. See? Anybody can play.

you seem not to have noticed that you have described the
IDEAL POLITICAL LEADER-----according to PLATO
(read the damned "REPUBLIC"-----it is quite FASCIST)

Well I will have to take your word on what Plato said, time won't allow my curiosity with that.

Sorry, Rosie, I think you and they are dead wrong. If this were about ego Trump would have made a serious push 4 or 8 years ago when he was more on top of his game, younger and more vigorous and strong, with many years ahead of him. Now he realizes he is in the twilight of his years of influence and all that ego thing has already run its course. Now he wants to do something of greater value with the influence he still has. He wants to help America be great again, believe it or not. That is far easier to conceive than wanting to be more famous. Ridiculous.

But as I said, he is not really very intelligent as I already alluded. That concerns me. Hillary terrifies me.
This why politics is merely of minor interest to me and why I would rather spend time praying and begging God for assistance.

Ok---you described the ideal political RULER of Plato's
republic once again------wealthy, smart, with nothing much
else on his mind. -----the book is really short. -----barely a book-----more like an essay ---if I remember correctly ---done as a dialogue.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Please don't tell me that people think Hillary is any different.

All the way to Post 13 before Pogo's Law kicks in.

Y'all musta skipped yer coffee today.

What is Pogo's law ?

That you don't need apples to apples ?

 

[Pogo]

Sorry, POGO, I think you and they are dead wrong. If this were about ego Trump would have made a serious push 4 or 8 years ago when he was more on top of his game, younger and more vigorous and strong, with many years ahead of him.

He's toyed with it for thirty years -- have you not been paying attention? Over and over and over he's dropped any kind of hint that would bring him what he always wants, what all Narcissists want and what he always will want as long as he carries that mental illness, and that is Attention. That's the whole ball game. Always was, always will be.

One of those toyings was sixteen years ago when he -- now famously -- denounced David Duke in no uncertain terms as wanting nothing to do with his being associated with the "Reform Party". A denouncement he suddenly and conveniently "forgot" all about when he claimed this year to "know nothing about David Duke or white supremacists" --- because to denounce them would have cost him too much support.

Now he realizes he is in the twilight of his years of influence and all that ego thing has already run its course.

It's more that the field of competition was so weak that he figured he finally had a chance. He didn't figure he had a shot against O'bama or Romney or McCain or either of the Bushes or Kerry or Al Gore or Bill Clinton or even Bob Dole. This year's field was so weak --- Ted Cruz of all creatures, really? --- that he figured this was his shot to be a big fish in a small pond.

And no, the ego thing has hardly run its course, and you owe me a new keyboard.
Not with this sophomoric shit going on ----

If that along with everything else -- the incessant whining about anyone who stops short of worship, the never-ending braggadocio about how his whatever is the biggest, greatest, grandest in the world, the abject failure to ever acknowledge any kind of failure, mistake, bankruptcy or bad judgment -- doesn't SCREAM "NPD", you're in complete denial.

Now he wants to do something of greater value with the influence he still has. He wants to help America be great again, believe it or not.

I don't.. And if you do I have many bridges for sale, after which I shall tell you a secret about the tooth fairy.
Why would a complete narcissist who's spent every waking moment of his life stroking Numero Uno at the expense of everybody around him, suddenly pull a 180? And when does it start?

Gullible's Travels...

That is far easier to conceive than wanting to be more famous. Ridiculous.

Left untreated, NPD doesn't go away. In the presence of enablers it gets worse. And what he's been doing for the last year is recruiting enablers. BIGLY time.

What astounds me is how strong the power of denial is to enable the gullible to not see what cannot possibly be more obvious.

 

[Pogo]

Please don't tell me that people think Hillary is any different.

All the way to Post 13 before Pogo's Law kicks in.

Y'all musta skipped yer coffee today.

What is Pogo's law ?

That you don't need apples to apples ?

I thought I had esplained this sufficiently by now.

"Given any thread about Donald Rump that declines to prostate itself in front of The Orange Shortfingered Vulgarian and go 'domini domini, I am not worthy', his drooling obedient sycophants will be on the scene forthwith to try to derail the topic to "Hillary Clinton", "Bill Clinton", "George Clinton", "George Clooney", "Rosemary Clooney", "Rosemary's Baby" or anything else they can think of, so as to deflect the Orange Sunshine of Scrutiny from their authoritarian Daddy figure to which they wank here daily".

--- something like that.

This thread cannot be more obviously about Rump specifically. Not "Hillary", not "Bernie" or "Ted" or "Little Marco", not about candidates in general. About Rump -- personally.

Stay on the topic.