When exactly does the Democrats' socialism kick in?

[Flopper]

The right wing lemmings for decades have campaigned on the theme that democrats want to usher in socialism. Well, when? After 8 years of Clinton, 8 years of Obama, 4 years of Biden, when does the socialism kick in and what does it look like specifically when it comes to programs?

Biden's largest achievements are:

• Infrastructure Bill not socialism and disproportionately benefited rural America
• CHIPS Bill not socialism and is supporting capitalist growth of manufacturing
• PACT act - veteran healthcare is caring for vets socialism?
• American Rescue Plan - not socialism and saved the capital markets and the small business engine of America setting it up to be the healthiest in the world

Not exactly the socialist list of dream policies. Even Obama's Affordable Care Act which pools risk is wildly popular in America and used in Red States to a higher degree than Blue States. In fact only one congressman proposed ending it in the last midterm elections. The rest of Republicans have moved on.

When will I see the socialism?

I have given the definition of socialism at least a dozens times but it never sinks in.
Socialism is an economic system based on social ownership of the means of production. or Socialism is an economic system in which major industries are owned by workers rather than by private businesses.

Yet, I hear people blabbering on about government spending, welfare programs, goverment healthcare insurance, and other goverment entitlement spending turns the country into a socialist state. It just ain't so.

Social welfare programs do not equate to socialism.

Government ownership of the means of production is socialism, for example government owned public unities, hospitals, transportation, communication, manufacturing plants, retail stores, and farms are socialistic. I think you will find that there is very little government ownership of the means of production in America.

 

[TruthNotBS]

So what socialist state or commie state made advances in tech?

This is an irrelevant, disingenuous question to the issue concerning society's need for socialism in the near future, due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence. Furthermore, the advancement of technology has proven to be a social endeavor not strictly a commercial one. Public funding and programs have proven instrumental in the development of technology, hence socialism has its role in the development of technology.

Nations that outwardly identify their economies and politics as socialist are often economically sanctioned and threatened with war by the American empire and its allies. It's unreasonable to expect such countries to be operating at the pinnacle of their potential when under the heavy heel of Western economic sanctions and threats of war.

 

[struth]

This is an irrelevant, disingenuous question to the issue concerning society's need for socialism in the near future, due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence. Furthermore, the advancement of technology has proven to be a social endeavor not strictly a commercial one. Public funding and programs have proven instrumental in the development of technology, hence socialism has its role in the development of technology.

Nations that outwardly identify their economies and politics as socialist are often economically sanctioned and threatened with war by the American empire and its allies. It's unreasonable to expect such countries to be operating at the pinnacle of their potential when under the heavy heel of Western economic sanctions and threats of war.

So none. Thanks

 

[citygator]

That’s brainwashing you have been through

Explain. Is oil at record levels or not?

 

[Flopper]

The Socialism has been here for decades… Socisl Security, Medicare, Medicaid, The Affordable Care Act, Affirmative Action, etc… Most of what the Feds do today is Socialism, and contrary to the limits laid out in the US Constitution.

You have not listed anything that would indicate the US is a socialist state. As I have said before, Social Welfare is not socialism.

 

[TruthNotBS]

So none. Thanks

No, I didn't say that, I was just educating you on proper context and relevancy which you're not concerned with. Whatever point you're trying to make is irrelevant. You're not smart or honest enough to see that.

 

[struth]

No, I didn't say that, I was just educating you on proper context and relevancy which you're not concerned with. Whatever point you're trying to make is irrelevant. You're not smart or honest enough to see that.

Then name one

 

[TruthNotBS]

Then name one

I'll name more than one. Modern rockets, jet engines, advanced hydroelectric, the first nuclear reactor connected to a civilian grid, Tokamaks, Electron Microscopes, the first mobile phone network....

1. First Artificial Satellite (Sputnik 1)​

• Year: 1957
• Description: Sputnik 1 was the first artificial satellite to be launched into Earth's orbit. This event marked the beginning of the space age and the start of the space race between the Soviet Union and the United States.

2. First Human in Space (Yuri Gagarin)​

• Year: 1961
• Description: Yuri Gagarin became the first human to journey into outer space and orbit the Earth aboard Vostok 1. This historic flight made Gagarin an international hero and solidified the Soviet Union's lead in space exploration.

3. First Woman in Space (Valentina Tereshkova)​

• Year: 1963
• Description: Valentina Tereshkova became the first woman to fly in space, aboard Vostok 6. She remains the only woman to have been on a solo space mission.

4. First Spacewalk (Alexei Leonov)​

• Year: 1965
• Description: Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov became the first person to conduct a spacewalk (extravehicular activity) during the Voskhod 2 mission. He spent about 12 minutes outside the spacecraft, marking a significant achievement in human space exploration.

5. First Lunar Impact (Luna 2)​

• Year: 1959
• Description: Luna 2 was the first human-made object to reach the Moon, impacting its surface. This mission provided important data about the Moon and demonstrated the Soviet Union's capability in deep space exploration.

6. First Images of the Moon's Far Side (Luna 3)​

• Year: 1959
• Description: Luna 3 was the first spacecraft to capture images of the Moon's far side, which had never been seen before from Earth. The images provided valuable insights into the Moon's geography.

7. First Soft Landing on the Moon (Luna 9)​

• Year: 1966
• Description: Luna 9 achieved the first successful soft landing on the Moon and transmitted the first images from the lunar surface, proving that landing on the Moon was possible.

8. First Robotic Sample Return from the Moon (Luna 16)​

• Year: 1970
• Description: Luna 16 was the first robotic mission to land on the Moon, collect soil samples, and return them to Earth. This mission was a significant step forward in lunar exploration.

9. First Spacecraft to Land on Venus (Venera 7)​

• Year: 1970
• Description: Venera 7 was the first spacecraft to successfully land on another planet (Venus) and transmit data back to Earth. It provided the first direct measurements of the Venusian surface conditions.

10. First Spacecraft to Return Images from the Surface of Another Planet (Venera 9)​

• Year: 1975
• Description: Venera 9 was the first spacecraft to transmit images from the surface of Venus, providing the first-ever close-up photographs of the surface of another planet.

11. First Modular Space Station (Mir)​

• Year: 1986
• Description: The Soviet Union launched the first modular space station, Mir, which allowed for the expansion of its structure over time. Mir operated in low Earth orbit for 15 years and was a precursor to the International Space Station (ISS).

12. First Operational Jet Fighter (MiG-15)​

• Year: 1947
• Description: The MiG-15 was one of the first jet fighters to enter operational service and was a highly successful aircraft during the Korean War, dominating the skies over Korea.

13. First Commercial Nuclear Power Plant (Obninsk Nuclear Power Plant)​

• Year: 1954
• Description: The Obninsk Nuclear Power Plant in Russia was the world's first nuclear power plant to generate electricity for a power grid, marking the beginning of the use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.

14. First Artificial Earth Satellite Network (Molniya Satellites)​

• Year: 1965
• Description: The Soviet Union launched the Molniya series of communications satellites, which were the first to provide long-distance telephone and television services across large parts of the Earth, including the entire Soviet Union.

15. First International Space Mission (Apollo-Soyuz Test Project)​

• Year: 1975
• Description: The Apollo-Soyuz Test Project was the first international human spaceflight mission, where a U.S. Apollo spacecraft docked with a Soviet Soyuz spacecraft in orbit. This mission marked the beginning of international cooperation in space exploration.

All of the above is irrelevant to the point that in the near future, capitalism is going to be replaced by socialism due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence. We are now entering into the socialist age, thanks to technology.

​

 

[struth]

I'll name more than one. Modern rockets, jet engines, advanced hydroelectric, the first nuclear reactor connected to a civilian grid, Tokamaks, Electron Microscopes, the first mobile phone network....

1. First Artificial Satellite (Sputnik 1)​

• Year: 1957
• Description: Sputnik 1 was the first artificial satellite to be launched into Earth's orbit. This event marked the beginning of the space age and the start of the space race between the Soviet Union and the United States.

2. First Human in Space (Yuri Gagarin)​

• Year: 1961
• Description: Yuri Gagarin became the first human to journey into outer space and orbit the Earth aboard Vostok 1. This historic flight made Gagarin an international hero and solidified the Soviet Union's lead in space exploration.

3. First Woman in Space (Valentina Tereshkova)​

• Year: 1963
• Description: Valentina Tereshkova became the first woman to fly in space, aboard Vostok 6. She remains the only woman to have been on a solo space mission.

4. First Spacewalk (Alexei Leonov)​

• Year: 1965
• Description: Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov became the first person to conduct a spacewalk (extravehicular activity) during the Voskhod 2 mission. He spent about 12 minutes outside the spacecraft, marking a significant achievement in human space exploration.

5. First Lunar Impact (Luna 2)​

• Year: 1959
• Description: Luna 2 was the first human-made object to reach the Moon, impacting its surface. This mission provided important data about the Moon and demonstrated the Soviet Union's capability in deep space exploration.

6. First Images of the Moon's Far Side (Luna 3)​

• Year: 1959
• Description: Luna 3 was the first spacecraft to capture images of the Moon's far side, which had never been seen before from Earth. The images provided valuable insights into the Moon's geography.

7. First Soft Landing on the Moon (Luna 9)​

• Year: 1966
• Description: Luna 9 achieved the first successful soft landing on the Moon and transmitted the first images from the lunar surface, proving that landing on the Moon was possible.

8. First Robotic Sample Return from the Moon (Luna 16)​

• Year: 1970
• Description: Luna 16 was the first robotic mission to land on the Moon, collect soil samples, and return them to Earth. This mission was a significant step forward in lunar exploration.

9. First Spacecraft to Land on Venus (Venera 7)​

• Year: 1970
• Description: Venera 7 was the first spacecraft to successfully land on another planet (Venus) and transmit data back to Earth. It provided the first direct measurements of the Venusian surface conditions.

10. First Spacecraft to Return Images from the Surface of Another Planet (Venera 9)​

• Year: 1975
• Description: Venera 9 was the first spacecraft to transmit images from the surface of Venus, providing the first-ever close-up photographs of the surface of another planet.

11. First Modular Space Station (Mir)​

• Year: 1986
• Description: The Soviet Union launched the first modular space station, Mir, which allowed for the expansion of its structure over time. Mir operated in low Earth orbit for 15 years and was a precursor to the International Space Station (ISS).

12. First Operational Jet Fighter (MiG-15)​

• Year: 1947
• Description: The MiG-15 was one of the first jet fighters to enter operational service and was a highly successful aircraft during the Korean War, dominating the skies over Korea.

13. First Commercial Nuclear Power Plant (Obninsk Nuclear Power Plant)​

• Year: 1954
• Description: The Obninsk Nuclear Power Plant in Russia was the world's first nuclear power plant to generate electricity for a power grid, marking the beginning of the use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.

14. First Artificial Earth Satellite Network (Molniya Satellites)​

• Year: 1965
• Description: The Soviet Union launched the Molniya series of communications satellites, which were the first to provide long-distance telephone and television services across large parts of the Earth, including the entire Soviet Union.

15. First International Space Mission (Apollo-Soyuz Test Project)​

• Year: 1975
• Description: The Apollo-Soyuz Test Project was the first international human spaceflight mission, where a U.S. Apollo spacecraft docked with a Soviet Soyuz spacecraft in orbit. This mission marked the beginning of international cooperation in space exploration.

All of the above is irrelevant to the point that in the near future, capitalism is going to be replaced by socialism due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence. We are now entering into the socialist age, thanks to technology.

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Using science from America.

Remind me, how’s the USSR space program today?

 

[TruthNotBS]

Using science from America.

Remind me, how’s the USSR space program today?

No, they weren't using science "from America". Your final question is another irrelevant, disingenuous question, full of unnecessary silly assumptions.

 

[jc456]

Explain. Is oil at record levels or not?

Nope

 

[HikerGuy83]

Not exactly the socialist list of dream policies.

Oh yes they are.

 

[citygator]

Nope

Yep you filthy liar.

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels per Day)

 

[Mac1958]

Yep you filthy liar.

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels per Day)

In an uncertain world, there's one thing we can depend on:

These people will never doubt what MAGA media tells them.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Oh Jesus
Not a sewer pipes is socialism..define socialism thread

Your ideology will not rise from the ashes morons

I got a question ...since many have tried and failed at socialism what will you geniuses and the experts and bureaucrats do differently this time






Derp
They don't know
They never do

Please face wall

 

[TruthNotBS]

Oh Jesus
Not a sewer pipes is socialism..define socialism thread

Your ideology will not rise from the ashes morons

I got a question ...since many have tried and failed at socialism what will you geniuses and the experts and bureaucrats do differently this time






Derp
They don't know
They never do

Please face wall


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Socialism bailsout capitalism every few years, to prevent the economy from collapsing. Socialism exists now throughout Europe and it's becoming more prominent here on the American continent. Your claim that socialism has failed is silly, because it's more popular now than ever. You clearly don't even know what socialism is.

Did capitalism replace feudalism overnight or did it take several centuries? According to you, why does one economic system have to replace another, quickly and in one single event? On what grounds do you make such a demand?

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Socialism bailsout capitalism every few years, to prevent the economy from collapsing. Socialism exists now throughout Europe and it's becoming more prominent here on the American continent. Your claim that socialism has failed is silly, because it's more popular now than ever. You clearly don't even know what socialism is.

Did capitalism replace feudalism overnight or did it take several centuries? According to you, why does one economic system have to replace another, quickly and in one single event? On what grounds do you make such a demand?

You simplistic ******* moron ..they're like broken low iq records of sheer ignorance and stupidity

What are you going to do differently ya stupid toothless waffle house hick

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

This time we're gonna get it right
But first please face wall

 

[Anathema]

You have not listed anything that would indicate the US is a socialist state. As I have said before, Social Welfare is not socialism.

It’s not Capitalism. It’s not Meritocracy. Therefore it falls under the same big tent as Socialism…. A tent we need to burn to the ground with all its supporters inside it.

 

[citygator]

12 pages in and not only can right wingers not point to socialist activities by democrats get this… THEY DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT SOCIALISM IS.

• They claim oil production is down (its record high) and THAT is socialism (it’s not)
• Some dude thinks we shouldn’t have interstates?!? Which would save us from socialism?!?
• Prosecuting criminals is socialism if they like the criminal (it isn’t socialism)
• Enforcing pricing laws to eliminate price collusion is socialism (it isn’t)

The reason these statements are so absurd and the right wing nuts can’t point to a policy that socialized an industry is because there is not one. Not one example.