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When covid19 cases surge
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WEATHER53
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The only surge that need be feared is the 1.7 % of all currently active cases that are identified as serious to critical. That’s where the hospitalizations snd deaths come from . The rest of the positive 98.3% aren’t crippled by it but Are crippled by the lockdown.
Never have so few gotten so many to give up so much.
Never have so few gotten so many to give up so much.
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WEATHER53
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Trumps an Orange deranged turd,Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?
What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?
There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.
Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?
How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?
TDS thread 1,499
One more........
Yeah 1500
Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?
What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?
There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.
Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?
How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?
You idiot, what is it about you commies that can't understand what a guideline is. Guidelines are not fucking laws, they are suggestions. Our president and governors can't just unilaterally dictate laws, that requires the legislature. Don't worry your ignorant little head, no one will force you to get out from under your bed.
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Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?
What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?
There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.
Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?
How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?
Most states in these cases you are not allowed to sue the state.
Protesters? Get serious. The group that stormed the Michigan legislative building, do you seriously believe they changed the mind of the Michigan governor? Laughable.
It seems the states are opening up and are allowed to do so. So what "clear guidelines" are being ignored?
Sue Trump for not enforcing what? States opening up?
The last sentence makes no sense. Who is "their".
The trump guidelines say a state needs to have 14 days of decreased virus infections.
Most states don't have a decrease in people being infected with the virus.
No state has 14 consecutive days of decrease in the virus.
Another fucking commie that doesn't understand what a guideline is. You fuckers are amazingly stupid.
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So it's just going to disappear eh?Soon the democrats will have no disease to rely on. They might have to start relying on outright murder.
When all the projections of deaths are double now at minimum, of what they were for projected deaths by August 4th before all these states decided to open up before they met the CDC and White House standards for being able to open up?
What exactly do you get for your lying bull crud you spew each day???
Damn you commies just don't get it, the lock down was to flatten the curve, not eliminate it. You get the same number of infections, it's just over a longer period of time, so healthcare isn't overwhelmed. Even the commie networks covered that, try listening.
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Really? How effective is the flu vaccine? I had This Virus. It’s overblown unless you’re old or feeble.Vaccine works the same and from future ones, yes, but for now herd immunity is all we have. What do you propose? Indefinite lockdowns?Herd immunity is a vaccine, dummy. Act the same way.It will be a blessing!McConnell has “insisted” that the next stimulus package will include legal immunity for businesses that open back up. He told Politico, “The next pandemic coming will be the lawsuit pandemic in the wake of this one. So we need to prevent that now when we have the opportunity to do it.” It’s important to understand what McConnell is proposing here: He’s saying that he will withhold aid money to state and local governments fighting the Covid-19 pandemic if the package does not include legal giveaways to protect businesses from the justice system.
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McConnell’s Stimulus Scam: Vaccinate Businesses, Expose Workers
The Senate leader wants to block businesses from being sued for putting people at risk of Covid-19—thus ensuring people are put at risk.www.thenation.com
soon workers will have no rights if the republicans stay in power.
The federal or state govt shouldn't even be involved in this whole scam pandemic. If a business wants to open or close, it should be their decision. Likewise, if an individual wants to stay home or frequent a business establishment, it should be their decision. Screw the pathetic government. Why do libs always need to be led around by the nose. They look to govt because thats all they have. Its their religion.
Look at it this way. Say there are 100 of us in the world. 25 are elderly and or sick and 75 of us are healthy adults.
Scenario #1
We all isolate. But one or two of us get the disease from going to a grocery store or Home Depot, etc. We then pass it on to one or two we see at a liquor store or again a grocery store and so on. The virus makes us a little ill but nothing major, like a common cold, as we are healthy adults. This progresses for months as we isolate so the virus has time to jump around and of course eventually gets to the 25 or so vulnerable.
Scenario #2
We isolate the 25, all 75 go out at once. We all get the virus. The virus has nowhere else to jump as all 75 have it and are building antibodies and immunity. Virus dies out in ~3 weeks and the other 25 can easily go out.
The key like with all viruses is to give it no where else to go. This is why the flu dies every spring. This is not because of warmer weather but because of herd immunity that kills it off naturally. Lockdowns are having the opposite effect. What you do is isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us get it. This creates the often spoken about herd immunity and kills the virus.
Is Herd Immunity Our Best Weapon Against COVID-19?
In the long run, it could protect us from future COVID-19 outbreaks. To get there, we need an effective vaccine.
www.discovermagazine.com
Sweden will be a great case study
"In the long run, it could protect us from future COVID-19 outbreaks. To get there, we need an effective vaccine."
Are you not understanding your own links again? Vaccine, we aren't going to have an effective herd immunity that doesn't get a lot of people killed unless we have a vaccine. Your own sources tell you this.
No, herd immunity is herd immunity. You literally just copy/pasted this
"Is Herd Immunity Our Best Weapon Against COVID-19?
In the long run, it could protect us from future COVID-19 outbreaks. To get there, we need an effective vaccine."
Clearly they are not saying herd immunity is a vaccine. You can get to herd immunity if you have vaccinated enough people but your link isn't saying to reach herd immunity by exposure.
Well, no. The entire purpose of a vaccine is so that people don't contract diseases. We also really don't know if herd immunity is a thing for COVID and at what expense? You may be OK for a couple of months but in the meantime you've compromised your lungs, kidneys or heart where maybe you will fall really sick when the common flu comes around. Or damaged your kidneys where later in life you are more likely to end up with kidney disease. There are just things we don't know about this particular virus right now.
Sometimes it's effective, sometimes it misses the mark. You should look into that.
In the meantime COVID is deadlier than the flu.
And so far there has never been a vaccine that has been remotely effective against a carona virus. You may have a very long wait.
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My life doesn't put other people at risk.Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?
What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?
There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.
Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?
How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?
How about you just live your life the way you see fit and let others do the same?
Sure it does, you emit CO2 don't you?
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HappyJoy
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Really? How effective is the flu vaccine? I had This Virus. It’s overblown unless you’re old or feeble.Vaccine works the same and from future ones, yes, but for now herd immunity is all we have. What do you propose? Indefinite lockdowns?Herd immunity is a vaccine, dummy. Act the same way.It will be a blessing!McConnell has “insisted” that the next stimulus package will include legal immunity for businesses that open back up. He told Politico, “The next pandemic coming will be the lawsuit pandemic in the wake of this one. So we need to prevent that now when we have the opportunity to do it.” It’s important to understand what McConnell is proposing here: He’s saying that he will withhold aid money to state and local governments fighting the Covid-19 pandemic if the package does not include legal giveaways to protect businesses from the justice system.
--------------------------------McConnell’s Stimulus Scam: Vaccinate Businesses, Expose Workers
The Senate leader wants to block businesses from being sued for putting people at risk of Covid-19—thus ensuring people are put at risk.
soon workers will have no rights if the republicans stay in power.
The federal or state govt shouldn't even be involved in this whole scam pandemic. If a business wants to open or close, it should be their decision. Likewise, if an individual wants to stay home or frequent a business establishment, it should be their decision. Screw the pathetic government. Why do libs always need to be led around by the nose. They look to govt because thats all they have. Its their religion.
Look at it this way. Say there are 100 of us in the world. 25 are elderly and or sick and 75 of us are healthy adults.
Scenario #1
We all isolate. But one or two of us get the disease from going to a grocery store or Home Depot, etc. We then pass it on to one or two we see at a liquor store or again a grocery store and so on. The virus makes us a little ill but nothing major, like a common cold, as we are healthy adults. This progresses for months as we isolate so the virus has time to jump around and of course eventually gets to the 25 or so vulnerable.
Scenario #2
We isolate the 25, all 75 go out at once. We all get the virus. The virus has nowhere else to jump as all 75 have it and are building antibodies and immunity. Virus dies out in ~3 weeks and the other 25 can easily go out.
The key like with all viruses is to give it no where else to go. This is why the flu dies every spring. This is not because of warmer weather but because of herd immunity that kills it off naturally. Lockdowns are having the opposite effect. What you do is isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us get it. This creates the often spoken about herd immunity and kills the virus.
Is Herd Immunity Our Best Weapon Against COVID-19?
In the long run, it could protect us from future COVID-19 outbreaks. To get there, we need an effective vaccine.
www.discovermagazine.com
Sweden will be a great case study
"In the long run, it could protect us from future COVID-19 outbreaks. To get there, we need an effective vaccine."
Are you not understanding your own links again? Vaccine, we aren't going to have an effective herd immunity that doesn't get a lot of people killed unless we have a vaccine. Your own sources tell you this.
No, herd immunity is herd immunity. You literally just copy/pasted this
"Is Herd Immunity Our Best Weapon Against COVID-19?
In the long run, it could protect us from future COVID-19 outbreaks. To get there, we need an effective vaccine."
Clearly they are not saying herd immunity is a vaccine. You can get to herd immunity if you have vaccinated enough people but your link isn't saying to reach herd immunity by exposure.
Well, no. The entire purpose of a vaccine is so that people don't contract diseases. We also really don't know if herd immunity is a thing for COVID and at what expense? You may be OK for a couple of months but in the meantime you've compromised your lungs, kidneys or heart where maybe you will fall really sick when the common flu comes around. Or damaged your kidneys where later in life you are more likely to end up with kidney disease. There are just things we don't know about this particular virus right now.
Sometimes it's effective, sometimes it misses the mark. You should look into that.
In the meantime COVID is deadlier than the flu.
And so far there has never been a vaccine that has been remotely effective against a carona virus. You may have a very long wait.
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Yeah, somebody should tell Trump we won't have a vaccine in record time that he keeps insisting will happen.
How hard is it, to wear a mask, for your fellow Americans? Seriously?How dare the voters tell a politician to fuck off. Right comrad?Oklahoma Mayor Forced To Revise Mask Mandate After Rash Of Violent ThreatsWhat about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?
Oklahoma Mayor Revised Mask Mandate After Rash Of Threats
Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise his order mandating masks in stores and restaurants amid a ferocious backlash.talkingpointsmemo.com
A proclamation went into effect in Stillwater, Oklahoma on Friday requiring that patrons of newly reopened stores and restaurants don masks while inside. Just hours later, Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise the order amid a ferocious backlash.
“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” said City Manager Norman McNickle in a statement. “In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm. This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19.”
I don't understand why you are willing to kill off someone else's sister with asthma, or someone else's parents or grandparents that are old?
Goodness ALMIGHTY, you truly are miss informed, due to your right wing news, who doesn't explain the process to you...So it's just going to disappear eh?Soon the democrats will have no disease to rely on. They might have to start relying on outright murder.
When all the projections of deaths are double now at minimum, of what they were for projected deaths by August 4th before all these states decided to open up before they met the CDC and White House standards for being able to open up?
What exactly do you get for your lying bull crud you spew each day???
Damn you commies just don't get it, the lock down was to flatten the curve, not eliminate it. You get the same number of infections, it's just over a longer period of time, so healthcare isn't overwhelmed. Even the commie networks covered that, try listening.
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The objective was to flatten the upward curve, so to keep our hospitals from being overwhelmed, and deaths down.... not just covid deaths, but all the other things like heart attack patients, kept alive...And car accident patients kept alive....
AND the stay at home orders was to reduce the number of infections occurring, to get the number of infections low enough, so that the states could begin testing and contact tracing can take place, isolating those infected, so not to spread it at a fast rate to others, so we could open up the economy again in a more safe manner.... it takes a huge workforce to do this accurately, so beginning the process when the spread rate and cases are lower is necessary....
It was to allow us to reopen the economy, where those of us not sick, were free to work, and isolating those that are sick only, instead of all of us without the virus being isolated.
The scientific process is called Containment.
We are in the hell of a mess that we are in now, because we did not have the testing abilities to Contain the virus early on.... to use the proven Containment process for infectious diseases....
The CDC Failed us, by not having the tests and reagents and supplies to run the tests all over the country, so to identify the carriers and isolating them before a major spread....
By not having the testing to curb the virus, we then went in to shortages of protective gear in hospitals, and for frontline grocery clerks, emts, firefighters, police, meat packers....spreading the disease even more...in to their communities...And killing the doctors, nurses, hospital janitors, grocery clerks etc etc etc.....
Slowing the deaths, eliminates deaths in the long run, because the vaccine will be coming along, and save others.
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The remedy for Trump, governors, and other politicians is to vote them out of office.Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?
What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?
There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.
Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?
How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?
As for the ‘protesters,’ we’ll never be rid of rightwing idiocy.
For rightists to wear a mask is to acknowledge the severity of the pandemic and to acknowledge the fact that they’re wrong to oppose the necessary, proper, and Constitutional guidelines.How hard is it, to wear a mask, for your fellow Americans? Seriously?How dare the voters tell a politician to fuck off. Right comrad?Oklahoma Mayor Forced To Revise Mask Mandate After Rash Of Violent ThreatsWhat about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?
Oklahoma Mayor Revised Mask Mandate After Rash Of Threats
Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise his order mandating masks in stores and restaurants amid a ferocious backlash.talkingpointsmemo.com
A proclamation went into effect in Stillwater, Oklahoma on Friday requiring that patrons of newly reopened stores and restaurants don masks while inside. Just hours later, Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise the order amid a ferocious backlash.
“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” said City Manager Norman McNickle in a statement. “In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm. This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19.”
I don't understand why you are willing to kill off someone else's sister with asthma, or someone else's parents or grandparents that are old?
debbiedowner
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They are not going to surge during summer...sorry if that boils your TDS but the virus can't surge in dry hot weather....Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?
What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?
There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.
Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?
How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?
Dry weather is best for spread.
debbiedowner
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No rights? You mean like the people who have no right to go to work, go to church or visit grandma?McConnell has “insisted” that the next stimulus package will include legal immunity for businesses that open back up. He told Politico, “The next pandemic coming will be the lawsuit pandemic in the wake of this one. So we need to prevent that now when we have the opportunity to do it.” It’s important to understand what McConnell is proposing here: He’s saying that he will withhold aid money to state and local governments fighting the Covid-19 pandemic if the package does not include legal giveaways to protect businesses from the justice system.
--------------------------------McConnell’s Stimulus Scam: Vaccinate Businesses, Expose Workers
The Senate leader wants to block businesses from being sued for putting people at risk of Covid-19—thus ensuring people are put at risk.
soon workers will have no rights if the republicans stay in power.
If a person has to go to church to pray to their God they are not much of a christian, jew, muslim, etc.
debbiedowner
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They are not going to surge during summer...sorry if that boils your TDS but the virus can't surge in dry hot weather....Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?
What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?
There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.
Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?
How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?
Really?
Then explain the surges in Texas, California, New Mexico and all of the southern states.
The idea that it will go away in dry hot weather is just a wish. There is absolutely no proof or evidence that will happen.
The southern part of our nation has winter temperatures that we in the north have in the summer. The virus is surging in the south no matter if you want to believe that or not.
Then there's Australia. If your theory is correct why is the virus in Australia?
It's stupid to say absolutes when there is absolutely no evidence to back it up and evidence that does exist says the exact opposite.
Yea, he's off on the dry weather which most if not all viruses flourish, the heat no one knows.
You cough in dry weather it continues to travel in the lighter air, you cough in humid weather the wetness of the droplets falls to the ground preventing spread.
How humidity may affect COVID-19 outcome
A new review of existing studies considers how outdoor and indoor humidity levels can affect the transmission of the new coronavirus.
www.medicalnewstoday.com
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What the hell are you dragging your asthmatic sister all over town? You dragging your grandparents to the damn mall or what?How hard is it, to wear a mask, for your fellow Americans? Seriously?How dare the voters tell a politician to fuck off. Right comrad?Oklahoma Mayor Forced To Revise Mask Mandate After Rash Of Violent ThreatsWhat about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?
Oklahoma Mayor Revised Mask Mandate After Rash Of Threats
Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise his order mandating masks in stores and restaurants amid a ferocious backlash.talkingpointsmemo.com
A proclamation went into effect in Stillwater, Oklahoma on Friday requiring that patrons of newly reopened stores and restaurants don masks while inside. Just hours later, Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise the order amid a ferocious backlash.
“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” said City Manager Norman McNickle in a statement. “In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm. This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19.”
I don't understand why you are willing to kill off someone else's sister with asthma, or someone else's parents or grandparents that are old?
They have underlying health issues. I don’t. It’s not my job or concern to keep them healthy. That’s your job.
Crepitus
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Because the selfish bastards just don't care.How hard is it, to wear a mask, for your fellow Americans? Seriously?How dare the voters tell a politician to fuck off. Right comrad?Oklahoma Mayor Forced To Revise Mask Mandate After Rash Of Violent ThreatsWhat about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?
Oklahoma Mayor Revised Mask Mandate After Rash Of Threats
Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise his order mandating masks in stores and restaurants amid a ferocious backlash.talkingpointsmemo.com
A proclamation went into effect in Stillwater, Oklahoma on Friday requiring that patrons of newly reopened stores and restaurants don masks while inside. Just hours later, Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise the order amid a ferocious backlash.
“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” said City Manager Norman McNickle in a statement. “In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm. This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19.”
I don't understand why you are willing to kill off someone else's sister with asthma, or someone else's parents or grandparents that are old?
tRump, the majority sociopath party.
Crepitus
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They keep showing up in crowds without PPE and they might thin themselves out a bit though.The remedy for Trump, governors, and other politicians is to vote them out of office.Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?
What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?
There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.
Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?
How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?
As for the ‘protesters,’ we’ll never be rid of rightwing idiocy.
Crepitus
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Actually, in any healthy society it's everyone's job.What the hell are you dragging your asthmatic sister all over town? You dragging your grandparents to the damn mall or what?How hard is it, to wear a mask, for your fellow Americans? Seriously?How dare the voters tell a politician to fuck off. Right comrad?Oklahoma Mayor Forced To Revise Mask Mandate After Rash Of Violent ThreatsWhat about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?
Oklahoma Mayor Revised Mask Mandate After Rash Of Threats
Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise his order mandating masks in stores and restaurants amid a ferocious backlash.talkingpointsmemo.com
A proclamation went into effect in Stillwater, Oklahoma on Friday requiring that patrons of newly reopened stores and restaurants don masks while inside. Just hours later, Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise the order amid a ferocious backlash.
“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” said City Manager Norman McNickle in a statement. “In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm. This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19.”
I don't understand why you are willing to kill off someone else's sister with asthma, or someone else's parents or grandparents that are old?
They have underlying health issues. I don’t. It’s not my job or concern to keep them healthy. That’s your job.
Sadly, this is no longer a healthy society. Sociopathic tRumplings have infested us.
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