What's so scary about theocracy?

[IndependantAce]

In many ways theocratic countries are arguably more stable the whole; with lower crime rates and a stronger sense of social cohesion.

Democratic and capitalist countries in which social cohesion breaks down due to individualism taken to the extreme, and morality is abandoned in favor of slavery to the self, likely eventually descend into anarchy; Rome may have fallen to barbarians due to becoming over-saturated with material luxury, leading to mankind giving into it's animal nature and becoming suspectable to subversion by those with more temporal power. And if America's economy collapses due to our overconsumption, we may eventually likewise be conquered and tamed by China or Russia.

While America's founders believed individual freedom from the federal government, they didn't idolize "freedom" just for the sake of "freedom", or unrestricted freedom as the pinnacle of human aspiration. In reality though "freedom" is what the devil and his minions idolize above anything else, as temporal freedom is simply the power to pursue one's lusts and desires for destruction unrestricted, much as the evil Marquis de Sade is known as the "freest spirit" whoever lived, total freedom is nothing more than nihilism and social depravity, from obseity being promoted as a norm, to the consumerism of sex, toward the fetishism of "science and technology" and it's false promises of saving us from our own vices.

Between theocracy and and a state of depravity in which the most base and unrestrained animal instincts being the only "morality" that there is, theocracy seems historically more successful at keeping a nation from consuming itself from within.

 

[Jack4jill]

Iran, ISIS, and Israel.

/thread.

 

[IndependantAce]

Iran, ISIS, and Israel.

/thread.

Why is that scarier than anarchy?

Even in a theocracy one doesn't have much to fear so long as they comply with the social order; in anarchy one is just another animal in a jungle constantly having to look over one's shoulder out of fear of being harmed.

Women in the West for example are likely more prone to being victims of sexual abuse or exploitation by strangers than they are even in Muslim countries.

 

[Jack4jill]

Iran, ISIS, and Israel.

/thread.

Why is that scarier than anarchy?

Even in a theocracy one doesn't have much to fear so long as they comply with the social order; in anarchy one is just another animal in a jungle constantly having to look over one's shoulder out of fear of being harmed.

Women in the West for example are likely more prone to being victims of sexual abuse or exploitation by strangers than they are even in Muslim countries.

 

[Timmy]

Can we get an example of these stable countries ?

 

[there4eyeM]

As long as one is a believer, no system is scary.

 

[Asclepias]

In many ways theocratic countries are arguably more stable the whole; with lower crime rates and a stronger sense of social cohesion.

Democratic and capitalist countries in which social cohesion breaks down due to individualism taken to the extreme, and morality is abandoned in favor of slavery to the self, likely eventually descend into anarchy; Rome may have fallen to barbarians due to becoming over-saturated with material luxury, leading to mankind giving into it's animal nature and becoming suspectable to subversion by those with more temporal power. And if America's economy collapses due to our overconsumption, we may eventually likewise be conquered and tamed by China or Russia.

While America's founders believed individual freedom from the federal government, they didn't idolize "freedom" just for the sake of "freedom", or unrestricted freedom as the pinnacle of human aspiration. In reality though "freedom" is what the devil and his minions idolize above anything else, as temporal freedom is simply the power to pursue one's lusts and desires for destruction unrestricted, much as the evil Marquis de Sade is known as the "freest spirit" whoever lived, total freedom is nothing more than nihilism and social depravity, from obseity being promoted as a norm, to the consumerism of sex, toward the fetishism of "science and technology" and it's false promises of saving us from our own vices.

Between theocracy and and a state of depravity in which the most base and unrestrained animal instincts being the only "morality" that there is, theocracy seems historically more successful at keeping a nation from consuming itself from within.

I bet the people that wrote the bible felt exactly like you do. Theocracies are inherently unstable and destined to fail to advance.

 

[IndependantAce]

Can we get an example of these stable countries ?

Secular states such as Nazi Germany and Communist Russia are responsible for histories worst genocides rather than states governed by traditional religion.

"Freedom fetishism" likely leads to anarchy, and eventually leads toward secular totalitarianism when people become to weak to govern themselves.

 

[MACAULAY]

I hope the O. P. will stay away from the choir boys.

 

[Contumacious]

In many ways theocratic countries are arguably more stable the whole; with lower crime rates and a stronger sense of social cohesion.

Democratic and capitalist countries in which social cohesion breaks down due to individualism taken to the extreme, and morality is abandoned in favor of slavery to the self, likely eventually descend into anarchy; Rome may have fallen to barbarians due to becoming over-saturated with material luxury, leading to mankind giving into it's animal nature and becoming suspectable to subversion by those with more temporal power. And if America's economy collapses due to our overconsumption, we may eventually likewise be conquered and tamed by China or Russia.

While America's founders believed individual freedom from the federal government, they didn't idolize "freedom" just for the sake of "freedom", or unrestricted freedom as the pinnacle of human aspiration. In reality though "freedom" is what the devil and his minions idolize above anything else, as temporal freedom is simply the power to pursue one's lusts and desires for destruction unrestricted, much as the evil Marquis de Sade is known as the "freest spirit" whoever lived, total freedom is nothing more than nihilism and social depravity, from obseity being promoted as a norm, to the consumerism of sex, toward the fetishism of "science and technology" and it's false promises of saving us from our own vices.

Between theocracy and and a state of depravity in which the most base and unrestrained animal instincts being the only "morality" that there is, theocracy seems historically more successful at keeping a nation from consuming itself from within.

Move to Iran , Texas, the Dakotas , Israel or any other theocratic shithole, and then, and only then, repost.

 

[Asclepias]

Can we get an example of these stable countries ?

Secular states such as Nazi Germany and Communist Russia are responsible for histories worst genocides rather than states governed by traditional religion.

"Freedom fetishism" likely leads to anarchy, and eventually leads toward secular totalitarianism when people become to weak to govern themselves.

What countries are governed by religions traditional or otherwise?

 

[Asclepias]

Looks like only 3 Iran, isreal, and Vatican city. Not exactly compelling evidence of your theory OP.

 

[there4eyeM]

Israel is a theocracy? How can the U.S. constitutionally aid a religion?

 

[Contumacious]

Israel is a theocracy? How can the U.S. constitutionally aid a religion?

When Truman recognized Israel he crossed out the words Jewish State

But we are being governed by a continuing criminal enterprise, so your question is irrelevant.

 

[Jack4jill]

Israel is a theocracy? How can the U.S. constitutionally aid a religion?

It aids lots of religions, it just "establish" one.

 

[there4eyeM]

Israel is a theocracy? How can the U.S. constitutionally aid a religion?

When Truman recognized Israel he crossed out the words Jewish State

I can understand why he would do that.
Does his crossing out the words mean Israel is, indeed, not a state run by and for a religion?

 

[Jack4jill]

Israel is a theocracy? How can the U.S. constitutionally aid a religion?

When Truman recognized Israel he crossed out the words Jewish State

But we are being governed by a continuing criminal enterprise, so your question is irrelevant.

Someone must have forgotten to tell the Israelis.

 

[Contumacious]

Israel is a theocracy? How can the U.S. constitutionally aid a religion?

When Truman recognized Israel he crossed out the words Jewish State

I can understand why he would do that.
Does his crossing out the words mean Israel is, indeed, not a state run by and for a religion?

He didn't give a shit.

He was in a tight race against Dewey - he just wanted the $2,000,000 dollars that Ben Gurion promised and the Jewish vote.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The OP notes its own idiocy in a question and does not deserve further comment.

 

[there4eyeM]

"He didn't give a shit.
He was in a tight race against Dewey - he just wanted the $2,000,000 dollars that Ben Gurion promised and the Jewish vote."

That's high pay for simple editing.