When dual citizenship becomes conflict of interest

[irosie91]

Some are probably whining about Jews having an automatic right to Israeli citizenship, but as for members of the legislature John McCain was a dual citizen of the U.S. and Panama, and there are others, Dan Crenshaw, and of course the Muslim terrorists Minnesota and some other states sent to Congress, but mainly it's about DA JOOOOOOOOS !!!! from what I gather from a search. They conflate Israel's open door policy to all Jewish people with 'dual citizenship', apparently.

But as is usual for you and your Chassidic racists, it's about how 'unfair' Evul Xians N Stuff were not allowing Jews and Muslims to leave with all the loot they stole during their invasion and plundering of Spain.

When dual citizenship becomes conflict of interest

Ted Cruz and Michelle Bachmann 'renounced' theirs, though they were just posturing, neither ever voted in a foreign election as far as anybody knows.

for the record-----pic lied again. Citizenship is not "AUTOMATIC" for jews
in Israel. "EVUL CHRISTIANS" just like to make that sunday school whine.
I is a joooo since birth and do not have Israeli citizenship. I have been to that
country but was not AUTOMATICALLY granted citizenship or an Israeli passport.
If I wanted to be a citizen, I would have to go thru a whole damned process that
takes------more than a year. I can NOT become a citizen of Maldives----or
Indonesia, or ----Saudi Arabia-----etc etc ------NEVAH!!!!!! hubby is not a citizen of
yemen. -----interestingly he was named "Palestinian" at age 2----by the evul limeys-----papers and all.

 

[Desperado]

Lets try this again because it is worth discussing:
By contrast, dual citizenship creates conflict of interest through divided loyalties. Thus it would seem reasonable to require that dual citizen members of Congress, the judiciary and the executive be required to renounce citizenship in another country as a condition of public service.
Or even allow people with dual citizenship to hold any political office or military position.
When dual citizenship becomes conflict of interest

There is no conflict of interest. The loyalty of the dual citizen belongs completely to the other country.

how do you define "other country" -------most of the dual citizens I have encountered are from DA BRITISH COMMONWEALTH------whatevah da-hell
dat was. Many SPIT when they say 'england'. It is not clear to me that any
of the persons in Congress actually have "dual citizenship"------?????

Easy,,,,,If it is anything other than the United States

ok----For the USA-----that's lots and lots and lots of Irish people----and persons
from southeast Asia -----even lots of muzzies----including Iranian muzzies. Are
you willing to face muzzie supporters like ILHAN OMAR and LINDA SARSOUR
on this issue? Linda claims she is a "Palestinian"-------Ilhan seems to have
Somali citizenship Do you know if any other congress people are "DUALIES"?
Sorry to inform you -------a ban on DUALIENESS will affect more muzzies than
JOOOOOS. You know how they feel about being "insulted"

Muslim, Jew, or Irish there should be no one holding dual citizenship in political office or holding any type of clearance! It is that simple. Your allegiance should be to the United States only. America First, not that hard to understand.

 

[Desperado]

Some are probably whining about Jews having an automatic right to Israeli citizenship, but as for members of the legislature John McCain was a dual citizen of the U.S. and Panama, and there are others, Dan Crenshaw, and of course the Muslim terrorists Minnesota and some other states sent to Congress, but mainly it's about DA JOOOOOOOOS !!!! from what I gather from a search. They conflate Israel's open door policy to all Jewish people with 'dual citizenship', apparently.

But as is usual for you and your Chassidic racists, it's about how 'unfair' Evul Xians N Stuff were not allowing Jews and Muslims to leave with all the loot they stole during their invasion and plundering of Spain.

When dual citizenship becomes conflict of interest

Ted Cruz and Michelle Bachmann 'renounced' theirs, though they were just posturing, neither ever voted in a foreign election as far as anybody knows.

for the record-----pic lied again. Citizenship is not "AUTOMATIC" for jews
in Israel. "EVUL CHRISTIANS" just like to make that sunday school whine.
I is a joooo since birth and do not have Israeli citizenship. I have been to that
country but was not AUTOMATICALLY granted citizenship or an Israeli passport.
If I wanted to be a citizen, I would have to go thru a whole damned process that
takes------more than a year. I can NOT become a citizen of Maldives----or
Indonesia, or ----Saudi Arabia-----etc etc ------NEVAH!!!!!! hubby is not a citizen of
yemen. -----interestingly he was named "Palestinian" at age 2----by the evul limeys-----papers and all.

I really do not care about your sob story.

 

[irosie91]

Lets try this again because it is worth discussing:
By contrast, dual citizenship creates conflict of interest through divided loyalties. Thus it would seem reasonable to require that dual citizen members of Congress, the judiciary and the executive be required to renounce citizenship in another country as a condition of public service.
Or even allow people with dual citizenship to hold any political office or military position.
When dual citizenship becomes conflict of interest

There is no conflict of interest. The loyalty of the dual citizen belongs completely to the other country.

how do you define "other country" -------most of the dual citizens I have encountered are from DA BRITISH COMMONWEALTH------whatevah da-hell
dat was. Many SPIT when they say 'england'. It is not clear to me that any
of the persons in Congress actually have "dual citizenship"------?????

Easy,,,,,If it is anything other than the United States

ok----For the USA-----that's lots and lots and lots of Irish people----and persons
from southeast Asia -----even lots of muzzies----including Iranian muzzies. Are
you willing to face muzzie supporters like ILHAN OMAR and LINDA SARSOUR
on this issue? Linda claims she is a "Palestinian"-------Ilhan seems to have
Somali citizenship Do you know if any other congress people are "DUALIES"?
Sorry to inform you -------a ban on DUALIENESS will affect more muzzies than
JOOOOOS. You know how they feel about being "insulted"

Muslim, Jew, or Irish there should be no one holding dual citizenship in political office or holding any type of clearance! It is that simple. Your allegiance should be to the United States only. America First, not that hard to understand.

ok-----so what do you want to do about Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib? Do
you know if any of the congress people are citizens of Israel or did your sunday
school teacher tell you that "ALL JOOOOS IS CITIZENS OF ISRAEL"????
It is not clear to me if JFK was a citizen of Ireland----but I think that he qualified.

 

[Desperado]

There is no conflict of interest. The loyalty of the dual citizen belongs completely to the other country.

how do you define "other country" -------most of the dual citizens I have encountered are from DA BRITISH COMMONWEALTH------whatevah da-hell
dat was. Many SPIT when they say 'england'. It is not clear to me that any
of the persons in Congress actually have "dual citizenship"------?????

Easy,,,,,If it is anything other than the United States

ok----For the USA-----that's lots and lots and lots of Irish people----and persons
from southeast Asia -----even lots of muzzies----including Iranian muzzies. Are
you willing to face muzzie supporters like ILHAN OMAR and LINDA SARSOUR
on this issue? Linda claims she is a "Palestinian"-------Ilhan seems to have
Somali citizenship Do you know if any other congress people are "DUALIES"?
Sorry to inform you -------a ban on DUALIENESS will affect more muzzies than
JOOOOOS. You know how they feel about being "insulted"

Muslim, Jew, or Irish there should be no one holding dual citizenship in political office or holding any type of clearance! It is that simple. Your allegiance should be to the United States only. America First, not that hard to understand.

ok-----so what do you want to do about Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib? Do
you know if any of the congress people are citizens of Israel or did your sunday
school teacher tell you that "ALL JOOOOS IS CITIZENS OF ISRAEL"????
It is not clear to me if JFK was a citizen of Ireland----but I think that he qualified.

what do you want to do about Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib? kick them out of congress to start, deport them if possible. Why are you being so defensive? Makes me wonder why you hate America.

 

[irosie91]

Some are probably whining about Jews having an automatic right to Israeli citizenship, but as for members of the legislature John McCain was a dual citizen of the U.S. and Panama, and there are others, Dan Crenshaw, and of course the Muslim terrorists Minnesota and some other states sent to Congress, but mainly it's about DA JOOOOOOOOS !!!! from what I gather from a search. They conflate Israel's open door policy to all Jewish people with 'dual citizenship', apparently.

But as is usual for you and your Chassidic racists, it's about how 'unfair' Evul Xians N Stuff were not allowing Jews and Muslims to leave with all the loot they stole during their invasion and plundering of Spain.

When dual citizenship becomes conflict of interest

Ted Cruz and Michelle Bachmann 'renounced' theirs, though they were just posturing, neither ever voted in a foreign election as far as anybody knows.

for the record-----pic lied again. Citizenship is not "AUTOMATIC" for jews
in Israel. "EVUL CHRISTIANS" just like to make that sunday school whine.
I is a joooo since birth and do not have Israeli citizenship. I have been to that
country but was not AUTOMATICALLY granted citizenship or an Israeli passport.
If I wanted to be a citizen, I would have to go thru a whole damned process that
takes------more than a year. I can NOT become a citizen of Maldives----or
Indonesia, or ----Saudi Arabia-----etc etc ------NEVAH!!!!!! hubby is not a citizen of
yemen. -----interestingly he was named "Palestinian" at age 2----by the evul limeys-----papers and all.

I really do not care about your sob story.

where do you see "sob" ? My post is INTERESTING from an historic
POV--------back in the glorious days of the BRITISH EMPIRE------the
glorious brits considered all joooos in the Middle Eastern part of their vast
empire to be "PALESTINIANS" and all "arabs", simply "arabs" or Syrians......maybe
Egyptians were "Egyptians" I am not sure

 

[irosie91]

how do you define "other country" -------most of the dual citizens I have encountered are from DA BRITISH COMMONWEALTH------whatevah da-hell
dat was. Many SPIT when they say 'england'. It is not clear to me that any
of the persons in Congress actually have "dual citizenship"------?????

Easy,,,,,If it is anything other than the United States

ok----For the USA-----that's lots and lots and lots of Irish people----and persons
from southeast Asia -----even lots of muzzies----including Iranian muzzies. Are
you willing to face muzzie supporters like ILHAN OMAR and LINDA SARSOUR
on this issue? Linda claims she is a "Palestinian"-------Ilhan seems to have
Somali citizenship Do you know if any other congress people are "DUALIES"?
Sorry to inform you -------a ban on DUALIENESS will affect more muzzies than
JOOOOOS. You know how they feel about being "insulted"

Muslim, Jew, or Irish there should be no one holding dual citizenship in political office or holding any type of clearance! It is that simple. Your allegiance should be to the United States only. America First, not that hard to understand.

ok-----so what do you want to do about Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib? Do
you know if any of the congress people are citizens of Israel or did your sunday
school teacher tell you that "ALL JOOOOS IS CITIZENS OF ISRAEL"????
It is not clear to me if JFK was a citizen of Ireland----but I think that he qualified.

what do you want to do about Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib? kick them out of congress to start, deport them if possible. Why are you being so defensive? Makes me wonder why you hate America.

I do not hate America--------I am little equivocal about you

 

[Desperado]

My post is INTERESTING

Only for you

 

[irosie91]

My post is INTERESTING

Only for you

you type for the REST OF THE WORLD?

 

[Desperado]

My post is INTERESTING

Only for you

you type for the REST OF THE WORLD?

Really you think the rest of the world cares what you think?

 

[irosie91]

My post is INTERESTING

Only for you

you type for the REST OF THE WORLD?

Really you think the rest of the world cares what you think?

nope-----neither me nor you

 

[Picaro]

Lets try this again because it is worth discussing:
By contrast, dual citizenship creates conflict of interest through divided loyalties. Thus it would seem reasonable to require that dual citizen members of Congress, the judiciary and the executive be required to renounce citizenship in another country as a condition of public service.
Or even allow people with dual citizenship to hold any political office or military position.
When dual citizenship becomes conflict of interest

There is no conflict of interest. The loyalty of the dual citizen belongs completely to the other country.

how do you define "other country" -------most of the dual citizens I have encountered are from DA BRITISH COMMONWEALTH------whatevah da-hell
dat was. Many SPIT when they say 'england'. It is not clear to me that any
of the persons in Congress actually have "dual citizenship"------?????

Easy,,,,,If it is anything other than the United States

ok----For the USA-----that's lots and lots and lots of Irish people----and persons
from southeast Asia -----even lots of muzzies----including Iranian muzzies. Are
you willing to face muzzie supporters like ILHAN OMAR and LINDA SARSOUR
on this issue? Linda claims she is a "Palestinian"-------Ilhan seems to have
Somali citizenship Do you know if any other congress people are "DUALIES"?
Sorry to inform you -------a ban on DUALIENESS will affect more muzzies than
JOOOOOS. You know how they feel about being "insulted"

With those two it's easy; they need to be deported along with the vast majority of Muslims. It's ridiculous to let them in at all, even as 'diplomats'. We already took in their, and yours, reviled and Evul Xians over the decades, and also radical racist Jews as well; the latter tend to concentrate in the NE and self-isolate themselves, so no problem there, except for the ones who raised you, apparently.

 

[Picaro]

After looking at the list of Jews who allegedly have 'dual citizenship', they are mostly Democrats, ironically the very self-hating 'liberals' who routinely vote to genocide Israelis out of existence but still like to vote to ethnically cleanse Da Evul White Protestants!!!' from the U.S., i.e. they're mostly insane retarded sociopaths and deviants, so maybe a loyalty oath is indeed a good thing. I have no problem at all with deporting Democrats, so these traitors can be shipped out with the rest, no need to snivel because of their ethnicity in this case.

 

[irosie91]

After looking at the list of Jews who allegedly have 'dual citizenship', they are mostly Democrats, ironically the very self-hating 'liberals' who routinely vote to genocide Israelis out of existence but still like to vote to ethnically cleanse Da Evul White Protestants!!!' from the U.S., i.e. they're mostly insane retarded sociopaths and deviants, so maybe a loyalty oath is indeed a good thing. I have no problem at all with deporting Democrats, so these traitors can be shipped out with the rest, no need to snivel because of their ethnicity in this case.

you wax psychotic. No question---the donkey is RECENTLY pixilated and jews are abandoning it in droves ------------however
"vote to ethnically cleanse DA EVUL WHITE CHRISTIANS" huh------show me. AS to the genocide of Israelis----
that trend does infect the recently pixilated donkey-----but, in the past----was a very WASPY elephant thing---------try to keep up

 

[Syriusly]

And when they don't even know that they have dual citizenship?
Seriously if they are that much i the dark they should not hold any political office.

LOL- too scared to even address the fact that it would take a Constitutional amendment to do what you suggest?

Explain your thoughts on why it wold take a Constitutional amendment to implement it

The Constitution lays out the requirements to be a Congressman , Senator or President. The only way to add more requirements would be through a Constitutional amendment.

Article 1
2: No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

3: No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.

Article 2
5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

 

[Syriusly]

After looking at the list of Jews who allegedly have 'dual citizenship', they are mostly Democrats, ironically the very self-hating 'liberals' who routinely vote to genocide Israelis out of existence but still like to vote to ethnically cleanse Da Evul White Protestants!!!' from the U.S., i.e. they're mostly insane retarded sociopaths and deviants, so maybe a loyalty oath is indeed a good thing. I have no problem at all with deporting Democrats, so these traitors can be shipped out with the rest, no need to snivel because of their ethnicity in this case.

So basically you want to deport the half of Americans you disagree with.

Basically you want to deport 90% of African Americans and 70% of Jewish Americans.

And that is no surprise at all.

 

[Syriusly]

how do you define "other country" -------most of the dual citizens I have encountered are from DA BRITISH COMMONWEALTH------whatevah da-hell
dat was. Many SPIT when they say 'england'. It is not clear to me that any
of the persons in Congress actually have "dual citizenship"------?????

Easy,,,,,If it is anything other than the United States

ok----For the USA-----that's lots and lots and lots of Irish people----and persons
from southeast Asia -----even lots of muzzies----including Iranian muzzies. Are
you willing to face muzzie supporters like ILHAN OMAR and LINDA SARSOUR
on this issue? Linda claims she is a "Palestinian"-------Ilhan seems to have
Somali citizenship Do you know if any other congress people are "DUALIES"?
Sorry to inform you -------a ban on DUALIENESS will affect more muzzies than
JOOOOOS. You know how they feel about being "insulted"

Muslim, Jew, or Irish there should be no one holding dual citizenship in political office or holding any type of clearance! It is that simple. Your allegiance should be to the United States only. America First, not that hard to understand.

ok-----so what do you want to do about Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib? Do
you know if any of the congress people are citizens of Israel or did your sunday
school teacher tell you that "ALL JOOOOS IS CITIZENS OF ISRAEL"????
It is not clear to me if JFK was a citizen of Ireland----but I think that he qualified.

what do you want to do about Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib? kick them out of congress to start, deport them if possible. Why are you being so defensive? Makes me wonder why you hate America.

So do you think that voters should decide whether to kick out Omar and Rashida? Or you?

 

[Syriusly]

Lets try this again because it is worth discussing:
By contrast, dual citizenship creates conflict of interest through divided loyalties. Thus it would seem reasonable to require that dual citizen members of Congress, the judiciary and the executive be required to renounce citizenship in another country as a condition of public service.
Or even allow people with dual citizenship to hold any political office or military position.
When dual citizenship becomes conflict of interest

There is no conflict of interest. The loyalty of the dual citizen belongs completely to the other country.

how do you define "other country" -------most of the dual citizens I have encountered are from DA BRITISH COMMONWEALTH------whatevah da-hell
dat was. Many SPIT when they say 'england'. It is not clear to me that any
of the persons in Congress actually have "dual citizenship"------?????

Easy,,,,,If it is anything other than the United States

ok----For the USA-----that's lots and lots and lots of Irish people----and persons
from southeast Asia -----even lots of muzzies----including Iranian muzzies. Are
you willing to face muzzie supporters like ILHAN OMAR and LINDA SARSOUR
on this issue? Linda claims she is a "Palestinian"-------Ilhan seems to have
Somali citizenship Do you know if any other congress people are "DUALIES"?
Sorry to inform you -------a ban on DUALIENESS will affect more muzzies than
JOOOOOS. You know how they feel about being "insulted"

Muslim, Jew, or Irish there should be no one holding dual citizenship in political office or holding any type of clearance! It is that simple. Your allegiance should be to the United States only. America First, not that hard to understand.

Again- your simplistic view simply means that any country could vacate any election of any Congressman, Senator or President- simply by declaring that person to be a citizen of Israel- or Ireland- or Germany- or North Korea.

Aside of course from the fact that the Constitution would have to be amended to accomplish what you propose.

 

[Syriusly]

And when they don't even know that they have dual citizenship?
Seriously if they are that much i the dark they should not hold any political office.

LOL- too scared to even address the fact that it would take a Constitutional amendment to do what you suggest?

Explain your thoughts on why it wold take a Constitutional amendment to implement it

It wouldn't take an Amendment, and in fact there used to be a law on the books about voting in a foreign election counted as forfeiting your U.S. citizenship. It was repealed in 1967, for some reason I haven't looked into yet. Afroyim v. Rusk ...

Afroyim v. Rusk - Wikipedia

Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967), is a landmark United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled that citizens of the United States may not be deprived of their citizenship involuntarily.[1][2][3] The U.S. government had attempted to revoke the citizenship of Beys Afroyim, a man born in Poland, because he had cast a vote in an Israeli election after becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen. The Supreme Court decided that Afroyim's right to retain his citizenship was guaranteed by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. In so doing, the Court struck down a federal law mandating loss of U.S. citizenship for voting in a foreign election—thereby overruling one of its own precedents, Perez v. Brownell (1958), in which it had upheld loss of citizenship under similar circumstances less than a decade earlier.

The Afroyim decision opened the way for a wider acceptance of dual (or multiple) citizenship in United States law.[4] The Bancroft Treaties—a series of agreements between the United States and other nations which had sought to limit dual citizenship following naturalization—were eventually abandoned after the Carter administration concluded that Afroyim and other Supreme Court decisions had rendered them unenforceable.

The impact of Afroyim v. Rusk was narrowed by a later case, Rogers v. Bellei (1971), in which the Court determined that the Fourteenth Amendment safeguarded citizenship only when a person was born or naturalized in the United States, and that Congress retained authority to regulate the citizenship status of a person who was born outside the United States to an American parent. However, the specific law at issue in Rogers v. Bellei—a requirement for a minimum period of U.S. residence that Bellei had failed to satisfy—was repealed by Congress in 1978. As a consequence of revised policies adopted in 1990 by the United States Department of State, it is now (in the words of one expert) "virtually impossible to lose American citizenship without formally and expressly renouncing it."[5]

... Muslims sniveling bout DA JOOOOS!!! are most of the problem:


While acknowledging that "American citizenship enjoys strong protection against loss under Afroyim and Terrazas", retired journalist Henry S. Matteo[89] suggested, "It would have been more equitable ... had the Supreme Court relied on the Eighth Amendment, which adds a moral tone as well as a firmer constitutional basis, than the Fourteenth." Matteo also said, "Under Afroyim there is a lack of balance between rights and protections on one hand, and obligations and responsibilities on the other, all four elements of which have been an integral part of the concept of citizenship, as history shows."[90] Political scientist P. Allan Dionisopoulos wrote that "it is doubtful that any [Supreme Court decision] created a more complex problem for the United States than Afroyim v. Rusk", a decision which he believed had "since become a source of embarrassment for the United States in its relationships with the Arab world" because of the way it facilitated dual U.S.–Israeli citizenship and participation by Americans in Israel's armed forces.[91]

After his Supreme Court victory, Afroyim divided his time between West Brighton (Staten Island, New York) and the Israeli city of Safed until his death on May 19, 1984, in West Brighton.[92][93]

Personally I wouldn't have let Afroyim into the U.S. at all, and the same for Muslims; both have a violent ideology fit only for sociopaths.

Still would require a Constitutional Amendment.

I get the concern- but if it is important to you- then you should be working on that Constitutional Amendment.

 

[Natural Citizen]

The main problem is when representatives in higher office start attacking the civil liberties of the American electorate at the behest of the lobbyists of the nation where said representative may or even may not hold another citizenship.

For instance, here we have a foreign nation taking to social media for the purpose of gloating about how it has influenced our political process and law to attack the electorate's First Amendment, going so far as to threaten 'strong action' against them, should they attempt to exercise it....


On Wednesday, Netanyahu's office quoted the PM as saying that “in recent years, we have promoted laws in most US states, which determine that strong action is to be taken against whoever tries to boycott Israel.”

This came shortly after the UN Human Rights Council released a database of more than 100 companies “involved in certain activities relating to settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territory,” infuriating Israeli officials.

It was also not for nothing that the American administration has taken this step together with us. In recent years, we have promoted laws in most US states, which determine that strong action is to be taken against whoever tries to boycott Israel.

— PM of Israel (@IsraeliPM) February 12, 2020

The Founders slit throats for less.