When America was American were the parties this divided?

[emilynghiem]

When most Americans shared a last name with those who died in world wars, when most Americans were Protestant Christians, when most spoke the same language, when most loved, cherished, protected and preserved Americas flag, our history, tradition, culture and value system, when American nationalism was celebrated and encouraged, when most understood the value of hard work, determination and accountability, when most were ashamed to be funded by fellow citizens, when almost all were heterosexual and not gender confused.
Remember when only the smallest of things seperated the ideologies of the parties?

1. The Founders also disagreed between greater federal authority vs rights of states and people.
2. The Civil War was fought over political divisions, and Blacks were physically lynched as a community social event.

The difference today is we have access to corporate influence through parties and media.

Corporate entities, whether commercial interests, political party financiers of judges and other candidates, or media conglomerates, can claim "personhood" and exercise BOTH individual rights without govt regulations AND collective influence without respecting rights and protections govt has to follow.

This imbalance of unchecked influence by collective groups that outweigh individuals is greater than the past, where the Crowned heads of Spain and England funded colonialization by explorers and foundations of settlements and govt.

We have both greater ability to exercise and access democratic outreach on collective levels, and to abuse these to bypass checks and protections intended to defend individual rights and liberty.

So we see both greater extremes of good will and ill will, for the benefit of humanity as well as detriment of society and the planet.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Nobody seemed to care when FDR violated the basic premise of the Constitution by issuing an executive order to round up Americans and place them in concentration camps without due process. The point is that (mostly) lefties long for the days when democrats were totally in charge and there was no alternate voice and no conflict.

FDR was absolutely correct to do that.....National Security demanded it.

Now for the truth you have never heard..........


In Defense of Internment

 

[Unkotare]

FDR was absolutely correct to do that.....National Security demanded it.

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That is absolute bullshit, and the scumbag fdr damn well knew it.

 

[Unkotare]

Until 1965 most immigrants were people like us..........

"Us"? ???

 

[bodecea]

Up until recently the Democrat party was as Patriotic and loyal to the USA as the Republican party. America was truly the "United States". The Democrat party has been hijacked by commies. Simple.

Whining again?

 

[bodecea]

When people immigrated here a hundred years ago and before, they were expected to learn English. Fact.

By 3rd gen, they were fluent...same timeline as now.

 

[bodecea]

I never said that English was the official language. I said immigrants were expected to learn English and that's a fact. Immigrants worked to learn English because they knew that was the language. Christians didn't kill off the Indians. The Federal government did. Idiot.

By 3rd gen,. They were fluent, same as now.

 

[bodecea]

What was his name?

Von stuben

 

[bodecea]

Nobody seemed to care when FDR violated the basic premise of the Constitution by issuing an executive order to round up Americans and place them in concentration camps without due process. The point is that (mostly) lefties long for the days when democrats were totally in charge and there was no alternate voice and no conflict.

While abhorrent, Congress declaring war changed the Constitutional ballgame. We went total war footing.

 

[bodecea]

Fuck your retarded scare tactics...I don't play your stupid PC game...I'm a very proud bigot.
Now address the premise of the thread...DON'T BE SCARED.

Still a whiner...the Greatest Geration would be laughing at you.

 

[bodecea]

You mean like launching one investigation after the next...impeachments...etc etc?

How are those illegal? Sounds like you are afraid because the GOP is hiding something.

 

[BrokeLoser]

How are those illegal? Sounds like you are afraid because the GOP is hiding something.

You hired the worlds greatest investigator with my cash and found nothing...remember?

 

[Unkotare]

While abhorrent, Congress declaring war changed the Constitutional ballgame. ....

Anyone who believes that, does not believe in what those men of the US military were fighting for.

 

[Unkotare]

.... Immigrants worked to learn English because they knew that was the language. ...

Just like immigrants today do.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Just like immigrants today do.

I never heard of Euro immigrants waving Euro flags on American soil and protesting against the American Way...have you?

 

[Unkotare]

I never heard of Euro immigrants waving Euro flags on American soil ....

You haven't been paying attention.

 

[Unkotare]

... protesting against the American Way.....

Some do, but the great, great majority of immigrants from anywhere understand and value the American Way better than you do.

 

[Dragonlady]

When most Americans shared a last name with those who died in world wars, when most Americans were Protestant Christians, when most spoke the same language, when most loved, cherished, protected and preserved Americas flag, our history, tradition, culture and value system, when American nationalism was celebrated and encouraged, when most understood the value of hard work, determination and accountability, when most were ashamed to be funded by fellow citizens, when almost all were heterosexual and not gender confused.
Remember when only the smallest of things seperated the ideologies of the parties?

No one remembers these times because they never happened.

Black people arrived in the USA in 1619. The Spanish and Mexicans settled California. So this notion that the USA was always a "white country", is utterly and completely false. The USA was NEVER a protestant Christian country. There were always a LOT of Catholics, and Jews, and non-Christians.

The Founders separated religion and politics because the original Pilgrims who landed on Plymouth Rock were fleeing religious prosecution for not being Catholic in Europe. They suffered the same kinds of abuses that the Fundamentalists would inflict on the rest of the country if they ever achieved the power they seek.

THIS GOLDEN TIME YOU SPEAK OF WAS MISERY FOR BLACKS, WOMEN, GAYS, AND REALLY ANYONE WHO WASN'T A WHITE MALE. THESE WERE NOT THE GOOD OLD DAYS FOR ANYONE BUT STRAIGHT WHITE MEN.

 

[BS Filter]

No one remembers these times because they never happened.

Black people arrived in the USA in 1619. The Spanish and Mexicans settled California. So this notion that the USA was always a "white country", is utterly and completely false. The USA was NEVER a protestant Christian country. There were always a LOT of Catholics, and Jews, and non-Christians.

The Founders separated religion and politics because the original Pilgrims who landed on Plymouth Rock were fleeing religious prosecution for not being Catholic in Europe. They suffered the same kinds of abuses that the Fundamentalists would inflict on the rest of the country if they ever achieved the power they seek.

THIS GOLDEN TIME YOU SPEAK OF WAS MISERY FOR BLACKS, WOMEN, GAYS, AND REALLY ANYONE WHO WASN'T A WHITE MALE. THESE WERE NOT THE GOOD OLD DAYS FOR ANYONE BUT STRAIGHT WHITE MEN.

When those wagon trains in the 1800s full of lesbians and fairies were heading to San Francisco, they weren't attacked by straight White men.

 

[JohnDB]

Ummm
The same guerrilla warfare going on in Europe was continued here in America as the various denominations were brutally hostile to other denominations.
The famous quote "wall of separation between church and state" isn't in the constitution or bill of rights....it's a fragment of a sentence written by Thomas Jefferson concerning the State of Virginia (and their state sponsored Baptist Church) whipping the Pennsylvania Dutch Quakers and Deists the the border of their state to drive them out. Even if they were there on commercial trade reasons.
But the Crux of the Letter was that Thomas Jefferson wasn't going to get involved because it was a "Church" matter...the Baptist Church of the Virginians.... because it was considered to be that what we consider the state was termed the "Church"...and the "State" in his letter was the Federal Government.

Most people who didn't have so much hate and anger termed themselves as Deists...they didn't join in any denomination because they didn't want to war with anyone. Benjamin Franklin was famous for being a non-denominational Deist. But that in no way means he was not a Christian Believer. The first lines of his Autobiography express his sentiments precisely.

Look it up on pub-med and see it for yourself. Read it for a real understanding of one of the founding fathers and the issues they faced. It's actually a fairly easy and good read. He was a good writer...better than Thomas Jefferson claimed he was.