Zone1 When Is A Baby Considered Alive?

I've been saying when they get a heartbeat for years but this guy makes a valid point. Plants are alive and they don't have heartbeats. They're alive because they're growing. So I guess a fetus can be alive in that sense.


A human is alive at the moment of conception. It’s growing at that point.
 
All that matters is what the law says. And that's up to individual States now.
 
When it's born.

According to the bible, and medical science.
Yes, a baby is alive when it is born (assuming it’s not a still birth).

It’s also alive before the birth.

According to the Bible, God knows us when we are in the womb.

Glad you’re admitting the Bible should be used as a source.
 
Yes, a baby is alive when it is born (assuming it’s not a still birth).

It’s also alive before the birth.

According to the Bible, God knows us when we are in the womb.

Glad you’re admitting the Bible should be used as a source.
We are not a Christian theocracy. So it doesn't matter what the Bible says about it.
 
So when the law said that slavery was acceptable, did that make slavery truly OK?
What was that law based on? I bet it was the Bible because this Bible God didn't have a problem with slavery.
 
Ok, thanks. So your statement "All that matters is what the law says." is not true. What matters is what the actual truth is, not what a man-made law says.
It is true in this country.
 
It is true in this country.

That doesn't even make sense. An actual truth is universal. In other words, true for everyone, regardless of where one lives or whether one believes it or not. In reality, killing babies in the womb is either right or wrong, it doesn't matter what any man-made laws say. And not that I want to get into a big debate on this at the moment, but to sum it up, the preborn baby is a human being, and killing innocent human beings is always wrong.
 
That doesn't even make sense. An actual truth is universal. In other words, true for everyone, regardless of where one lives or whether one believes it or not. In reality, killing babies in the womb is either right or wrong, it doesn't matter what any man-made laws say. And not that I want to get into a big debate on this at the moment, but to sum it up, the preborn baby is a human being, and killing innocent human beings is always wrong.
There is simply no consensus on the matter.
 
I used to be firmly pro abortion but after seeing close friends have them over the years and you know every single one of them regrets it still to this day, I’ve changed my mind a lot. It’s usually some guy making them get one. So like my politics have swung to the right, so has the abortion issue.. I'm not for banning abortions though.

If there is a heart beat it’s alive. If that is 6 weeks then maybe 6 or 9 weeks is the cut off point. Take the plan B pill the next day if you have unprotected sex and didn't have a condom.
 
Take the plan B pill the next day if you have unprotected sex and didn't have a condom.
The Democrats don't us to do that...they rely on future Democrats. If we stop having (unprotective) sex, there would be no Democrats...or Republicans - in the future.

(Yes, it is sarcasm...don't take it lightly.)
 
I used to be firmly pro abortion but after seeing close friends have them over the years and you know every single one of them regrets it still to this day, I’ve changed my mind a lot. It’s usually some guy making them get one. So like my politics have swung to the right, so has the abortion issue.. I'm not for banning abortions though.

If there is a heart beat it’s alive. If that is 6 weeks then maybe 6 or 9 weeks is the cut off point. Take the plan B pill the next day if you have unprotected sex and didn't have a condom.
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Nobody is FOR BANNING ABORTION. That's uninformed screaming leftist propaganda. I am, however, very glad I have the choice to live in a state where performing abortion is illegal. Makes me feel clean.

The rest of your post is well spoken. Thank you.


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It’s called a stethoscope.
Okay, but that isn't what I was talking about...there is a battery-operated machine-like device, they use to detect a heart beat. I think it's call Ultra-sound something.
 
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