What's a conservative way to address healthcare and insurance costs?

[sparky]

maybe addressing the disease vs symptom would be more a conservative avenue.....? ~S~

 

[cnm]

IMHO.....It's the same as the fix for student loans - get the .gov out of the health care business.

Aah. The 'die quickly' model.

Very MAGAt.

 

[1srelluc]

Aah. The 'die quickly' model.

Very MAGAt.

Oh the Noes!....Death Panels!

 

[cnm]

wutz your view on single payer relluc?......~S~

Non starter.

Too civilised, too international by half, not exceptional enough.

And obviously also without experience of it.

 

[braalian]

I won't deny that "end of life" procedure costs are a big problem.....I mean does a 90 year-old really need a internal defibrillator?

Cost of defibrillator insertion or replacement by state | Sidecar Health

DEFIBRILLATOR INSERTION OR REPLACEMENT procedure cash costs range between $39,328 and $64,729 depending on the type of care facility and state

cost.sidecarhealth.com

I can hear you now going on about "death panels".

That’s a valid debate, but it’s no where near the reason healthcare is so expensive

There’s a huge layer of bureaucracy in healthcare that is simply office workers diddling away at cushy office jobs that do nothing. And they protect themselves and their inessential jobs cause they like the paycheck

Corruption and kickbacks in the medical supply business. There’s no earthly reason a plastic graduated cylinder needs to cost whatever outrageous price it is a piece.

Where I work we have to use “official” medical supply sterile water to fill resident’s CPAP machines. God only knows how much each of those cost, when a 89-cent gallon of distilled water from Walmart is 100% safe

On top of all that, patients and their families are to blame themselves for becoming so ridiculously litigious

 

[1srelluc]

That’s a valid debate, but it’s no where near the reason healthcare is so expensive

There’s a huge layer of bureaucracy in healthcare that is simply office workers diddling away at cushy office jobs that do nothing. And they protect themselves and their inessential jobs cause they like the paycheck

Corruption and kickbacks in the medical supply business. There’s no earthly reason a plastic graduated cylinder needs to cost whatever outrageous price it is a piece.

Where I work we have to use “official” medical supply sterile water to fill resident’s CPAP machines. God only knows how much each of those cost, when a 89-cent gallon of distilled water from Walmart is 100% safe

On top of all that, patients and their families are to blame themselves for becoming so ridiculously litigious

Yep, see post #8.

 

[Invisibleflash]

IMHO.....It's the same as the fix for student loans - get the .gov out of the health care business.

Government laws and policies got us here so I don't think more government policies, no matter how well intentioned, is gonna fix it.

That and Health Care Insurance should be able to be bought like car insurance, across state lines.

Let folks purchase whatever insurance product they want instead of being forced into a product designed to subsidize others.

No cure coming from reps, bub. It is not in their wheelhouse...ever. It all comes under the auspices of...if they could of...they would of.

Here is where a smidgen of socialism could work for the USA. Instead of squandering hundreds of billions of dollars on Ukraine and trillions of dollars on wasted garbage, our useless politicians could have given us a cheap, socialized healthcare plan; alongside with the standard healthcare we have in America. (The rich don't want socialized healthcare and the average person can't afford the system we have...so we need 2 systems.) People that can't afford America's unaffordable healthcare could get their appendix out before it bursts.

If they need a heart transplant, then go work 3 jobs and save up for 6 years to pay for it. The socialized plan would be for basics to keep it viable. But the American healthcare system is so greedy they don't want to lose a penny and would never accept a 2nd option. Plus, our politicians are absolute nincompoops and could never run a socialized healthcare system anyway.

 

[cnm]

Plus, our politicians are absolute nincompoops and could never run a socialized healthcare system anyway.

It's more the voters. This thread is an example. They have no experience of such a system so recoil in fear. They may catch the Euro disease or something.

 

[1srelluc]

No cure coming from reps, bub. It is not in their wheelhouse...ever. It all comes under the auspices of...if they could of...they would of.

Here is where a smidgen of socialism could work for the USA. Instead of squandering hundreds of billions of dollars on Ukraine and trillions of dollars on wasted garbage, our useless politicians could have given us a cheap, socialized healthcare plan; alongside with the standard healthcare we have in America. (The rich don't want socialized healthcare and the average person can't afford the system we have...so we need 2 systems.) People that can't afford America's unaffordable healthcare could get their appendix out before it bursts.

If they need a heart transplant, then go work 3 jobs and save up for 6 years to pay for it. The socialized plan would be for basics to keep it viable. But the American healthcare system is so greedy they don't want to lose a penny and would never accept a 2nd option. Plus, our politicians are absolute nincompoops and could never run a socialized healthcare system anyway.

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[braalian]

It’s corruption and structural inefficiencies within healthcare itself that’s the much bigger problem than insurance

Trying to figure out the “best” way to pay for a system that bloated and astronomically and artificially overpriced is a losing game

 

[cnm]

It’s corruption and structural inefficiencies within healthcare itself that’s the much bigger problem than insurance

Trying to figure out the “best” way to pay for a system that bloated and astronomically and artificially overpriced is a losing game

The insurance is the corruption and inefficiencies.

 

[braalian]

The insurance is the corruption and inefficiencies.

The overpriced, inefficient nature of healthcare delivery needs to be addressed first

 

[sparky]

On top of all that, patients and their families are to blame themselves for becoming so ridiculously litigious

It’s corruption and structural inefficiencies within healthcare itself that’s the much bigger problem than insurance

This could be a loooOOOng thread Braal........ ~S~

 

[sparky]

Unhealthy lifestyles have put a strain on our healthcare system.

aww, lemme die of something i like to do Blaster.........~S~

 

[sparky]

The insurance is the corruption and inefficiencies.

don't they own the lions share of the medical community?

~S~

 

[cnm]

The overpriced, inefficient nature of healthcare delivery needs to be addressed first

It's the insurance causing that. But I live in a single payer system where hospital treatment is 'free'.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Except people wouldn't be able to afford insurance if they actually needed it, that's the thing.

Most of our health care spending is on people over 65. Private Insurance wouldn't insure these people without a government subsidy and mandate.

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Link please.

I understand we spend a great deal on end-of-life care (30%). That is a conversation worth having.

 

[HikerGuy83]

It's the insurance causing that.

Justify your statement.

But I live in a single payer system where hospital treatment is 'free'.

Where is that?

 

[HikerGuy83]

It's the insurance causing that. But I live in a single payer system where hospital treatment is 'free'.

 

[Zincwarrior]

IMHO.....It's the same as the fix for student loans - get the .gov out of the health care business.

Government laws and policies got us here so I don't think more government policies, no matter how well intentioned, is gonna fix it.

That and Health Care Insurance should be able to be bought like car insurance, across state lines.

Let folks purchase whatever insurance product they want instead of being forced into a product designed to subsidize others.

Translation, let them die in a ditch.