What's up y'all?

[Moonglow]

So a bit of a backstory on my screen name.

It's almost an inside joke to some... My parents, and their parents, all the way back to 1732 were Pennsylvanians,, every damn bit of them. I was the first Southern born child in the history of my family, and I was raised in the heart of the Confederacy, Culpeper County Virginia. Since then, I have lived in West Virginia and now Kentucky, and am hoping to move either further down South when I get the chance.

Hey my boyfriend's dad was a do it yourselfer from PA. He still has family he used to visit up there for reunions till he quit driving that far.

I have friends starting their own cooperative township in Splendora, based on growing food on 3-5 acres of land they just cleared. The church based nonprofit runs and trains people in managing their own health care cooperatives at cost to cut out corporate and govt middlemen and contract directly through nonprofit associations.

If you want to come visit Texas, or set up a 3 to 12 month paid internship, I can introduce you to the team. If you can teach us how to farm and best use the blank land that is ready to go, that could be your job with the cooperative, while Bret (the Libertarian lawyer) handles all the nonprofit licensing and contracts so we can legally do whatever we want as a church based program. And Don the founder trains us in all the health care aspects based on over 30 years of R&D.

I would like to set up internships with Ted Cruz or Dan Crenshaw (or also SJLee and Lizzie Fletcher who are Democrats) to study the ability of Cooperatives to separate prochoice and prolife tax funding to solve political conflicts over health care.

Would you like to contact your KY Senator Paul Rand who supports medical associations? And see if we could set up a college level program and internship for you? You could study and work with the nonprofit Cooperative in Texas, then we would help you replicate it in KY.

I would be willing to intern on the legal and legislative policies, in order to go through the same process Don and Bret went through in TX, and make that available in other states.

But just to work on developing the Cooperative farm where the residents decide democratically how to apply their own resources and manage their own economy, are you interested in that?

If you just want to play with guns, go visit two or three ranches and shoot wild hogs. I can ask some friends if you want to come visit.

I don't own land, but I know places you could go hog hunting. Don's church nonprofit owns about 35 acres (including their own gun shooting range area) he has invited anyone interested in the Cooperative to come live and work there and decide how to use it to teach independent living. He isn't into politics but just wants to grow solutions through the cooperative where you invest and manage resources directly and democratically.

Bret is more Libertarian but doesn't share Christian faith as the Constitutionalists tend to invoke. I would like to know how Sen. Paul might respond to this idea of supporting education in Constitutional govt and health care cooperatives to democratize districts to be self governing.

Is there a local college near you that might support a 2 year associate degree or internship for credits? I think there is an alternative college on the East coast that allows students to design their own degree plan by consulting with their staff and connecting it to real outreach and experience as part of the education. When you finish your program you ring the bell. Would you and your parents be open to ideas for collaborating on designing a college program for you?

I live by Noel, Mo. I have 43 acres and I don't kill for sport just survival.

 

[emilynghiem]

You're flag is racist- just an FYI- but, sfw- I love the Stars and Stripes myself- especially on top of the General Lee-

Actually, the flag is history.

So is this:

View attachment 477815

German history.

World history.

You are right. History is history. Good or bad.

I agree with, as far as history goes. But there were a lot of years in which domestic terrorists used the symbol to keep a segment of the population in line. Both the overt terrorist acts and the threat of more of those acts created a legacy for that piece of history.

We are supposed to learn from history, not pay for it.

"not pay for it"???

Learn from history but not rewrite it for political reasons.

Rye Catcher WinterBorn
We can ALL write our own histories from our perspective. But claim responsibility that is our voice. Not try to make "other people responsible" for agreeing or validating how we say and see things.

Real free speech and intellectual freedom of beliefs stands on its own.

We do not need to make other people wrong in order to be right.

That is a scarcity mentality myth used to compete for pack dominance in pecking order turf wars to delineate leaders from followers and organize by likeminded groups.

Once we agree to respect each other equally, and use all groups effectively to govern their own members, we can all be right and stay within our respective jurisdiction, especially where we conflict.

We can peacefully co exist and still keep our different beliefs and perspectives.

The one thing that changes is our perception of conflict. We do not need to change or coerce beliefs to get along.

Just find better solutions that don't require imposing or forcing change on people or groups of different beliefs. And we can make the most of our resources and relations, even if we still see things in different ways or take contradictory approaches to govt. We don't have to agree on everything in order to focus on where we do agree to get things done.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

Good day gentlemen, my name is [REDACTED] and I am an 18 year old guy from the Eastern woods of Kentucky.

I am a self proclaimed conservative, and proud to be a conservative teen in a world full of moronic kids my age. I am home schooled (Thank God for that), and live on a farm surrounded by woods and "hollers". I love to relic hunt, hunt, bottle hunt, coin roll hunt, Bargain hunt, you get the picture.




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Welcome, Soldier and fellow Patriot!
We need more good citizens like you.

My best friend from high school and her husband have two sons about your age who complain about the liberal agenda taught in schools. I contacted Turning Point USA to start a chapter for teaching Constitutional education instead of students getting harassed and bullied for being conservative.

I'm a Constitutionalist, Universalist and Texas Democrat who everyone says is too conservative to last there, but I am committed to reparations the Democrats owe taxpayers for destroying and exploiting the Black communities and minority voters with ongoing govt abuses I have been working to correct since I first became active in local politics and govt in the early 1990s when I was 23.

Now I'm trying to help the next generation of leaders NOT make the same mistakes that have caused a huge gap between the 80s kids like me who enjoyed the benefits of the Reagan conservative revival, and today's liberal reactionary backlash that has swung the other way.

We need to take the BEST of every party.
Your Congress Rep Rand Paul is like today's Daniel Boone. We need to team up under TX GOP Allen West who has called to unite States to form a Constitutional Confederation.

If your parents would like to work on a team to help make sure everyone is educated on Constitutional laws and enforcement, Hey let's do this.

If you would like, I am happy to help raise money for you to take a trip to TX to visit the Alamo and I can ask my GOP friends who are Party chairs, can we organize a coalition meeting just for independent students and graduates like you. To make sure you have all the support you need to take over management and leadership when it is your turn to be in charge.

Thanks for joining us!

Sorry if I overdid it with my welcome.

But I hate to see my favorites student (my best friend's son) get in trouble for talking back to teachers when they start the liberal clap trap crap.

I want to make sure all our future generations have the opportunities we had in the 80s, where we worked hard and had fun, enjoyed good music and free speech with uncensored humor, and didn't pollute our own nest or attack our own country.

If you have ideas you want to pursue, let me know how I can help you and any of the parties you want to work with. Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, Allen West and Lt Gov Patrick all need support to keep Texas and other States Constitutionalist and not fall to socialist statism.

Yours truly,
Emily in Houston

My youngest son is a liberal and complains about the conservative agenda being taught in school.

>My youngest son is a liberal and complains about the conservative agenda being taught in school.

If you are referring to the local public schools, I bet you have great schools with above-average test scores on aptitude tests and below-average drop out rate, and above average rates of college attendance.

McDonald County R-I School District is an above average, public school district located in Anderson, MO. It has 3,794 students in grades PK, K-12 with a student-teacher ratio of 13 to 1. According to state test scores, 43% of students are at least proficient in math and 50% in reading.

It's rated B+ from your invisible link I found. Also, average graduation rate is 92%.

McDonald County R-I School District Test Scores and Academics

Explore McDonald County R-I School District test scores and academic statistics.

www.niche.com

Those proficiency ratings seem very low to me (barely above average for MO).

Top 10 Best Math Proficiency Public Schools in Missouri (2024-25)

View the top 10 best math proficiency public schools in Missouri 2024-25. Read about great schools like: Skyline Elementary School, Mark Twain Elementary School and Richland Elementary School.

www.publicschoolreview.com

Could be worse, I guess. He could live in a Liberal city with a dramatically worse educational environment.

 

[emilynghiem]

So a bit of a backstory on my screen name.

It's almost an inside joke to some... My parents, and their parents, all the way back to 1732 were Pennsylvanians,, every damn bit of them. I was the first Southern born child in the history of my family, and I was raised in the heart of the Confederacy, Culpeper County Virginia. Since then, I have lived in West Virginia and now Kentucky, and am hoping to move either further down South when I get the chance.

Hey my boyfriend's dad was a do it yourselfer from PA. He still has family he used to visit up there for reunions till he quit driving that far.

I have friends starting their own cooperative township in Splendora, based on growing food on 3-5 acres of land they just cleared. The church based nonprofit runs and trains people in managing their own health care cooperatives at cost to cut out corporate and govt middlemen and contract directly through nonprofit associations.

If you want to come visit Texas, or set up a 3 to 12 month paid internship, I can introduce you to the team. If you can teach us how to farm and best use the blank land that is ready to go, that could be your job with the cooperative, while Bret (the Libertarian lawyer) handles all the nonprofit licensing and contracts so we can legally do whatever we want as a church based program. And Don the founder trains us in all the health care aspects based on over 30 years of R&D.

I would like to set up internships with Ted Cruz or Dan Crenshaw (or also SJLee and Lizzie Fletcher who are Democrats) to study the ability of Cooperatives to separate prochoice and prolife tax funding to solve political conflicts over health care.

Would you like to contact your KY Senator Paul Rand who supports medical associations? And see if we could set up a college level program and internship for you? You could study and work with the nonprofit Cooperative in Texas, then we would help you replicate it in KY.

I would be willing to intern on the legal and legislative policies, in order to go through the same process Don and Bret went through in TX, and make that available in other states.

But just to work on developing the Cooperative farm where the residents decide democratically how to apply their own resources and manage their own economy, are you interested in that?

If you just want to play with guns, go visit two or three ranches and shoot wild hogs. I can ask some friends if you want to come visit.

I don't own land, but I know places you could go hog hunting. Don's church nonprofit owns about 35 acres (including their own gun shooting range area) he has invited anyone interested in the Cooperative to come live and work there and decide how to use it to teach independent living. He isn't into politics but just wants to grow solutions through the cooperative where you invest and manage resources directly and democratically.

Bret is more Libertarian but doesn't share Christian faith as the Constitutionalists tend to invoke. I would like to know how Sen. Paul might respond to this idea of supporting education in Constitutional govt and health care cooperatives to democratize districts to be self governing.

Is there a local college near you that might support a 2 year associate degree or internship for credits? I think there is an alternative college on the East coast that allows students to design their own degree plan by consulting with their staff and connecting it to real outreach and experience as part of the education. When you finish your program you ring the bell. Would you and your parents be open to ideas for collaborating on designing a college program for you?

I live by Noel, Mo. I have 43 acres and I don't kill for sport just survival.

Don is more into natural green living and socializing the costs of health care without losing the democratic liberty of personal ownership and management to govt.

The hog hunting would be at other sites, not at his location.

A different friend Steve wants to set up a farm for hunting hogs and processing meat, but he hasn't made any plans where to look for land much less raise money.

The man I know who has land around Fredericksburg is part of the Latino Coalition that is Conservative.

The family I know raising two sons Conservative plans to buy land and move West. But not that far out.

The places with hogs destroying ranches are closer to East Texas where these hogs came in from Arkansas.

I also heard about a nonprofit in Arkansas that has land to set up sustainable farming.

Don's acreage in Splendora north of Kingwood is focused so far on the health care cooperative, and started planning for the farming and gardening right when the pandemic shutdowns hit.

If Confederate Soldier or anyone else here is interested in starting there, where there is already housing available for room and board for anyone who wants to visit or move there to work and live. We want to use that training to build co-op sites elsewhere, such as helping my friend Steve find and buy land for a hog farm either around Dallas or maybe closer to the Border.

 

[WinterBorn]

You're flag is racist- just an FYI- but, sfw- I love the Stars and Stripes myself- especially on top of the General Lee-

Actually, the flag is history.

So is this:

View attachment 477815

German history.

World history.

You are right. History is history. Good or bad.

I agree with, as far as history goes. But there were a lot of years in which domestic terrorists used the symbol to keep a segment of the population in line. Both the overt terrorist acts and the threat of more of those acts created a legacy for that piece of history.

We are supposed to learn from history, not pay for it.

When a symbol is used to terrify a specific segment of the population, and many people of authority ignored the issues, it changes the way the symbol is perceived.

You are not having to pay for it. But how many think that flag that has caused so much trouble is the flag of the Confederate States?

Yes, the Confederacy is history. But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity.


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A mod getting all political in an intro thread?

I was a poster before I was a mod. And I am still, often, just a regular poster. Albeit, one you can't put on ignore.

 

[WinterBorn]

You're flag is racist- just an FYI- but, sfw- I love the Stars and Stripes myself- especially on top of the General Lee-

Actually, the flag is history.

So is this:

View attachment 477815

German history.

World history.

You are right. History is history. Good or bad.

I agree with, as far as history goes. But there were a lot of years in which domestic terrorists used the symbol to keep a segment of the population in line. Both the overt terrorist acts and the threat of more of those acts created a legacy for that piece of history.

We are supposed to learn from history, not pay for it.

When a symbol is used to terrify a specific segment of the population, and many people of authority ignored the issues, it changes the way the symbol is perceived.

You are not having to pay for it. But how many think that flag that has caused so much trouble is the flag of the Confederate States?

Yes, the Confederacy is history. But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity.


View attachment 477877

Yes and No WinterBorn
This is not an exclusive monopoly.
We do have to be careful and considerate but that does not mean judging and punishing people for our differences in cultural meaning and perspective.

The WAP video upset a lot of people, but not everyone agreed. Dissenters can turn off the Grammy's and not support that sector of the music industry.

You can wave your own flag and teach your interpretation of these symbols.

But you cannot expect to impose your interpretation as the "dominant mandate everyone must follow" without becoming the thought police you are fighting against.

I am not imposing my interpretation on anyone. Just explaining why the waving of the battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia is prone to incite hostile feelings in some.

 

[MisterBeale]

You're flag is racist- just an FYI- but, sfw- I love the Stars and Stripes myself- especially on top of the General Lee-

Actually, the flag is history.

So is this:

View attachment 477815

German history.

World history.

You are right. History is history. Good or bad.

I agree with, as far as history goes. But there were a lot of years in which domestic terrorists used the symbol to keep a segment of the population in line. Both the overt terrorist acts and the threat of more of those acts created a legacy for that piece of history.

We are supposed to learn from history, not pay for it.

When a symbol is used to terrify a specific segment of the population, and many people of authority ignored the issues, it changes the way the symbol is perceived.

You are not having to pay for it. But how many think that flag that has caused so much trouble is the flag of the Confederate States?

Yes, the Confederacy is history. But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity.


View attachment 477877

Yes and No WinterBorn
This is not an exclusive monopoly.
We do have to be careful and considerate but that does not mean judging and punishing people for our differences in cultural meaning and perspective.

The WAP video upset a lot of people, but not everyone agreed. Dissenters can turn off the Grammy's and not support that sector of the music industry.

You can wave your own flag and teach your interpretation of these symbols.

But you cannot expect to impose your interpretation as the "dominant mandate everyone must follow" without becoming the thought police you are fighting against.

I am not imposing my interpretation on anyone. Just explaining why the waving of the battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia is prone to incite hostile feelings in some.

In the old days? 30, 40 years ago. . . the left liked to offend folks, they were never worried about folks feelings. This is America, grow up and be responsible for your own damn feelings.

If you can't control your feelings? You are a child and had lousy parenting and schooling.

 

[Moonglow]

So a bit of a backstory on my screen name.

It's almost an inside joke to some... My parents, and their parents, all the way back to 1732 were Pennsylvanians,, every damn bit of them. I was the first Southern born child in the history of my family, and I was raised in the heart of the Confederacy, Culpeper County Virginia. Since then, I have lived in West Virginia and now Kentucky, and am hoping to move either further down South when I get the chance.

Hey my boyfriend's dad was a do it yourselfer from PA. He still has family he used to visit up there for reunions till he quit driving that far.

I have friends starting their own cooperative township in Splendora, based on growing food on 3-5 acres of land they just cleared. The church based nonprofit runs and trains people in managing their own health care cooperatives at cost to cut out corporate and govt middlemen and contract directly through nonprofit associations.

If you want to come visit Texas, or set up a 3 to 12 month paid internship, I can introduce you to the team. If you can teach us how to farm and best use the blank land that is ready to go, that could be your job with the cooperative, while Bret (the Libertarian lawyer) handles all the nonprofit licensing and contracts so we can legally do whatever we want as a church based program. And Don the founder trains us in all the health care aspects based on over 30 years of R&D.

I would like to set up internships with Ted Cruz or Dan Crenshaw (or also SJLee and Lizzie Fletcher who are Democrats) to study the ability of Cooperatives to separate prochoice and prolife tax funding to solve political conflicts over health care.

Would you like to contact your KY Senator Paul Rand who supports medical associations? And see if we could set up a college level program and internship for you? You could study and work with the nonprofit Cooperative in Texas, then we would help you replicate it in KY.

I would be willing to intern on the legal and legislative policies, in order to go through the same process Don and Bret went through in TX, and make that available in other states.

But just to work on developing the Cooperative farm where the residents decide democratically how to apply their own resources and manage their own economy, are you interested in that?

If you just want to play with guns, go visit two or three ranches and shoot wild hogs. I can ask some friends if you want to come visit.

I don't own land, but I know places you could go hog hunting. Don's church nonprofit owns about 35 acres (including their own gun shooting range area) he has invited anyone interested in the Cooperative to come live and work there and decide how to use it to teach independent living. He isn't into politics but just wants to grow solutions through the cooperative where you invest and manage resources directly and democratically.

Bret is more Libertarian but doesn't share Christian faith as the Constitutionalists tend to invoke. I would like to know how Sen. Paul might respond to this idea of supporting education in Constitutional govt and health care cooperatives to democratize districts to be self governing.

Is there a local college near you that might support a 2 year associate degree or internship for credits? I think there is an alternative college on the East coast that allows students to design their own degree plan by consulting with their staff and connecting it to real outreach and experience as part of the education. When you finish your program you ring the bell. Would you and your parents be open to ideas for collaborating on designing a college program for you?

I live by Noel, Mo. I have 43 acres and I don't kill for sport just survival.

Don is more into natural green living and socializing the costs of health care without losing the democratic liberty of personal ownership and management to govt.

The hog hunting would be at other sites, not at his location.

A different friend Steve wants to set up a farm for hunting hogs and processing meat, but he hasn't made any plans where to look for land much less raise money.

The man I know who has land around Fredericksburg is part of the Latino Coalition that is Conservative.

The family I know raising two sons Conservative plans to buy land and move West. But not that far out.

The places with hogs destroying ranches are closer to East Texas where these hogs came in from Arkansas.

I also heard about a nonprofit in Arkansas that has land to set up sustainable farming.

Don's acreage in Splendora north of Kingwood is focused so far on the health care cooperative, and started planning for the farming and gardening right when the pandemic shutdowns hit.

If Confederate Soldier or anyone else here is interested in starting there, where there is already housing available for room and board for anyone who wants to visit or move there to work and live. We want to use that training to build co-op sites elsewhere, such as helping my friend Steve find and buy land for a hog farm either around Dallas or maybe closer to the Border.

The meat is not worth eating which is why they would render them into lye soap. As long as there is a police state, a drug war and a war on terror there is no freedom or liberty in the USA.

 

[emilynghiem]

So a bit of a backstory on my screen name.

It's almost an inside joke to some... My parents, and their parents, all the way back to 1732 were Pennsylvanians,, every damn bit of them. I was the first Southern born child in the history of my family, and I was raised in the heart of the Confederacy, Culpeper County Virginia. Since then, I have lived in West Virginia and now Kentucky, and am hoping to move either further down South when I get the chance.

Hey my boyfriend's dad was a do it yourselfer from PA. He still has family he used to visit up there for reunions till he quit driving that far.

I have friends starting their own cooperative township in Splendora, based on growing food on 3-5 acres of land they just cleared. The church based nonprofit runs and trains people in managing their own health care cooperatives at cost to cut out corporate and govt middlemen and contract directly through nonprofit associations.

If you want to come visit Texas, or set up a 3 to 12 month paid internship, I can introduce you to the team. If you can teach us how to farm and best use the blank land that is ready to go, that could be your job with the cooperative, while Bret (the Libertarian lawyer) handles all the nonprofit licensing and contracts so we can legally do whatever we want as a church based program. And Don the founder trains us in all the health care aspects based on over 30 years of R&D.

I would like to set up internships with Ted Cruz or Dan Crenshaw (or also SJLee and Lizzie Fletcher who are Democrats) to study the ability of Cooperatives to separate prochoice and prolife tax funding to solve political conflicts over health care.

Would you like to contact your KY Senator Paul Rand who supports medical associations? And see if we could set up a college level program and internship for you? You could study and work with the nonprofit Cooperative in Texas, then we would help you replicate it in KY.

I would be willing to intern on the legal and legislative policies, in order to go through the same process Don and Bret went through in TX, and make that available in other states.

But just to work on developing the Cooperative farm where the residents decide democratically how to apply their own resources and manage their own economy, are you interested in that?

If you just want to play with guns, go visit two or three ranches and shoot wild hogs. I can ask some friends if you want to come visit.

I don't own land, but I know places you could go hog hunting. Don's church nonprofit owns about 35 acres (including their own gun shooting range area) he has invited anyone interested in the Cooperative to come live and work there and decide how to use it to teach independent living. He isn't into politics but just wants to grow solutions through the cooperative where you invest and manage resources directly and democratically.

Bret is more Libertarian but doesn't share Christian faith as the Constitutionalists tend to invoke. I would like to know how Sen. Paul might respond to this idea of supporting education in Constitutional govt and health care cooperatives to democratize districts to be self governing.

Is there a local college near you that might support a 2 year associate degree or internship for credits? I think there is an alternative college on the East coast that allows students to design their own degree plan by consulting with their staff and connecting it to real outreach and experience as part of the education. When you finish your program you ring the bell. Would you and your parents be open to ideas for collaborating on designing a college program for you?

I live by Noel, Mo. I have 43 acres and I don't kill for sport just survival.

Don is more into natural green living and socializing the costs of health care without losing the democratic liberty of personal ownership and management to govt.

The hog hunting would be at other sites, not at his location.

A different friend Steve wants to set up a farm for hunting hogs and processing meat, but he hasn't made any plans where to look for land much less raise money.

The man I know who has land around Fredericksburg is part of the Latino Coalition that is Conservative.

The family I know raising two sons Conservative plans to buy land and move West. But not that far out.

The places with hogs destroying ranches are closer to East Texas where these hogs came in from Arkansas.

I also heard about a nonprofit in Arkansas that has land to set up sustainable farming.

Don's acreage in Splendora north of Kingwood is focused so far on the health care cooperative, and started planning for the farming and gardening right when the pandemic shutdowns hit.

If Confederate Soldier or anyone else here is interested in starting there, where there is already housing available for room and board for anyone who wants to visit or move there to work and live. We want to use that training to build co-op sites elsewhere, such as helping my friend Steve find and buy land for a hog farm either around Dallas or maybe closer to the Border.

The meat is not worth eating which is why they would render them into lye soap. As long as there is a police state, a drug war and a war on terror there is no freedom or liberty in the USA.

Many people, like the Mexicans, are able to cull the meat for both food and other products. Either way it doesn't need to go to waste and can create jobs and ways of feeding people.

My friend Steve even likes the idea of making his dream farm into a place for pitbull rescues and training dogs to hunt dogs. So he can create jobs solving several problems with both dangerous dogs and hogs to stop attacks, while creating much needed jobs for immigrant workers or ex inmates who could work on land in exchange for shares in ownership.

Why not have workers trained to run and manage their own hog farms instead of gangs running crime through sanctuary cities.

Confederate Soldier What kind of work do you do on your farm? Have the Trump tariff and bailout policies or the issues of organic and environmental conservation affected the farm business and operations where you are?

 

[WinterBorn]

You're flag is racist- just an FYI- but, sfw- I love the Stars and Stripes myself- especially on top of the General Lee-

Actually, the flag is history.

So is this:

View attachment 477815

German history.

World history.

You are right. History is history. Good or bad.

I agree with, as far as history goes. But there were a lot of years in which domestic terrorists used the symbol to keep a segment of the population in line. Both the overt terrorist acts and the threat of more of those acts created a legacy for that piece of history.

We are supposed to learn from history, not pay for it.

When a symbol is used to terrify a specific segment of the population, and many people of authority ignored the issues, it changes the way the symbol is perceived.

You are not having to pay for it. But how many think that flag that has caused so much trouble is the flag of the Confederate States?

Yes, the Confederacy is history. But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity.


View attachment 477877

Yes and No WinterBorn
This is not an exclusive monopoly.
We do have to be careful and considerate but that does not mean judging and punishing people for our differences in cultural meaning and perspective.

The WAP video upset a lot of people, but not everyone agreed. Dissenters can turn off the Grammy's and not support that sector of the music industry.

You can wave your own flag and teach your interpretation of these symbols.

But you cannot expect to impose your interpretation as the "dominant mandate everyone must follow" without becoming the thought police you are fighting against.

I am not imposing my interpretation on anyone. Just explaining why the waving of the battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia is prone to incite hostile feelings in some.

In the old days? 30, 40 years ago. . . the left liked to offend folks, they were never worried about folks feelings. This is America, grow up and be responsible for your own damn feelings.

If you can't control your feelings? You are a child and had lousy parenting and schooling.

I am all grown up, thanks. I am also responsible for my own damn feelings. No problem.

I have control over my feelings. I am not a child. And I had excellent parents and good schooling.




But thanks for your concern.

 

[WinterBorn]

So a bit of a backstory on my screen name.

It's almost an inside joke to some... My parents, and their parents, all the way back to 1732 were Pennsylvanians,, every damn bit of them. I was the first Southern born child in the history of my family, and I was raised in the heart of the Confederacy, Culpeper County Virginia. Since then, I have lived in West Virginia and now Kentucky, and am hoping to move either further down South when I get the chance.

Hey my boyfriend's dad was a do it yourselfer from PA. He still has family he used to visit up there for reunions till he quit driving that far.

I have friends starting their own cooperative township in Splendora, based on growing food on 3-5 acres of land they just cleared. The church based nonprofit runs and trains people in managing their own health care cooperatives at cost to cut out corporate and govt middlemen and contract directly through nonprofit associations.

If you want to come visit Texas, or set up a 3 to 12 month paid internship, I can introduce you to the team. If you can teach us how to farm and best use the blank land that is ready to go, that could be your job with the cooperative, while Bret (the Libertarian lawyer) handles all the nonprofit licensing and contracts so we can legally do whatever we want as a church based program. And Don the founder trains us in all the health care aspects based on over 30 years of R&D.

I would like to set up internships with Ted Cruz or Dan Crenshaw (or also SJLee and Lizzie Fletcher who are Democrats) to study the ability of Cooperatives to separate prochoice and prolife tax funding to solve political conflicts over health care.

Would you like to contact your KY Senator Paul Rand who supports medical associations? And see if we could set up a college level program and internship for you? You could study and work with the nonprofit Cooperative in Texas, then we would help you replicate it in KY.

I would be willing to intern on the legal and legislative policies, in order to go through the same process Don and Bret went through in TX, and make that available in other states.

But just to work on developing the Cooperative farm where the residents decide democratically how to apply their own resources and manage their own economy, are you interested in that?

If you just want to play with guns, go visit two or three ranches and shoot wild hogs. I can ask some friends if you want to come visit.

I don't own land, but I know places you could go hog hunting. Don's church nonprofit owns about 35 acres (including their own gun shooting range area) he has invited anyone interested in the Cooperative to come live and work there and decide how to use it to teach independent living. He isn't into politics but just wants to grow solutions through the cooperative where you invest and manage resources directly and democratically.

Bret is more Libertarian but doesn't share Christian faith as the Constitutionalists tend to invoke. I would like to know how Sen. Paul might respond to this idea of supporting education in Constitutional govt and health care cooperatives to democratize districts to be self governing.

Is there a local college near you that might support a 2 year associate degree or internship for credits? I think there is an alternative college on the East coast that allows students to design their own degree plan by consulting with their staff and connecting it to real outreach and experience as part of the education. When you finish your program you ring the bell. Would you and your parents be open to ideas for collaborating on designing a college program for you?

I live by Noel, Mo. I have 43 acres and I don't kill for sport just survival.

Don is more into natural green living and socializing the costs of health care without losing the democratic liberty of personal ownership and management to govt.

The hog hunting would be at other sites, not at his location.

A different friend Steve wants to set up a farm for hunting hogs and processing meat, but he hasn't made any plans where to look for land much less raise money.

The man I know who has land around Fredericksburg is part of the Latino Coalition that is Conservative.

The family I know raising two sons Conservative plans to buy land and move West. But not that far out.

The places with hogs destroying ranches are closer to East Texas where these hogs came in from Arkansas.

I also heard about a nonprofit in Arkansas that has land to set up sustainable farming.

Don's acreage in Splendora north of Kingwood is focused so far on the health care cooperative, and started planning for the farming and gardening right when the pandemic shutdowns hit.

If Confederate Soldier or anyone else here is interested in starting there, where there is already housing available for room and board for anyone who wants to visit or move there to work and live. We want to use that training to build co-op sites elsewhere, such as helping my friend Steve find and buy land for a hog farm either around Dallas or maybe closer to the Border.

The meat is not worth eating which is why they would render them into lye soap. As long as there is a police state, a drug war and a war on terror there is no freedom or liberty in the USA.

I beg to differ. As long as you do not take a really big hog, the meat is absolutely delicious. At least the meat from the hogs I have killed in south Georgia si.

I do hunt. For both sport and for food. And see nothing wrong with it. I am helping keep things balance and certainly doing service for local farmers.

 

[MisterBeale]

You're flag is racist- just an FYI- but, sfw- I love the Stars and Stripes myself- especially on top of the General Lee-

Actually, the flag is history.

So is this:

View attachment 477815

German history.

World history.

You are right. History is history. Good or bad.

I agree with, as far as history goes. But there were a lot of years in which domestic terrorists used the symbol to keep a segment of the population in line. Both the overt terrorist acts and the threat of more of those acts created a legacy for that piece of history.

We are supposed to learn from history, not pay for it.

When a symbol is used to terrify a specific segment of the population, and many people of authority ignored the issues, it changes the way the symbol is perceived.

You are not having to pay for it. But how many think that flag that has caused so much trouble is the flag of the Confederate States?

Yes, the Confederacy is history. But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity.


View attachment 477877

Yes and No WinterBorn
This is not an exclusive monopoly.
We do have to be careful and considerate but that does not mean judging and punishing people for our differences in cultural meaning and perspective.

The WAP video upset a lot of people, but not everyone agreed. Dissenters can turn off the Grammy's and not support that sector of the music industry.

You can wave your own flag and teach your interpretation of these symbols.

But you cannot expect to impose your interpretation as the "dominant mandate everyone must follow" without becoming the thought police you are fighting against.

I am not imposing my interpretation on anyone. Just explaining why the waving of the battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia is prone to incite hostile feelings in some.

In the old days? 30, 40 years ago. . . the left liked to offend folks, they were never worried about folks feelings. This is America, grow up and be responsible for your own damn feelings.

If you can't control your feelings? You are a child and had lousy parenting and schooling.

I am all grown up, thanks. I am also responsible for my own damn feelings. No problem.

I have control over my feelings. I am not a child. And I had excellent parents and good schooling.




But thanks for your concern.

Great. . . so stop white knighting for folks, and let anyone say anything they want, and wave any flag they want.

Freedom, what a concept?

 

[WinterBorn]

You're flag is racist- just an FYI- but, sfw- I love the Stars and Stripes myself- especially on top of the General Lee-

Actually, the flag is history.

So is this:

View attachment 477815

German history.

World history.

You are right. History is history. Good or bad.

I agree with, as far as history goes. But there were a lot of years in which domestic terrorists used the symbol to keep a segment of the population in line. Both the overt terrorist acts and the threat of more of those acts created a legacy for that piece of history.

We are supposed to learn from history, not pay for it.

When a symbol is used to terrify a specific segment of the population, and many people of authority ignored the issues, it changes the way the symbol is perceived.

You are not having to pay for it. But how many think that flag that has caused so much trouble is the flag of the Confederate States?

Yes, the Confederacy is history. But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity.


View attachment 477877

Yes and No WinterBorn
This is not an exclusive monopoly.
We do have to be careful and considerate but that does not mean judging and punishing people for our differences in cultural meaning and perspective.

The WAP video upset a lot of people, but not everyone agreed. Dissenters can turn off the Grammy's and not support that sector of the music industry.

You can wave your own flag and teach your interpretation of these symbols.

But you cannot expect to impose your interpretation as the "dominant mandate everyone must follow" without becoming the thought police you are fighting against.

I am not imposing my interpretation on anyone. Just explaining why the waving of the battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia is prone to incite hostile feelings in some.

In the old days? 30, 40 years ago. . . the left liked to offend folks, they were never worried about folks feelings. This is America, grow up and be responsible for your own damn feelings.

If you can't control your feelings? You are a child and had lousy parenting and schooling.

I am all grown up, thanks. I am also responsible for my own damn feelings. No problem.

I have control over my feelings. I am not a child. And I had excellent parents and good schooling.




But thanks for your concern.

Great. . . so stop white knighting for folks, and let anyone say anything they want, and wave any flag they want.

Freedom, what a concept?

I am only responsible for what I say. I am not responsible for your misinterpretation of what I say.

Can you please point out where I said people should not be allowed to wave any flag they want?

 

[MisterBeale]

You're flag is racist- just an FYI- but, sfw- I love the Stars and Stripes myself- especially on top of the General Lee-

Actually, the flag is history.

So is this:

View attachment 477815

German history.

World history.

You are right. History is history. Good or bad.

I agree with, as far as history goes. But there were a lot of years in which domestic terrorists used the symbol to keep a segment of the population in line. Both the overt terrorist acts and the threat of more of those acts created a legacy for that piece of history.

We are supposed to learn from history, not pay for it.

When a symbol is used to terrify a specific segment of the population, and many people of authority ignored the issues, it changes the way the symbol is perceived.

You are not having to pay for it. But how many think that flag that has caused so much trouble is the flag of the Confederate States?

Yes, the Confederacy is history. But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity.


View attachment 477877

Yes and No WinterBorn
This is not an exclusive monopoly.
We do have to be careful and considerate but that does not mean judging and punishing people for our differences in cultural meaning and perspective.

The WAP video upset a lot of people, but not everyone agreed. Dissenters can turn off the Grammy's and not support that sector of the music industry.

You can wave your own flag and teach your interpretation of these symbols.

But you cannot expect to impose your interpretation as the "dominant mandate everyone must follow" without becoming the thought police you are fighting against.

I am not imposing my interpretation on anyone. Just explaining why the waving of the battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia is prone to incite hostile feelings in some.

In the old days? 30, 40 years ago. . . the left liked to offend folks, they were never worried about folks feelings. This is America, grow up and be responsible for your own damn feelings.

If you can't control your feelings? You are a child and had lousy parenting and schooling.

I am all grown up, thanks. I am also responsible for my own damn feelings. No problem.

I have control over my feelings. I am not a child. And I had excellent parents and good schooling.




But thanks for your concern.

Great. . . so stop white knighting for folks, and let anyone say anything they want, and wave any flag they want.

Freedom, what a concept?

I am only responsible for what I say. I am not responsible for your misinterpretation of what I say.

Can you please point out where I said people should not be allowed to wave any flag they want?

You are telling the forum, when others use a flag, what their intentions are. . . by the reactions on-lookers have.

"But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity."

This, of course, is wrong.

The intentions of those using the symbol, belong to the person using the symbol.

Just the same as. . . If I made the claim that you are calling every person that waves the American Flag a white supremacist, even though this is clearly something you have never written? That would be false. So I have no right to impute upon you something you have never said or written. . . yet you are in this thread imputing motive on folks by the way their use of a symbol makes others feel.

That is ridiculous.

How others feel about the use of a symbol? That is on them.

The only thing that matters is what a person says about the use of that symbol.

All of the times folks in various states demanded that the Battle flag of Virginia be taken out of the State Capitol flags? All of those instances were patently ridiculous. . . as none of those instances had anything at all to do with slavery, nothing. It was purely a political move by the left and the federalists grasp for more power.

That had to do with depressing Southern Heritage.

 

[Moonglow]

So a bit of a backstory on my screen name.

It's almost an inside joke to some... My parents, and their parents, all the way back to 1732 were Pennsylvanians,, every damn bit of them. I was the first Southern born child in the history of my family, and I was raised in the heart of the Confederacy, Culpeper County Virginia. Since then, I have lived in West Virginia and now Kentucky, and am hoping to move either further down South when I get the chance.

Hey my boyfriend's dad was a do it yourselfer from PA. He still has family he used to visit up there for reunions till he quit driving that far.

I have friends starting their own cooperative township in Splendora, based on growing food on 3-5 acres of land they just cleared. The church based nonprofit runs and trains people in managing their own health care cooperatives at cost to cut out corporate and govt middlemen and contract directly through nonprofit associations.

If you want to come visit Texas, or set up a 3 to 12 month paid internship, I can introduce you to the team. If you can teach us how to farm and best use the blank land that is ready to go, that could be your job with the cooperative, while Bret (the Libertarian lawyer) handles all the nonprofit licensing and contracts so we can legally do whatever we want as a church based program. And Don the founder trains us in all the health care aspects based on over 30 years of R&D.

I would like to set up internships with Ted Cruz or Dan Crenshaw (or also SJLee and Lizzie Fletcher who are Democrats) to study the ability of Cooperatives to separate prochoice and prolife tax funding to solve political conflicts over health care.

Would you like to contact your KY Senator Paul Rand who supports medical associations? And see if we could set up a college level program and internship for you? You could study and work with the nonprofit Cooperative in Texas, then we would help you replicate it in KY.

I would be willing to intern on the legal and legislative policies, in order to go through the same process Don and Bret went through in TX, and make that available in other states.

But just to work on developing the Cooperative farm where the residents decide democratically how to apply their own resources and manage their own economy, are you interested in that?

If you just want to play with guns, go visit two or three ranches and shoot wild hogs. I can ask some friends if you want to come visit.

I don't own land, but I know places you could go hog hunting. Don's church nonprofit owns about 35 acres (including their own gun shooting range area) he has invited anyone interested in the Cooperative to come live and work there and decide how to use it to teach independent living. He isn't into politics but just wants to grow solutions through the cooperative where you invest and manage resources directly and democratically.

Bret is more Libertarian but doesn't share Christian faith as the Constitutionalists tend to invoke. I would like to know how Sen. Paul might respond to this idea of supporting education in Constitutional govt and health care cooperatives to democratize districts to be self governing.

Is there a local college near you that might support a 2 year associate degree or internship for credits? I think there is an alternative college on the East coast that allows students to design their own degree plan by consulting with their staff and connecting it to real outreach and experience as part of the education. When you finish your program you ring the bell. Would you and your parents be open to ideas for collaborating on designing a college program for you?

I live by Noel, Mo. I have 43 acres and I don't kill for sport just survival.

Don is more into natural green living and socializing the costs of health care without losing the democratic liberty of personal ownership and management to govt.

The hog hunting would be at other sites, not at his location.

A different friend Steve wants to set up a farm for hunting hogs and processing meat, but he hasn't made any plans where to look for land much less raise money.

The man I know who has land around Fredericksburg is part of the Latino Coalition that is Conservative.

The family I know raising two sons Conservative plans to buy land and move West. But not that far out.

The places with hogs destroying ranches are closer to East Texas where these hogs came in from Arkansas.

I also heard about a nonprofit in Arkansas that has land to set up sustainable farming.

Don's acreage in Splendora north of Kingwood is focused so far on the health care cooperative, and started planning for the farming and gardening right when the pandemic shutdowns hit.

If Confederate Soldier or anyone else here is interested in starting there, where there is already housing available for room and board for anyone who wants to visit or move there to work and live. We want to use that training to build co-op sites elsewhere, such as helping my friend Steve find and buy land for a hog farm either around Dallas or maybe closer to the Border.

The meat is not worth eating which is why they would render them into lye soap. As long as there is a police state, a drug war and a war on terror there is no freedom or liberty in the USA.

Many people, like the Mexicans, are able to cull the meat for both food and other products. Either way it doesn't need to go to waste and can create jobs and ways of feeding people.

My friend Steve even likes the idea of making his dream farm into a place for pitbull rescues and training dogs to hunt dogs. So he can create jobs solving several problems with both dangerous dogs and hogs to stop attacks, while creating much needed jobs for immigrant workers or ex inmates who could work on land in exchange for shares in ownership.

Why not have workers trained to run and manage their own hog farms instead of gangs running crime through sanctuary cities.

Confederate Soldier What kind of work do you do on your farm? Have the Trump tariff and bailout policies or the issues of organic and environmental conservation affected the farm business and operations where you are?

Normally many folks don't want to deal with animal husbandry that are in gangs..

 

[Moonglow]

So a bit of a backstory on my screen name.

It's almost an inside joke to some... My parents, and their parents, all the way back to 1732 were Pennsylvanians,, every damn bit of them. I was the first Southern born child in the history of my family, and I was raised in the heart of the Confederacy, Culpeper County Virginia. Since then, I have lived in West Virginia and now Kentucky, and am hoping to move either further down South when I get the chance.

Hey my boyfriend's dad was a do it yourselfer from PA. He still has family he used to visit up there for reunions till he quit driving that far.

I have friends starting their own cooperative township in Splendora, based on growing food on 3-5 acres of land they just cleared. The church based nonprofit runs and trains people in managing their own health care cooperatives at cost to cut out corporate and govt middlemen and contract directly through nonprofit associations.

If you want to come visit Texas, or set up a 3 to 12 month paid internship, I can introduce you to the team. If you can teach us how to farm and best use the blank land that is ready to go, that could be your job with the cooperative, while Bret (the Libertarian lawyer) handles all the nonprofit licensing and contracts so we can legally do whatever we want as a church based program. And Don the founder trains us in all the health care aspects based on over 30 years of R&D.

I would like to set up internships with Ted Cruz or Dan Crenshaw (or also SJLee and Lizzie Fletcher who are Democrats) to study the ability of Cooperatives to separate prochoice and prolife tax funding to solve political conflicts over health care.

Would you like to contact your KY Senator Paul Rand who supports medical associations? And see if we could set up a college level program and internship for you? You could study and work with the nonprofit Cooperative in Texas, then we would help you replicate it in KY.

I would be willing to intern on the legal and legislative policies, in order to go through the same process Don and Bret went through in TX, and make that available in other states.

But just to work on developing the Cooperative farm where the residents decide democratically how to apply their own resources and manage their own economy, are you interested in that?

If you just want to play with guns, go visit two or three ranches and shoot wild hogs. I can ask some friends if you want to come visit.

I don't own land, but I know places you could go hog hunting. Don's church nonprofit owns about 35 acres (including their own gun shooting range area) he has invited anyone interested in the Cooperative to come live and work there and decide how to use it to teach independent living. He isn't into politics but just wants to grow solutions through the cooperative where you invest and manage resources directly and democratically.

Bret is more Libertarian but doesn't share Christian faith as the Constitutionalists tend to invoke. I would like to know how Sen. Paul might respond to this idea of supporting education in Constitutional govt and health care cooperatives to democratize districts to be self governing.

Is there a local college near you that might support a 2 year associate degree or internship for credits? I think there is an alternative college on the East coast that allows students to design their own degree plan by consulting with their staff and connecting it to real outreach and experience as part of the education. When you finish your program you ring the bell. Would you and your parents be open to ideas for collaborating on designing a college program for you?

I live by Noel, Mo. I have 43 acres and I don't kill for sport just survival.

Don is more into natural green living and socializing the costs of health care without losing the democratic liberty of personal ownership and management to govt.

The hog hunting would be at other sites, not at his location.

A different friend Steve wants to set up a farm for hunting hogs and processing meat, but he hasn't made any plans where to look for land much less raise money.

The man I know who has land around Fredericksburg is part of the Latino Coalition that is Conservative.

The family I know raising two sons Conservative plans to buy land and move West. But not that far out.

The places with hogs destroying ranches are closer to East Texas where these hogs came in from Arkansas.

I also heard about a nonprofit in Arkansas that has land to set up sustainable farming.

Don's acreage in Splendora north of Kingwood is focused so far on the health care cooperative, and started planning for the farming and gardening right when the pandemic shutdowns hit.

If Confederate Soldier or anyone else here is interested in starting there, where there is already housing available for room and board for anyone who wants to visit or move there to work and live. We want to use that training to build co-op sites elsewhere, such as helping my friend Steve find and buy land for a hog farm either around Dallas or maybe closer to the Border.

The meat is not worth eating which is why they would render them into lye soap. As long as there is a police state, a drug war and a war on terror there is no freedom or liberty in the USA.

I beg to differ. As long as you do not take a really big hog, the meat is absolutely delicious. At least the meat from the hogs I have killed in south Georgia si.

I do hunt. For both sport and for food. And see nothing wrong with it. I am helping keep things balance and certainly doing service for local farmers.

I am not physically capable of hunting much anymore and prefer fishing.

 

[WinterBorn]

You're flag is racist- just an FYI- but, sfw- I love the Stars and Stripes myself- especially on top of the General Lee-

Actually, the flag is history.

So is this:

View attachment 477815

German history.

World history.

You are right. History is history. Good or bad.

I agree with, as far as history goes. But there were a lot of years in which domestic terrorists used the symbol to keep a segment of the population in line. Both the overt terrorist acts and the threat of more of those acts created a legacy for that piece of history.

We are supposed to learn from history, not pay for it.

When a symbol is used to terrify a specific segment of the population, and many people of authority ignored the issues, it changes the way the symbol is perceived.

You are not having to pay for it. But how many think that flag that has caused so much trouble is the flag of the Confederate States?

Yes, the Confederacy is history. But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity.


View attachment 477877

Yes and No WinterBorn
This is not an exclusive monopoly.
We do have to be careful and considerate but that does not mean judging and punishing people for our differences in cultural meaning and perspective.

The WAP video upset a lot of people, but not everyone agreed. Dissenters can turn off the Grammy's and not support that sector of the music industry.

You can wave your own flag and teach your interpretation of these symbols.

But you cannot expect to impose your interpretation as the "dominant mandate everyone must follow" without becoming the thought police you are fighting against.

I am not imposing my interpretation on anyone. Just explaining why the waving of the battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia is prone to incite hostile feelings in some.

In the old days? 30, 40 years ago. . . the left liked to offend folks, they were never worried about folks feelings. This is America, grow up and be responsible for your own damn feelings.

If you can't control your feelings? You are a child and had lousy parenting and schooling.

I am all grown up, thanks. I am also responsible for my own damn feelings. No problem.

I have control over my feelings. I am not a child. And I had excellent parents and good schooling.




But thanks for your concern.

Great. . . so stop white knighting for folks, and let anyone say anything they want, and wave any flag they want.

Freedom, what a concept?

I am only responsible for what I say. I am not responsible for your misinterpretation of what I say.

Can you please point out where I said people should not be allowed to wave any flag they want?

You are telling the forum, when others use a flag, what their intentions are. . . by the reactions on-lookers have.

"But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity."

This, of course, is wrong.

The intentions of those using the symbol, belong to the person using the symbol.

Just the same as. . . If I made the claim that you are calling every person that waves the American Flag a white supremacist, even though this is clearly something you have never written? That would be false. So I have no right to impute upon you something you have never said or written. . . yet you are in this thread imputing motive on folks by the way their use of a symbol makes others feel.

That is ridiculous.

How others feel about the use of a symbol? That is on them.

The only thing that matters is what a person says about the use of that symbol.

All of the times folks in various states demanded that the Battle flag of Virginia be taken out of the State Capitol flags? All of those instances were patently ridiculous. . . as none of those instances had anything at all to do with slavery, nothing. It was purely a political move by the left and the federalists grasp for more power.

That had to do with depressing Southern Heritage.

I have not discussed the intent of those waving the flag. I have discussed why there are those who would feel a certain way about those who wave that flag. And that they have good reason to feel that way. If your parents, grandparents, and community were terrorized by people waving that battle flag of northern Virginia, it would tend to stick with you.

 

[MisterBeale]

You're flag is racist- just an FYI- but, sfw- I love the Stars and Stripes myself- especially on top of the General Lee-

Actually, the flag is history.

So is this:

View attachment 477815

German history.

World history.

You are right. History is history. Good or bad.

I agree with, as far as history goes. But there were a lot of years in which domestic terrorists used the symbol to keep a segment of the population in line. Both the overt terrorist acts and the threat of more of those acts created a legacy for that piece of history.

We are supposed to learn from history, not pay for it.

When a symbol is used to terrify a specific segment of the population, and many people of authority ignored the issues, it changes the way the symbol is perceived.

You are not having to pay for it. But how many think that flag that has caused so much trouble is the flag of the Confederate States?

Yes, the Confederacy is history. But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity.


View attachment 477877

Yes and No WinterBorn
This is not an exclusive monopoly.
We do have to be careful and considerate but that does not mean judging and punishing people for our differences in cultural meaning and perspective.

The WAP video upset a lot of people, but not everyone agreed. Dissenters can turn off the Grammy's and not support that sector of the music industry.

You can wave your own flag and teach your interpretation of these symbols.

But you cannot expect to impose your interpretation as the "dominant mandate everyone must follow" without becoming the thought police you are fighting against.

I am not imposing my interpretation on anyone. Just explaining why the waving of the battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia is prone to incite hostile feelings in some.

In the old days? 30, 40 years ago. . . the left liked to offend folks, they were never worried about folks feelings. This is America, grow up and be responsible for your own damn feelings.

If you can't control your feelings? You are a child and had lousy parenting and schooling.

I am all grown up, thanks. I am also responsible for my own damn feelings. No problem.

I have control over my feelings. I am not a child. And I had excellent parents and good schooling.




But thanks for your concern.

Great. . . so stop white knighting for folks, and let anyone say anything they want, and wave any flag they want.

Freedom, what a concept?

I am only responsible for what I say. I am not responsible for your misinterpretation of what I say.

Can you please point out where I said people should not be allowed to wave any flag they want?

You are telling the forum, when others use a flag, what their intentions are. . . by the reactions on-lookers have.

"But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity."

This, of course, is wrong.

The intentions of those using the symbol, belong to the person using the symbol.

Just the same as. . . If I made the claim that you are calling every person that waves the American Flag a white supremacist, even though this is clearly something you have never written? That would be false. So I have no right to impute upon you something you have never said or written. . . yet you are in this thread imputing motive on folks by the way their use of a symbol makes others feel.

That is ridiculous.

How others feel about the use of a symbol? That is on them.

The only thing that matters is what a person says about the use of that symbol.

All of the times folks in various states demanded that the Battle flag of Virginia be taken out of the State Capitol flags? All of those instances were patently ridiculous. . . as none of those instances had anything at all to do with slavery, nothing. It was purely a political move by the left and the federalists grasp for more power.

That had to do with depressing Southern Heritage.

I have not discussed the intent of those waving the flag. I have discussed why there are those who would feel a certain way about those who wave that flag. And that they have good reason to feel that way. If your parents, grandparents, and community were terrorized by people waving that battle flag of northern Virginia, it would tend to stick with you.

So you are telling me how I should feel now? Just like the mass media and schools tell the minorities here how they should feel. Nice. And you think these elite oligarchs are giving them "good reason," to feel that way, huh?

I had ancestors that were terrorized by this flag.

In fact, under this flag, this whole slave mess and "terror," was started in the first place. . . can we move to ban this flag world wide now?

If not? Then I hope you can finally identify why your propaganda sounds, just like it is. . . propaganda.

 

[WinterBorn]

You're flag is racist- just an FYI- but, sfw- I love the Stars and Stripes myself- especially on top of the General Lee-

Actually, the flag is history.

So is this:

View attachment 477815

German history.

World history.

You are right. History is history. Good or bad.

I agree with, as far as history goes. But there were a lot of years in which domestic terrorists used the symbol to keep a segment of the population in line. Both the overt terrorist acts and the threat of more of those acts created a legacy for that piece of history.

We are supposed to learn from history, not pay for it.

When a symbol is used to terrify a specific segment of the population, and many people of authority ignored the issues, it changes the way the symbol is perceived.

You are not having to pay for it. But how many think that flag that has caused so much trouble is the flag of the Confederate States?

Yes, the Confederacy is history. But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity.


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Yes and No WinterBorn
This is not an exclusive monopoly.
We do have to be careful and considerate but that does not mean judging and punishing people for our differences in cultural meaning and perspective.

The WAP video upset a lot of people, but not everyone agreed. Dissenters can turn off the Grammy's and not support that sector of the music industry.

You can wave your own flag and teach your interpretation of these symbols.

But you cannot expect to impose your interpretation as the "dominant mandate everyone must follow" without becoming the thought police you are fighting against.

I am not imposing my interpretation on anyone. Just explaining why the waving of the battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia is prone to incite hostile feelings in some.

In the old days? 30, 40 years ago. . . the left liked to offend folks, they were never worried about folks feelings. This is America, grow up and be responsible for your own damn feelings.

If you can't control your feelings? You are a child and had lousy parenting and schooling.

I am all grown up, thanks. I am also responsible for my own damn feelings. No problem.

I have control over my feelings. I am not a child. And I had excellent parents and good schooling.




But thanks for your concern.

Great. . . so stop white knighting for folks, and let anyone say anything they want, and wave any flag they want.

Freedom, what a concept?

I am only responsible for what I say. I am not responsible for your misinterpretation of what I say.

Can you please point out where I said people should not be allowed to wave any flag they want?

You are telling the forum, when others use a flag, what their intentions are. . . by the reactions on-lookers have.

"But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity."

This, of course, is wrong.

The intentions of those using the symbol, belong to the person using the symbol.

Just the same as. . . If I made the claim that you are calling every person that waves the American Flag a white supremacist, even though this is clearly something you have never written? That would be false. So I have no right to impute upon you something you have never said or written. . . yet you are in this thread imputing motive on folks by the way their use of a symbol makes others feel.

That is ridiculous.

How others feel about the use of a symbol? That is on them.

The only thing that matters is what a person says about the use of that symbol.

All of the times folks in various states demanded that the Battle flag of Virginia be taken out of the State Capitol flags? All of those instances were patently ridiculous. . . as none of those instances had anything at all to do with slavery, nothing. It was purely a political move by the left and the federalists grasp for more power.

That had to do with depressing Southern Heritage.

I have not discussed the intent of those waving the flag. I have discussed why there are those who would feel a certain way about those who wave that flag. And that they have good reason to feel that way. If your parents, grandparents, and community were terrorized by people waving that battle flag of northern Virginia, it would tend to stick with you.

So you are telling me how I should feel now? Just like the mass media and schools tell the minorities here how they should feel. Nice. And you think these elite oligarchs are giving them "good reason," to feel that way, huh?

I had ancestors that were terrorized by this flag.

In fact, under this flag, this whole slave mess and "terror," was started in the first place. . . can we move to ban this flag world wide now?

If not? Then I hope you can finally identify why your propaganda sounds, just like it is. . . propaganda.

I am not telling you anything about how you should feel.

As far as your ancestors, were you there and saw it? Did you see fear in your father's eyes from the terrorist acts?

You have tried to twist what I have said every way you can, and then accuse me of propaganda. I have not spouted propaganda at all. Just the explanation that there are people for whom the battle flag of northern Virginia was a symbol used by men who terrorized them and their families. Not only that, the authorities often aided in the terrorism. And these terrorist acts were not in another country or hundreds of years ago. They were in THIS country and in my lifetime.

 

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You're flag is racist- just an FYI- but, sfw- I love the Stars and Stripes myself- especially on top of the General Lee-

Actually, the flag is history.

So is this:

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German history.

World history.

You are right. History is history. Good or bad.

I agree with, as far as history goes. But there were a lot of years in which domestic terrorists used the symbol to keep a segment of the population in line. Both the overt terrorist acts and the threat of more of those acts created a legacy for that piece of history.

We are supposed to learn from history, not pay for it.

When a symbol is used to terrify a specific segment of the population, and many people of authority ignored the issues, it changes the way the symbol is perceived.

You are not having to pay for it. But how many think that flag that has caused so much trouble is the flag of the Confederate States?

Yes, the Confederacy is history. But to wave the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia around like it means something, when that meaning has been co-opted by a couple of generations of domestic terrorists is insanity.


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Yes and No WinterBorn
This is not an exclusive monopoly.
We do have to be careful and considerate but that does not mean judging and punishing people for our differences in cultural meaning and perspective.

The WAP video upset a lot of people, but not everyone agreed. Dissenters can turn off the Grammy's and not support that sector of the music industry.

You can wave your own flag and teach your interpretation of these symbols.

But you cannot expect to impose your interpretation as the "dominant mandate everyone must follow" without becoming the thought police you are fighting against.

I am not imposing my interpretation on anyone. Just explaining why the waving of the battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia is prone to incite hostile feelings in some.

Hey WinterBorn
What if we explain BOTH reactions the same way you did above ^

When people on the left complain the Dixie and Confederate culture and symbolism incites hostile feelings, that also applies to the "PC and woke culture" that invokes hostile feelings towards oppressive "fascist regimes that punished free speech".

You may not mean anything of the sort, as your whole point is to be against oppressive discrimination that subjugated people demeaned as a class.
Likewise, the Confederate historians and Southern patriots also seek freedom and denounce what they deem to be suppression of that. As Confederate Soldier also identifies himself as "not a racist and never will be." Clearly he does not intend any such message or appearance.

You also are not trying to impose on others.

However, similar to how you pointed out that hostile reactions are still going to get triggered, even without that intent, the same applies to you and others who respond with this criticism or even friendly advice. It is still going to trigger reactions because of "association with fascist tactics."

I just realized both sides trigger each other the same way "even if you don't have any such intention" of either racism/fascism.

You pretty much explained how people on both sides feel.