That is what the socialists tell us.
When exactly does the Democrats' socialism kick in?
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A non-collegiate Leftist guide
Democracy + Private Ownership = Capitalism
Democracy + Public Ownership = Socialism
Dictatorship + Private Ownership = Fascism
Dictatorship + Public ownership = Communism
That's funny.I never hear guys like Bernie Sanders or
Cenk Uygur talk politics without yelling.Like they're
always mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore.
Take what.A chill-out pill maybe.
What? Can you put spaces between your sentences?
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You shouldn’t be so dismissive when you are wrong.
The means of producing law enforcement is controlled by the government.
The means of producing education is controlled by the government.
You shouldn't be so wrong when you're dismissive.
Trying to pretend that "We already have socialism, so we should have some more!" is disingenuous. As is most socialist propaganda.
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Government subsidies for billionaires are socialized, including bailouts:
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Rank Parent Subsidy Value Number of Awards 1 Boeing $15,496,865,703 958 2 Intel $8,421,707,656 135 3 Ford Motor $7,742,056,086 703 4 General Motors $7,524,714,800 792 5 Micron Technology $6,790,131,915 21 6 Amazon.com $5,823,705,434 460 7 Alcoa $5,727,691,764 134 8 Cheniere Energy $5,617,152,523 43 9 Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company) $4,820,110,112 74 10 Venture Global LNG $4,338,702,441 8 11 Texas Instruments $4,286,328,869 69 12 Volkswagen $3,977,630,513 217 13 Sempra Energy $3,828,022,782 51 14 NRG Energy $3,415,751,518 266 15 NextEra Energy $3,008,691,129 116 16 Sasol $2,836,049,845 72 17 Tesla Inc. $2,829,855,494 114 18 Stellantis $2,795,436,436 213 19 Walt Disney $2,543,219,673 265 20 Nucor $2,538,761,123 176 21 Iberdrola $2,380,558,984 110 22 Rivian Automotive Inc. $2,364,054,012 7 23 Hyundai Motor $2,349,743,470 18 24 Oracle $2,272,418,288 96 25 Shell PLC $2,211,676,001 132 26 Mubadala Investment Company $2,124,035,097 62 27 Nike $2,104,917,829 153 28 Meta Platforms Inc. $2,098,261,272 82 29 Toyota $2,071,010,689 239 30 Alphabet Inc. $2,054,325,527 125 31 Brookfield Corporation $1,979,408,388 288 32 Paramount Global $1,974,249,897 342 33 Comcast $1,927,402,844 405 34 Exxon Mobil $1,917,119,478 241 35 Samsung Electronics $1,891,136,597 41 36 Apple Inc. $1,845,004,670 63 37 Nissan $1,842,814,165 98 38 Berkshire Hathaway $1,830,986,253 1,200 39 Summit Power $1,783,593,414 6 40 JPMorgan Chase $1,740,972,699 1,151 41 Energy Transfer $1,736,836,843 175 42 Cleveland-Cliffs $1,705,497,604 129 43 Southern Company $1,694,958,172 45 44 General Electric $1,645,135,367 958 45 Vornado Realty Trust $1,623,857,336 33 46 Duke Energy $1,580,421,869 86 47 Wolfspeed Inc. $1,563,595,610 64 48 General Atomics $1,510,875,891 112 49 IBM Corp. $1,497,901,697 368 50 Lockheed Martin $1,462,674,082 325 51 OGE Energy $1,427,570,182 15 52 SCS Energy $1,419,011,796 5 53 Corning Inc. $1,391,603,359 401 54 Panasonic $1,384,147,584 61 55 Microsoft $1,366,243,159 113 56 Sagamore Development $1,320,000,000 2 57 Northrop Grumman $1,284,014,883 285 58 Vingroup $1,254,000,000 1 59 Continental AG $1,244,875,478 111 60 RTX Corporation $1,193,950,954 797 61 CF Industries $1,134,394,215 131 62 Valero Energy $1,053,812,692 207 63 Dow Inc. $1,049,354,213 640 64 AES Corp. $1,039,510,135 136 65 Air Products & Chemicals $1,025,557,482 88 66 Exelon $986,892,877 98 67 Pyramid Companies $973,565,278 93 68 SK Holdings $960,550,283 8 69 SkyWest $944,296,654 339 70 Centene $916,607,054 60 71 Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc. $900,000,000 1 72 Apollo Global Management $897,750,089 594 73 Delta Air Lines $871,485,833 13 74 Jefferies Financial Group $871,137,335 16 75 SK Hynix $866,700,000 2 76 Bayer $852,475,226 217 77 Honda $849,832,301 93 78 Shin-Etsu Chemical $828,683,936 106 79 Enterprise Products Partners $826,988,371 89 80 SunEdison $817,425,725 115 81 Goldman Sachs $800,873,386 253 82 Bank of America $798,426,128 956 83 E.ON $786,865,473 40 84 Warner Bros. Discovery Inc. $786,835,708 219 85 EDF-Electricite de France $774,590,441 36 86 Triple Five Worldwide $748,000,000 4 87 EDP-Energias de Portugal $733,674,868 14 88 Related Companies $714,675,504 8 89 Koch Industries $683,066,388 510 90 Caithness Energy $672,688,888 30 91 Dell Technologies $658,417,951 185 92 Wells Fargo $657,333,216 542 93 FedEx $647,035,546 633 94 Entergy $638,533,387 235 95 OCI N.V. $627,879,406 5 96 Eli Lilly $623,326,368 79 97 Chevron Phillips Chemical $619,839,444 20 98 Bedrock Detroit $618,000,000 1 99 Dominion Energy $615,436,089 79
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Capitalism privatizes its profits and makes public its losses.
It's socialism for the rich, and "pick yourself up by your own bootstraps" capitalism for the rest of us. That's how our system works.
Kinda neato to see where Boeing once the darling
of Airplane manufacturing is now on the ropes { literally }.
Because they went woke and gave up on The American
Dream.They decided to sell out to lying and cheating.
No way to maintain the consistency of the Great Henry Ford
pledge to insure every working American can afford a new car.
Which became reality.
Are you confusing and or conflating the word Producing
with actual building.The Government was never allotted
let alone granted poetic license to build stuff.
The Government creates laws and enforces them for
betterment of Society.
Politicians don't build squat.They pop off their yappers to
get moola and then divvy out for their own self-interest.
Joe Biden is THE Most abusive of all Politicians.
He and Schumer,never worked a day in the Private
sector.And it shows.
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You're quite ignorant of socialism and communism. Socialism is the process that leads to communism, or it can also be defined as communism in its earliest form, as it transitions to full, high-communism. OK, so now that we got that out of the way, we need to correct your erroneous view on property rights within socialism and communism.
Private Property: All properties that are used to exploit human labor for a profit.
Personal Property: All properties for personal use. This can include one's house, a plot of land, a vehicle, computers, gun collection. etc.
In socialism, private properties can exist, preferably only within the consumer goods and services sector of the economy. These properties are regulated by the government and must follow the general economic plan set by the state. Any business that employs human labor, must abide by strict labor laws that protect workers and the general economic plan of the government.
High-Communism is defined as:
"A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state (or nation state).[7][8][9]
Communists often seek a voluntary state of self-governance but disagree on the means to this end. This reflects a distinction between a more libertarian socialist approach of communization, revolutionary spontaneity, and workers' self-management, and a more authoritarian vanguardist or communist party-driven approach through the development of a socialist state, followed by the withering away of the state.[10] As one of the main ideologies on the political spectrum, communist parties and movements have been described as radical left or far-left.[11][12][note 1]"
Source: Communism - Wikipedia
The final objective of high-communism is the withering away of the state, classes, and the need for money. None of that can occur without very advanced technology. So until technology allows the individual consumer to own the means of production and produce everything they consume,, they must own the means of production collectively through the socialist state.
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The rich don't build squat, they pop off their yappers to get moola and then divvy out for their own self-interest, while living off of other people's labor.
At least under the right system of government, politicians are accountable to the electorate and can be recalled, impeached, or voted out of office and replaced with someone else. The US Government can and does build plenty of stuff, so you're quite confused and don't know what you're talking about. The government is whatever we want it to be, including our constitution. We decide that as the American people, today, under our present circumstances, not those that existed over 200 years ago.
Can you explain how capitalism is going to be replaced by socialism due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence. I have read through your posts and I don't see the connection.
It's not socialism. When you figure out what is, then post it.
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I am not advocating for socialism. I started the thread challenging the idea that right wingers claim the democrats want to convert us to socialism. That’s bull shit. You nor anyone else can outline a policy that the dems want to implement that is socialist.
Since their answers were so bad I thought I’d at least help them by pointing out where we already have socialism so they have a reference. There is no push towards socialism outside health insurance.
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It’s shit. Put whatever title you want on it; but since it’s not Capitalism and Meritocracy, it has no value.
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Are you aware that capitalism is based on wages?
How is that socialism? It seems to me the words communism and socialism have become a catch-all for a variety of perceived ills in our society.
Big Military - Socialism
Social Welfare - Socialism
Government deficit - Socialisms
Moral Decay - Socialism
Reducing Carbon Emissions - Socialism
Tax Increases - Socialism
Big Government - Socialism
Aid to Education - Socialism
The fact is socialism is goverment or the peoples ownership of the means of production. That of course can be interpreted to include government control of the means of production. However, it is a significant leap to equate regulations to controlling production.
Bottom line is that we do have some things in our economy that are socialist. That does meant our economic system is Socialism. We are a long way from that.
Again that is just a catch-all for all the things you don't like about our society. The only way to fix problems is to address them specifically. Many of the problems such a large bureaucratic government can only be fixed by creating problems that are a lot worse.
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The government in total IS the problem. Since 1861 this government has operated in an extra-constitutional manner, and it only gets worse year by year. We actively ignore major sections of the founding document every single day. Both parties. Every single federal employee.
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As intelligent automation continues to replace wage labor, the need for socialism increases. So it's only a matter of time before we'll have a non-profit-based, marketless, socialist economy.
In classic socialism there is no free market were prices are determined by supply and demand.
In classic socialism as defined by Marx, there is no private ownership of businesses. The workers in a business own it; that is, it becomes a coop. Workers are paid based on their contribution to production of goods. The workers would buy products from the various Coops in their area. The cost of products would be the cost of production. There is no profit.
In Marx's time, the early 18th century most economies were local that is most all goods were produces and consumed locally. When you attempt to apply Marx's theory nationally and internationally, the whole idea of coops falls apart. That is when goverment replaces the coops thus giving birth to communism.
The major problem with classic socialism or communism is that it ignores the basic human desire to acquire wealth, to own a bigger house, own more property. It destroys the desire to get head, to invent a better mousetrap.
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